[Discussion] How far would the Post TS SHs + all of their allies get at MF

[Uzumaki Macho]

In this case, MF has the same amount of firepower they had during The War of The Best.

On Luffy's side there are:

The Current SHs
The Drum Island Army
The Alabasta Army
The Skypieans and the Shandorians
The Water 7 Shipwrights
The Rolling Pirates
Hancock and the Kuja Pirates
Jinbe and the Sun Pirates
Rayleigh
The remaining WB Pirates
The Fishman Island Army
Shirahoshi
The Heart Pirates
The Providence Army
The Coliseum Fighters
The Dressrosa Army

SCENARIO 2: The Red Haired Pirates also help Luffy.
SCENARIO 3: The Revolutionary Army and The Red Haired Pirates help Luffy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy's side wins all scenarios tbh.

 

[ultraChalk]

Scen 1: Team Luffy eats.
Scen 2: Team Luffy abominates.
Scen 3: Team Luffy rapes neg diff, destroys MF, and leaves all admirals half dead.

 

[xanonymosx]

1-marine stomps them not a single admiral lvl fighter ?
2- red hairs will have 1 yonko hardly admiral lvl fighter (ben) and we dont know if shanks has a fleet like WB but he dont most likely so marine wins little easier than the actual MF war
3-dragon solo `s by just putting his foot on the battle ground Lol
but seriously adding the rev will turn the table imo

 

[A v i]

S1. Marines wins this.

S2:Team Shanks wins

S3: Marines are ****ed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't see the Marines winning mostly because of the Sea Kings. Their power is not to be underestimated.

 

[Anduril]

Scenario 1: Gang Luffy wins Extreme High diff
Scenario 2: Gang Luffy wins Mid - diff
Scenario 3: Gang Luffy shit stomps marineford!

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1-marine stomps them not a single admiral lvl fighter ?2- red hairs will have 1 yonko hardly admiral lvl fighter (ben) and we dont know if shanks has a fleet like WB but he dont most likely so marine wins little easier than the actual MF war
3-dragon solo `s by just putting his foot on the battle ground Lol
but seriously adding the rev will turn the table imo

Marco is admiral level.

 

[bajram]

scenario 1: marines win ( a bunch of fodders nothing more nothing else, adding numbers of fodders helps nothing)

scenario 2: marines win ( again marines win its not like RH pirates are stronger then the WB pirates, the WB pirates were beaten but none of the top tiers at marineford was actually dead or very bad injured except Akainu to some extent too cant say very bad injured though, to keep in mind garp wasnt even fighting)

scenario 3: not sure ( they might pull a win or not, we would have marco, shanks, ben, Dragon, Sabo, (some unknown rev Top tier), maybe jozu too and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl against Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk, and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl, it would be a though one)

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

scenario 1: marines win ( a bunch of fodders nothing more nothing else, adding numbers of fodders helps nothing)

scenario 2: marines win ( again marines win its not like RH pirates are stronger then the WB pirates, the WB pirates were beaten but none of the top tiers at marineford was actually dead or very bad injured except Akainu to some extent too cant say very bad injured though, to keep in mind garp wasnt even fighting)

scenario 3: not sure ( they might pull a win or not, we would have marco, shanks, ben, Dragon, Sabo, (some unknown rev Top tier), maybe jozu too and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl against Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk, and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl, it would be a though one)

You're forgeting that Luffy+allies have an Ancient Weapon.

 

[Love Cook]

Luffy and his friends is like a downgrade version of Whitebeard and his friends.

Luffy brings his friends from the paradise part of the ocean while Whitebeard had countless New world captains.

And it didn't ended well for Whitebeard.

Scenario 2 would be basically the same as the orginal war of the best but with a different yonkou leading them.

Only in scenario 3 I can see a win for the pirates.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Luffy and his friends is like a downgrade version of Whitebeard and his friends.

Luffy brings his friends from the paradise part of the ocean while Whitebeard had countless New world captains.

And it didn't ended well for Whitebeard.

Scenario 2 would be basically the same as the orginal war of the best but with a different yonkou leading them.

Only in scenario 3 I can see a win for the pirates.

Luffy has help from the remaining WB Pirates.

 

[Bogard]

Considering that even without all this, WB pirates would have succeeded had Ace not been played by Akainu, i suppose with this amount of great help plus the fact Shichibukais were barely helping, they would have done it even easier

 

[Anduril]

scenario 1: marines win ( a bunch of fodders nothing more nothing else, adding numbers of fodders helps nothing)

scenario 2: marines win ( again marines win its not like RH pirates are stronger then the WB pirates, the WB pirates were beaten but none of the top tiers at marineford was actually dead or very bad injured except Akainu to some extent too cant say very bad injured though, to keep in mind garp wasnt even fighting)

scenario 3: not sure ( they might pull a win or not, we would have marco, shanks, ben, Dragon, Sabo, (some unknown rev Top tier), maybe jozu too and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl against Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk, and a bunch of high tiers in M3 lvl, it would be a though one)

You understand we have the post time-skip Heart pirates, which means Law as well. So Law with sanji takes down doflamingo.
Hancock is a fodder killing machine (Perhaps some vice admirals as well) with her powers. (Since she is with the strawhats now)
Moria is useless since we have fishman as well.
Ivankov and Cavendish (Hakuba) take down kuma
And Vista+ Jozu can entertain mihawk for a while
Iron Pirate franky shogun takes care of pacifista


Which leaves 3 Admirals + Vice-admirals + Garp +Sengoku
So to fight them we have,
Luffy + Marco + Jinbei + The toy soldier + Bartolomeo + Zoro + Chinjao + Elezabelo.
+
Red Hair pirates

So basically from scenario 2 everything changes.

 

[Love Cook]

Luffy has help from the remaining WB Pirates.

That might be, but your replacing strong New world captains and crew with weak armies and individual characters.

So while you add the guys from the opening post, you're missing:

Doma, McGuy, Decalvan Brothers,Maelstrom Spider Pirates, Little Oars Jr, Whitey Bay, Elmy, Ramba, A.O, Delacuajl, Epoida, Bizarre, Islewan, Karma, Blondie, Amadob, Palms. Andre. Zodia, Hangan, Rush, Wallem, Brocca, Choi, Ninth, Agsilly, Julius, Kinga, Arthur, Pavlik, Great Michael, Baggaley, Brew, Zucca, Kechatch, Cands, Vitan, Reforte, Happygun, Sleepy, Colscon, Forliewbs and Nosgarl.

These guys were holding off the elite marines, broke through the ice with ice breaker ships, fought Vice admirals. All feats that pre skip allies can't do.

 

[xanonymosx]

Marco is admiral level.

but he lacks DC who will save them if aokiji just decides to freeze them all. no one has a DC matchs aokiji (it`s the same case as if aokiji and any other fighter with DC (mihawk,senguko....) wasnt there when WB launched that tsunami %99 of the marine would have been crushed ) so aokiji just need to launch a large wave and 95% of luffy`s allianse are done and the rest who can defend them self aginst the wave will wish if they were frozen

as for shirahoshi problem aokiji can surround MF with ice no sea no sea king he did link two islands with an ice path in the past and froze a sea king and it didnt look as if he was trying

 

[bajram]

You understand we have the post time-skip Heart pirates, which means Law as well. So Law with sanji takes down doflamingo.
Hancock is a fodder killing machine (Perhaps some vice admirals as well) with her powers. (Since she is with the strawhats now)
Moria is useless since we have fishman as well.
Ivankov and Cavendish (Hakuba) take down kuma
And Vista+ Jozu can entertain mihawk for a while
Iron Pirate franky shogun takes care of pacifista


Which leaves 3 Admirals + Vice-admirals + Garp +Sengoku
So to fight them we have,
Luffy + Marco + Jinbei + The toy soldier + Bartolomeo + Zoro + Chinjao + Elezabelo.
+
Red Hair pirates

So basically from scenario 2 everything changes.

Two admirals going out were able to change the landscape and send an island in chaos just by their crossfire, aokiji was able to freeze tow mountain sized tsunami in a matter of seconds and many other things, most of the people u listed would die in crossfire or something, so u actually think luffy,marco,jinbei,toy soldiers, bartolomeo, zoro elizabello chinjao or even all the colosseum fighters are supossed to match the 3 admirals? nice fanfic.

We had a shitton of high tiers on the m3 level and below during MF, no one of them had the guts to even think of challenging the admirals, as @Love Cook said there were all these veteran NW captains:

Doma, McGuy, Decalvan Brothers,Maelstrom Spider Pirates, Little Oars Jr, Whitey Bay, Elmy, Ramba, A.O, Delacuajl, Epoida, Bizarre, Islewan, Karma, Blondie, Amadob, Palms. Andre. Zodia, Hangan, Rush, Wallem, Brocca, Choi, Ninth, Agsilly, Julius, Kinga, Arthur, Pavlik, Great Michael, Baggaley, Brew, Zucca, Kechatch, Cands, Vitan, Reforte, Happygun, Sleepy, Colscon, Forliewbs and Nosgarl.

And the only thing they were able to match were the VA's, leave out marco and I can see Aokiji blitzing all colosseum fighters and other fighters really, u people tend to understimate the marineford, they took down the strongest crew in the world without big casualities except normal soldiers, not to forget that in the fight against luffys group and others there are like 100k elite marines and i dont think that was all the navy arsenal, I can see marines having way more soldiers than 100k, even adding shanks it would add some high tiers and most likely 2 top tiers, nothing else the only time I can see the marines not having the upper hand is adding the revolutionary army.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

EDIT: Forgot about Rayleigh, just added him to Scenario 1.

 

[Anduril]

Two admirals going out were able to change the landscape and send an island in chaos just by their crossfire, aokiji was able to freeze tow mountain sized tsunami in a matter of seconds and many other things, most of the people u listed would die in crossfire or something, so u actually think luffy,marco,jinbei,toy soldiers, bartolomeo, zoro elizabello chinjao or even all the colosseum fighters are supossed to match the 3 admirals? nice fanfic.

Two admirals fought 10 days and night to do that chaos. Luff was about to destroy a ship bigger than the entire fishman island. So luffy could bust an island in around 2 or 3 hours and reduced it to rubble.

Also Marco has shown he is capable of taking care of Kizaru. Zoro and Jinbei can take care of aokiji. The one who remains is Akainu who will fight luffy.

So as I said the first scenario will be tough.

We had a shitton of high tiers on the m3 level and below during MF, no one of them had the guts to even think of challenging the admirals, as @Love Cook said there were all these veteran NW captains:

Doma, McGuy, Decalvan Brothers,Maelstrom Spider Pirates, Little Oars Jr, Whitey Bay, Elmy, Ramba, A.O, Delacuajl, Epoida, Bizarre, Islewan, Karma, Blondie, Amadob, Palms. Andre. Zodia, Hangan, Rush, Wallem, Brocca, Choi, Ninth, Agsilly, Julius, Kinga, Arthur, Pavlik, Great Michael, Baggaley, Brew, Zucca, Kechatch, Cands, Vitan, Reforte, Happygun, Sleepy, Colscon, Forliewbs and Nosgarl.

And out of these shit tonne of M3 level none of them was able to use haoshoku or what luffy did with his Haoshoku. Nor did these shittone of M3 tier were able to achieve what luffy did during the war. Let me tell you that luffy was the first one to cross the wall and stand right in front of the 3 admirals. And none of those shittone were able to do that. Instead they were waiting for WB to bring a ship and then crossed over.

And the only thing they were able to match were the VA's, leave out marco and I can see Aokiji blitzing all colosseum fighters and other fighters really, u people tend to understimate the marineford, they took down the strongest crew in the world without big casualities except normal soldiers, not to forget that in the fight against luffys group and others there are like 100k elite marines and i dont think that was all the navy arsenal, I can see marines having way more soldiers than 100k, even adding shanks it would add some high tiers and most likely 2 top tiers, nothing else the only time I can see the marines not having the upper hand is adding the revolutionary army.

100 K elite who smashed into the floor with one Haoshoku haki burst. Imagine shasnk's mere presemce will leave a trail of marine bodies from wherever he passes and that too without putting much effort. Shanks battle used to shake the entire grandline when he fought with Mihawk stop making a fuss about climate change on PH.

Luff+Benn Beckamn = Take care of Akainu
Marco = Takes care of kizaru
Shanks can handle an old Garp and sengoku
Jinbei + Zoro = Take care of Aokiji

And we are not even considering the rest of shanks's crew. If doflamingo had an underling like vergo, you should not underestimate the underlings of a yonkou.

+ the OP has now added rayleigh too so add it yourself.

 

[bajram]

Two admirals fought 10 days and night to do that chaos. Luff was about to destroy a ship bigger than the entire fishman island. So luffy could bust an island in around 2 or 3 hours and reduced it to rubble.

Also Marco has shown he is capable of taking care of Kizaru. Zoro and Jinbei can take care of aokiji. The one who remains is Akainu who will fight luffy.

So as I said the first scenario will be tough.



And out of these shit tonne of M3 level none of them was able to use haoshoku or what luffy did with his Haoshoku. Nor did these shittone of M3 tier were able to achieve what luffy did during the war. Let me tell you that luffy was the first one to cross the wall and stand right in front of the 3 admirals. And none of those shittone were able to do that. Instead they were waiting for WB to bring a ship and then crossed over.





100 K elite who smashed into the floor with one Haoshoku haki burst. Imagine shasnk's mere presemce will leave a trail of marine bodies from wherever he passes and that too without putting much effort. Shanks battle used to shake the entire grandline when he fought with Mihawk stop making a fuss about climate change on PH.

Luff+Benn Beckamn = Take care of Akainu
Marco = Takes care of kizaru
Shanks can handle an old Garp and sengoku
Jinbei + Zoro = Take care of Aokiji

And we are not even considering the rest of shanks's crew. If doflamingo had an underling like vergo, you should not underestimate the underlings of a yonkou.

+ the OP has now added rayleigh too so add it yourself.

Im not going to discuss anymore if u actually think someone on jinbei,zoro's level can take on an admiral, when jinbei was completely fodderized by akainu, seeing how Marcos and vistas haki was considered just an irritation to akainu, and even after being beaten up by WB the guy was able to fight all WB commanders ( - Jozu) including marco and vista and was pushing them away and even being able to beat one of them even though he was outnumbered, seeing how Aokiji is almost equal to him and u actually think jinbei, zoro can take care of aokiji, what a joke the admirals are.

Im not saying im right and ur wrong but our oppinions differ so much that its unreal, continuing this discussion will take us nowhere my tier list is completely different.