How did Senju clan faced the Uchiha?

[Aditya Khatry]

Hey guys I have been thinking that even though the senju clan was powerful, I don't think they would have been able to face sharingan which can cast powerful dojutsu.

And seriously how did Hashirama(1st hokage) faced Madara's EMS and how the hell did he defeat him?

I mean sure he is strong, and his wood style is very strong but the EMS whose light never fades is much more powerful, when Itachi came to konoha he defeated kakashi easily with tsukuyomi, he even faced 3 jounins at once who were from senju, and all the members of uchiha were skilled like him,he had to retreat only because use Mangekyo put strain on his eyes becuz they were getting blind by his each use. So roughly 1 uchiha can face 3 senjus.

But Madara didn't have that problem, he could use mangekyo as much as he liked without any problem. It was also said that he even gained a much powerful and unique technique when he awakened the eternal mangekyo, so he was bound to be the most strongest.

But how in the hell did hashirama defeated him I am still wondering. Even though I am a senju fan myself and I don't like uchihas very much, still it is hard for me to believe that Hashirama defeated Madara in such a way that he couldn't recover from his injuries even after 50-60 years.

If you all have some idea about it please do share.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

the ems techniques still use up a lot of chakra and is hard for any uchiha to keep using those techs back to back in just in one fight. also madara was probably concentrating a lot of his power to control the fox during the fight.(i think)

 

[-Hades-]

Well the first question is not that hard to answer. Not all Uchihas have sharingans, and even amongst those who do, very few are so skilled as Madara, Itachi and Sasuke. And besides the one mentioned and another few all only had regular 3 tomoe sharingans.
I agree that besides the first and second hokage not all senju were so strong but as seen so far they are above a regular sharingan.
About how did Madara loose to Hashirama it is still hard to figure out... but remember that not all MS posses the same abilities, Sasuke and Itachi have the same cause they are brothers... who knows hat abilities did Madara's MS have to offer.
And also even though EMS doesn't loose its light, it still eats up allot of chakra and strains the body. And we know that Hashirama had a big chakra reserve and an actually strong chakra.
Well at least that's how i see it.

 

[Uchiha Jinchuuriki]

when itachi came to konoha, he didn't want to fight (he cared about konoha and it's peace). He went there to send a message to the village elders. So he wasn't even trying and could have killed them all regardless of using tsykomi in my book. But I agree Uchiha > Senju yeaaaa

 

[natssuu]

As Tobi said, he lost on purpose. It's up to you if you believe that or not.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Hey guys I have been thinking that even though the senju clan was powerful, I don't think they would have been able to face sharingan which can cast powerful dojutsu.

And seriously how did Hashirama(1st hokage) faced Madara's EMS and how the hell did he defeat him?

I mean sure he is strong, and his wood style is very strong but the EMS whose light never fades is much more powerful, when Itachi came to konoha he defeated kakashi easily with tsukuyomi, he even faced 3 jounins at once who were from senju, and all the members of uchiha were skilled like him,he had to retreat only because use Mangekyo put strain on his eyes becuz they were getting blind by his each use. So roughly 1 uchiha can face 3 senjus.

In general terms I'm saying that the Senju was more powerful then the Uchiha. And tobi or Madara whatever you want to call him just lost the battle it's as simple as that. Him saying other wise is just a lie.

But Madara didn't have that problem, he could use mangekyo as much as he liked without any problem. It was also said that he even gained a much powerful and unique technique when he awakened the eternal mangekyo, so he was bound to be the most strongest.

But how in the hell did hashirama defeated him I am still wondering. Even though I am a senju fan myself and I don't like uchihas very much, still it is hard for me to believe that Hashirama defeated Madara in such a way that he couldn't recover from his injuries even after 50-60 years.

If you all have some idea about it please do share.

First idk what three senju are you talking about? I don't remember him facing three senju
The senju are just as powerful as the uchiha. Not all the senju were powerful so the same applied to the uchiha all of them won't skilled with the sharingan. I mean the entire clan was destroyed by just two powerful sharingan users that should tell you that some are skilled and some aren't. And the first hokages wood release is one of the strongest elements in naruto. It actually creates a living element the closest thing to the soaps power.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

As Tobi said, he lost on purpose. It's up to you if you believe that or not.

he didnt say he lost on purpose he just said tha the main goal was to gain some of the 1st abilities. he probably really tried to get the dna from the first but just got his @ss handed to him in the process.

 

[Reborn]

Uchiha have the eyes of the Sage (passed down from the eldest son), Senju have the body of the Sage (passed down by the youngest son). They're two halvs of a whole, neither being stronger then the other, which is why I belive the Senju were able to match the Uchiha. Also comparing the rest of the Uchiha to Itachi and Madara, who took down the rest of their clan because of their superior mastery of their sharingan above any other Uchiha is overestimating the rest of the clan itself seeing as they were all taken out by the strongest of their clan, just as Hashirama and Tobirama were the strongest of the Senju. Hashirama possessed a unique kekkei genkai which allowed him supress the Kyuubi's chakra along with the other Bijuu, if you can remember Hashirama is the one who set treaties with the other Great Nations by distributing the Bijuu. Also Hashirama's fullest hasn't been seen, we've seen him in battle only once against Hiruzen and the fullest of his abilities weren't seen. We also haven't seen the extent of the EMS or do we know for a fact that Madara could even use Ama, Tsukuyomi, or Susanoo for that matter. Also the extent of Wood release has yet to be seen as well, as we know through the necklace Naruto once had Wood release was able to supress the Kyuubi, and it's safe to say that Yamato is significantly weaker the Hashirama, Yamato being related only by genetic mutation and Hashirama gaining the ability through inheritance from one of the strongest links to Sage of 6 Paths. MS is said to give one the ability to control the Kyuubi and yet Hashirama apparently had the power to control to some extent all the Bijuu. You have the strongest Senju vs. the strongest Uchiha yet nobody knows the extent of either of their powers. To say that 1 Uchiha=3 Senju is not very accurate. Itachi slautered his whole clan so him taking on three jounin isn't much of a big deal but to say that the other Uchihas were just as strong as him doesn't make to much sense, because if they were they wouldn't be dead right? Itachi and Madara exceed the limitations of ordinary Uchiha, who we, again, have never seen in combat and the standard Sharingan's jutsu are significanlty weaker then the powers of the MS. Hope that gives you some insight.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

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Uchiha have the eyes of the Sage (passed down from the eldest son), Senju have the body of the Sage (passed down by the youngest son). They're two halvs of a whole, neither being stronger then the other, which is why I belive the Senju were able to match the Uchiha. Also comparing the rest of the Uchiha to Itachi and Madara, who took down the rest of their clan because of their superior mastery of their sharingan above any other Uchiha is overestimating the rest of the clan itself seeing as they were all taken out by the strongest of their clan, just as Hashirama and Tobirama were the strongest of the Senju. Hashirama possessed a unique kekkei genkai which allowed him supress the Kyuubi's chakra along with the other Bijuu, if you can remember Hashirama is the one who set treaties with the other Great Nations by distributing the Bijuu. Also Hashirama's fullest hasn't been seen, we've seen him in battle only once against Hiruzen and the fullest of his abilities weren't seen. We also haven't seen the extent of the EMS or do we know for a fact that Madara could even use Ama, Tsukuyomi, or Susanoo for that matter. Also the extent of Wood release has yet to be seen as well, as we know through the necklace Naruto once had Wood release was able to supress the Kyuubi, and it's safe to say that Yamato is significantly weaker the Hashirama, Yamato being related only by genetic mutation and Hashirama gaining the ability through inheritance from one of the strongest links to Sage of 6 Paths. MS is said to give one the ability to control the Kyuubi and yet Hashirama apparently had the power to control to some extent all the Bijuu. You have the strongest Senju vs. the strongest Uchiha yet nobody knows the extent of either of their powers. To say that 1 Uchiha=3 Senju is not very accurate. Itachi slautered his whole clan so him taking on three jounin isn't much of a big deal but to say that the other Uchihas were just as strong as him doesn't make to much sense, because if they were they wouldn't be dead right? Itachi and Madara exceed the limitations of ordinary Uchiha, who we, again, have never seen in combat and the standard Sharingan's jutsu are significanlty weaker then the powers of the MS. Hope that gives you some insight.

Grand salute to u!!!!

 

[Frozenstein]

Uchiha have the eyes of the Sage (passed down from the eldest son), Senju have the body of the Sage (passed down by the youngest son). They're two halvs of a whole, neither being stronger then the other, which is why I belive the Senju were able to match the Uchiha. Also comparing the rest of the Uchiha to Itachi and Madara, who took down the rest of their clan because of their superior mastery of their sharingan above any other Uchiha is overestimating the rest of the clan itself seeing as they were all taken out by the strongest of their clan, just as Hashirama and Tobirama were the strongest of the Senju. Hashirama possessed a unique kekkei genkai which allowed him supress the Kyuubi's chakra along with the other Bijuu, if you can remember Hashirama is the one who set treaties with the other Great Nations by distributing the Bijuu. Also Hashirama's fullest hasn't been seen, we've seen him in battle only once against Hiruzen and the fullest of his abilities weren't seen. We also haven't seen the extent of the EMS or do we know for a fact that Madara could even use Ama, Tsukuyomi, or Susanoo for that matter. Also the extent of Wood release has yet to be seen as well, as we know through the necklace Naruto once had Wood release was able to supress the Kyuubi, and it's safe to say that Yamato is significantly weaker the Hashirama, Yamato being related only by genetic mutation and Hashirama gaining the ability through inheritance from one of the strongest links to Sage of 6 Paths. MS is said to give one the ability to control the Kyuubi and yet Hashirama apparently had the power to control to some extent all the Bijuu. You have the strongest Senju vs. the strongest Uchiha yet nobody knows the extent of either of their powers. To say that 1 Uchiha=3 Senju is not very accurate. Itachi slautered his whole clan so him taking on three jounin isn't much of a big deal but to say that the other Uchihas were just as strong as him doesn't make to much sense, because if they were they wouldn't be dead right? Itachi and Madara exceed the limitations of ordinary Uchiha, who we, again, have never seen in combat and the standard Sharingan's jutsu are significanlty weaker then the powers of the MS. Hope that gives you some insight.

agree, but when Naruto used wood?

btw use paragraphs if you write this much. it's very hard to read U_U

 

[thechosen1]

First of all, nobody here knows if EMS eats up chakra or not - it hasn't been stated yet. Secondly, still considering that Hashirama was one of the most powerful shinobi in history of Naruto, Madara stronger and smarter - we have to admit it, according to everything they've said in the manga. I'd assume that it was his plan, the long term one, that he was thinking about when he was battling Hashirama, and Hashirama, in his place, was thinking only about how to defend his village, ergo thinking narrow-minded - like a ****ing noob. The fact is, however, that Madara still lives, and Hashirama is dead and gone, along with Minato, along with the 2nd and 3rd and so on... But I still think that Madara is a ****ing noob too.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

As Tobi said, he lost on purpose. It's up to you if you believe that or not.

i think this is a lie it sounds better if you lost to say this.The first was probably the strongest kage in history so him defeating madara is just about right senju have faced uccicha throughout history and i believe they deserve to win against the senju , the senju have all had there ancestors as hokage,massacred most of the uccichas(yes i think it was bigger then danzo) they deserve there revenge vs the senju and personally no matter how much i dislike sasuke i think he will.

 

[csouvik41]

Hey guys I have been thinking that even though the senju clan was powerful, I don't think they would have been able to face sharingan which can cast powerful dojutsu.

And seriously how did Hashirama(1st hokage) faced Madara's EMS and how the hell did he defeat him?

I mean sure he is strong, and his wood style is very strong but the EMS whose light never fades is much more powerful, when Itachi came to konoha he defeated kakashi easily with tsukuyomi, he even faced 3 jounins at once who were from senju, and all the members of uchiha were skilled like him,he had to retreat only because use Mangekyo put strain on his eyes becuz they were getting blind by his each use. So roughly 1 uchiha can face 3 senjus.

But Madara didn't have that problem, he could use mangekyo as much as he liked without any problem. It was also said that he even gained a much powerful and unique technique when he awakened the eternal mangekyo, so he was bound to be the most strongest.

But how in the hell did hashirama defeated him I am still wondering. Even though I am a senju fan myself and I don't like uchihas very much, still it is hard for me to believe that Hashirama defeated Madara in such a way that he couldn't recover from his injuries even after 50-60 years.

If you all have some idea about it please do share.

I believe during the battle madara summoned the nine tails which worked toward his disadvantage......the first took control over the kyuubi and used it against madara...many may argue that madara's ems could control the kyuubi but according to me first's wood element was better at controlling nine tails than ems......

the other thing maybe that madara was more focused on hashirama's dna than the battle which lead to his defeat.

 

[alexsimpson]

well it is possible tht madera isn't a genjutsu type, because we'v never seen him use a genjutsu, and genjutsu are the most powerfull sharingan techniqs.

 

[Aditya Khatry]

friends I have noticed that many of you suppose that Only two most powerful uchihas Itachi and Madara took out the Uchiha clan by themselves, this is not fully correct, It's true that they killed the Uchiha clan, but they weren't alone, they were accompanied by the member of ANBU root, if you ask why do I say so, then remember when Madara and Danzou met with each other before Sasuke VS danzou, Madara said that it had been some years since they met not after that night< and it definetely means the night of Uchiha's destruction. And also, Danzou had sharingans in his hand so he got them during that night.

MAybe even danzo killed some of the Uchihas, and for the record Shisui Uchiha was killed by root or possible Danzo and not by Itachi, maybe he was there during Shisui's murder but he didn't do it.

 

[uzukyubi]

Senjus are quite tough as well!! See the hokages precisely first and second!! they got unique and cool techniques, powerful chakra. Did you see how danzo was having difficulty controlling hashirama's chakra?? Not saying that uchihas are not tough but still both were at same level thus came to be feared by other clans!! And madara did summon kyubi which took some real amount of chakra in return, so you see what i am trying to say, both are at, say, a same level!!

 

[Klubargutan]

kishi dont even know what to give senju as abilities, so he let that be....just say that they were like uchiha

 

[Maina Deah]

Shodai hokage is not an ordinary ninja and he belong to a strong clan. Eventhough he's dead his powers still has purpose since Orochimaru and Madara need him for their sake. Also, he can control the tailed beast. Madara is strong not because of his sharingan but he's also a skilled ninja. There's more to know about Madara and Hashirama's fight. Maybe the shodai hokage did something resulted to Madara as he said "he's just a former shell of himself" and maybe Madara discovered soemthing that's why he was able to survived after their match.

 

[csouvik41]

well it is possible tht madera isn't a genjutsu type, because we'v never seen him use a genjutsu, and genjutsu are the most powerfull sharingan techniqs.

well i don't think so.....the way madara controlled the 4th mizukage, the the three tailed jinchuriki, he surely posses some strong genjutshu......moreover, he used to control the kyubbi through genjutsu..... he also used izangi against konan which according to me is the most powerful genjutsu (as it connects illusion and reality)...

 

[Reborn]

agree, but when Naruto used wood?

btw use paragraphs if you write this much. it's very hard to read U_U

I was typing too fast I meant Yamato, and I'll remember that next time about the making seprate paragraphs, I realize people get headacs from reading long things like that (example me when I was looking for my error)