How does current Madara take DSM Kabuto? (real debaters only please)

[Mrmojo8484]

Before I get this thread started, there are 2 things I want to say:

1. NO WANKING. By that I also mean don't come in here and just say £madara stomps, no diff.£

2. Please also use manga proof. Im honestly having a tough time seeing who takes this fight and good reason will away my opinion.

Let's get started.

Madara. Well...he's madara.
Meteorites, colossal susannos, secret rinnegan jutsus....hashis sm....I think his feats speak for themselves. But since we've more recently seen his abilites, I want to discuss kabuto.

The reason im stumped about this match up is HOW madara would defeat him. Since it's been a while, I'll discuss some of his abilities I could potentially see giving madara trouble.

1. Visual genjutsu immunity. This has to be a pretty big advantage. I mean...all uchihas are killers with Thur genjutsu but to have it be completely useless is crippling.

2. Immunity to physical attacks. Obviously, there won't be alot of taijutsu in this fight, but im mentioning this for another reason....Perfect Susanoo. Can he tank it with water transformation??

3. Sensory abilites. Being a sage, also with the ability to automatically gather sage chakra, his sensory abilites are top notch. Add in this snakes, which itachi commented knew exactly what they were doing, nothing is going unnoticed by kabuto.

These 3 things are the main reason I haven't decided yet.

I thought at one point madara could just 1 shot him with the meteor but a logical counter for that would be Sage Art: Inorganic Reincarnation, which brings to life any inorganic object, like earth (the ground), fill it with sage chakra and manipulate it. To achieve this, he could simply send one of his snakes to make contact.

I know Madara is in bawse mode right now, but without Izanami, I see kabuto soloing the uchiha bros.

Who takes this and why?

 

[iFlowMotion]

Well with what Ive seen in the manga Ill take Madara mid dif

 

[Zato]

Madara would win. He has way too much OP at his will.

 

[Bimbonium]

Hashirama's jutsus, like the forest bloom that puts one to sleep, and the size of his jutsus means no running away.

 

[Erebus]

I'd see say Madara takes this, lets be honest here Kabuto has DSM, but Madara also has Hashi's SM so most close quarters battles are going to be pretty much worthless, but considering the precognition of the sharingan i could safely say that Madara has a higher chance of damaging Kabuto.

Yes, as we've seen genjutsu is pretty much useless against Kabuto, no questions there.

When you say immunity to physical attacks that's stretching a thin line, i'm sure after the first few attacks Madara would notice that Kabuto can tank a lot of damage, and thus he would go for a higher DPS(Damage Per Second) attack. Like those multiple Susano'os.

Also experience will play a big role, i doubt Madara in all his knowledge would be fooled by some snakes moving around.

And plus all the renningan techs and his own arsenal of Jutsus that qualified only Hashi to beat him i'm sure he can pull of a comfortable win.

Yes, this seems biased towards Madara but that's what you asked for.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Are you being seriously?

First and foremost, If kabuto so much as touches Madara, which he will considering his entire arsenal revolves around eventually using CQC, Madara drains all his chakra and kill him. DSM won't help him because he can be drained right out of DSm, considering madara's also an SM user, collecting Senjutsu, Kabuto's sage mode isn't helping.

And, no, Kabuto won't be using hydrification considering that'd cost chakra. Chakra he can't use because it's getting drained.

Tl;dr; Madara drained stamina-horse-hashirama in a few seconds, kabuto's getting chakra drained.

EDIT: Your counter to the meteor is wrong btw :| Muki tensei requires touch. By the point that meteor is within touching range, Kabuto's dead. Furthermore, nothing suggests Muki tensei make an object 'fly' so there's nothing suggesting it can slow a falling object.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Ah...I forgot he could drain chakra.

How does madara counter sound genjutsu and sage dragon orb?

 

[VongolaX]

Well in the manga, Madara taught obito 4 powerful techniques.

Also utilizing Gedo no Justu, he can extract kabuto's soul.

Only shuushin was seen dodging it

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Are you being seriously?

First and foremost, If kabuto so much as touches Madara, which he will considering his entire arsenal revolves around eventually using CQC, Madara drains all his chakra and kill him. DSM won't help him because he can be drained right out of DSm, considering madara's also an SM user, collecting Senjutsu, Kabuto's sage mode isn't helping.

And, no, Kabuto won't be using hydrification considering that'd cost chakra. Chakra he can't use because it's getting drained.

Tl;dr; Madara drained stamina-horse-hashirama in a few seconds, kabuto's getting chakra drained.

EDIT: Your counter to the meteor is wrong btw :| Muki tensei requires touch. By the point that meteor is within touching range, Kabuto's dead. Furthermore, nothing suggests Muki tensei make an object 'fly' so there's nothing suggesting it can slow a falling object.

If im big mistaken, he can change the shape of objects. Perhaps turn it into a dome?

 

[VongolaX]

Ah...I forgot he could drain chakra.

How does madara counter sound genjutsu and sage dragon orb?

With mokuton via mayfly

 

[Tera Path]

If Kabuto uses his ''poison'' on Madara that would mean that he can't use wood style anymore.

Taijutsu is farely useless, they both have tremendous sensing skills and could both fight without eyes.
PS would only be a waste of chakra honestly, unless he would have to go on the defensive.
Water transformation could probably mean that flower tree world is also useless.........
Inorganic Reincarnation is too overpowered, just kind of controlling everything and anything. (except for trees)

I honestly just WANT to say Madara is going to win, but i have no idea how.

 

[Draphsin]

1. Visual genjutsu immunity. This has to be a pretty big advantage. I mean...all uchihas are killers with Thur genjutsu but to have it be completely useless is crippling.

Lol not crippling at all, in fact why would madara resort to genjutsu when he has much more powerful attacks that can take care of kabuto?

Genjutsu immunity is no big deal, madara has only used it once [I believe] since his revival, he doesnt need to use it against an enemy who can do very little against him.

2. Immunity to physical attacks. Obviously, there won't be alot of taijutsu in this fight, but im mentioning this for another reason....Perfect Susanoo. Can he tank it with water transformation??

The shockwave would blow kabuto to pieces if he transforms into water, as we've seen kabuto can be hit by physical attacks, the reason why he was able to regenerate was because the physical attacks were of low scale. A high scale physical attack like a PS shockwave would annihilate kabuto should he decide to transform or not.

This would be the same case for rinbo hengoku because the force of that attack was enough to knock back the bijuu, kabuto getting knocked by it would tear his body apart once again, liquefying is useless.

3. Sensory abilites. Being a sage, also with the ability to automatically gather sage chakra, his sensory abilites are top notch. Add in this snakes, which itachi commented knew exactly what they were doing, nothing is going unnoticed by kabuto.

Got to mention, kabuto starting in base gets stomped. The only way he would be able to go SM is if he transformed into a sage before the fight. Kabuto wont ever get the chance to transform into a sage during the fight, so as I said base kabuto [before DSM] gets stomped.

I thought at one point madara could just 1 shot him with the meteor but a logical counter for that would be Sage Art: Inorganic Reincarnation, which brings to life any inorganic object, like earth (the ground), fill it with sage chakra and manipulate it. To achieve this, he could simply send one of his snakes to make contact.

Not necessary,

You must be registered for see links

deal with kabuto. Kabuto can't deal with those chains with muki tensei, btw this would only work if kabuto was already a sage before the fight.

I know Madara is in bawse mode right now, but without Izanami, I see kabuto soloing the uchiha bros.

Amaterasu would've been enough to take down kabuto, but that's not the point of this thread so let's leave it.

Who takes this and why?

Madara takes it, he has the same sensory abilities that kabuto has via SM sensing & he has

You must be registered for see links

attacks. He has the gedo statue, he took on sasuke while blind, & finally he can cast juubi sized katon jutsus & without the use of

You must be registered for see links

.

Kabuto has little to nothing on madara.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

And in all honesty, im not impressed with hashis sage mode until I see some jutsu/feats from it.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Lol not crippling at all, in fact why would madara resort to genjutsu when he has much more powerful attacks that can take care of kIabuto?

Genjutsu immunity is no big deal, madara has only used it once [I believe] since his revival, he doesnt need to use it against an enemy who can do very little against him.



The shockwave would blow kabuto to pieces if he transforms into water, as we've seen kabuto can be hit by physical attacks, the reason why he was able to regenerate was because the physical attacks were of low scale. A high scale physical attack like a PS shockwave would annihilate kabuto should he decide to transform or not.

This would be the same case for rinbo hengoku because the force of that attack was enough to knock back the bijuu, kabuto getting knocked by it would tear his body apart once again, liquefying is useless.



Got to mention, kabuto starting in base gets stomped. The only way he would be able to go SM is if he transformed into a sage before the fight. Kabuto wont ever get the chance to transform into a sage during the fight, so as I said base kabuto [before DSM] gets stomped.



Not necessary,

You must be registered for see links

deal with kabuto. Kabuto can't deal with those chains with muki tensei, btw this would only work if kabuto was already a sage before the fight.



Amaterasu would've been enough to take down kabuto, but that's not the point of this thread so let's leave it.



Madara takes it, he has the same sensory abilities that kabuto has via SM sensing & he has

You must be registered for see links

attacks. He has the gedo statue, he took on sasuke while blind, & finally he can cast juubi sized katon jutsus & without the use of

You must be registered for see links

.

Kabuto has little to nothing on madara.

I know this thread isnt about the uchiha bros, but you can't be serious. He could simply use oros replacement tech.

 

[Draphsin]

I know this thread isnt about the uchiha bros, but you can't be serious. He could simply use oros replacement tech.

How so? if the chains grapple kabuto by the throat then he isnt using oral rebirth.

Not to mention rinbo hengoku/PS shockwave still blow him to pieces, juubi sized katon still roasts him, the gedo has multiple ways of attacking & sensory abilities are useless against a sensor.


EDIT: If you're talking about the uchiha bros then an ama to the face/mouth renders oral rebirth useless.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

For the most part everyone has some good points. I forgot about the chakra drain....that's killer.

But wouldn't he have to physically touch him? I mean turning into snakes and water wouldn't that be a task?

 

[Mrmojo8484]

How so? if the chains grapple kabuto by the throat then he isnt using oral rebirth.

Not to mention rinbo hengoku/PS shockwave still blow him to pieces, juubi sized katon still roasts him, the gedo has multiple ways of attacking & sensory abilities are useless against a sensor.


EDIT: If you're talking about the uchiha bros then an ama to the face/mouth renders oral rebirth useless.

Your confusing me...lol...who are you talking about?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

EMS,Edo,Alive with rinnegan, it really doesn't matter. Any Madara would shit on him.

 

[Draphsin]

Your confusing me...lol...who are you talking about?

Madara

The edit is for the uchiha bros situation.

 

[6pathofpain]

I don't know how he wouldn't win. And Itachi could solo kabuto, without protect sasuke clouding his mind and set to kill he would kill kabuto. But madara would kill him with perfect suasnoo easy honesty. Kabuto has no counter for one slash of that sword, being water won't save him, and he won't be able to heal. It destroyed mountain and trees easy, it would obliterate him. There would be nothing to heal.

But other than that kabuto could try taijutsu but with madaras sharingan and natural talent in combat I can't see kabuto standing chance in that. However madara wouldn't be able to kill him with taijutsu unless he knows rinnegans human path, then he would just take his soul with one touch.

Kabuto could try the ground morphing thing but honestly I just don't see that working on madara...like at all. Beside with rinnegan, madara might be able to see it coming since rinnegan can see chakra(just like when pain was able to see the sheild around the leaf village, and some other situations I can't remember) when kabuto sends chakra through the ground madara would see it.

The only thing I can think of that could possibly help kabuto win is that sound genjutsu and honestly I still don't expect that to last long. Kabuto doesn't really have any super strong jutsu like most of the top people. He has the white noise thing and kimmimaro's bone thing but madara has so much stuff that would just obliterate him. I honestly don't see how this is a fair fight.