how did hiruzen beat hashirama and tobirama?

[Sageofslxpaths]

ive been reading old manga and this is really bugging me.

I'm not trying to troll just that i cant find a clear answer anywhere?

btw i don't think saying kishi did not think of this plot line where hashi is = ms madara is a proper answer.
because kishi would not have gone down the storyline knowing that hiruzen beat hashi.

 

[Silver Shine]

Troll.

 

[GhostGorilla]

lol i actually dont have any idea how the 3rd became so strong

 

[Waltz]

At Death.

 

[Summer]

I would say because oro's edo was weaker than kabuto's perfected edo. Could be close to the answer here. Plus if hiruzen did not have enma he would have gotten trampled badly.

 

[gas83091]

the kage didn't have full control of their bodies, orochimaru was controlling them.... they were simply mindless puppets which orochimaru clearly didn't know how to use to there true strength

 

[Altaneen]

I figure if Orochimaru let them control themselves like Kabuto did Madara, than they would have wrecked Hiruzen. However if Orochimaru had let them control themselves, they would have broke edo like Madara did, and Orochimaru would've "died" 3 years ago lol.

 

[orangenucklehead]

Troll.

Im sorry but didnt you just make a thread asking if Kakashi was an Uchiha?

 

[Kenpai]

Don't take that fight seriously. All you have to know is:
1. Oro is a troll
2. The kages were not at full power. Anyone who saids 3rd > 1st or 3rd > 2nd or 3rd >1st,2nd. Is crazy.
3. Death Seal rapes
4. Oro lost his arms which hampered him to his death to Sasuke.

 

[Prime Rib]

People say the reason he beat them was beccause orochimaru didnt no how to use edo technique? which is bs cause the only difference between his and kabuto is the controll they use, orochimaru bound both of them so they were mindeless zombies but kabuto allowed his edos there memories and are aware but still controlled lol

 

[gas83091]

Im sorry but didnt you just make a thread asking if Kakashi was an Uchiha?

he did, i can't believe he called you a troll :sy: his thread clearly show's he's new or a troll

 

[Draegod]

You obv havent been reading the old manga, because if you were you would of seen that it was Oru vs Sarutobi not sarutobi vs hashirama and tobirama. Oru was playing with him letting the zombies "Toy" with him. Sarutobi was losing the entire fight.

He then sealed them, because he couldnt defeat them. That is a victory thats a tie. And its worse since they weren't them selfs.

 

[Rike Senju]

Oro was fully controlling them which sucked + oro was arrogant and toying with him..which led to hiruzen using last resort RDS..no RDS would have equaled hiruzen's sure death or if oro wouldn't have been toying with him.

 

[Multiply]

Hashi and Tobirama were not in full control of their body, nor were they at full power. Hiruzen beat them mainly by plot because IMO Hashi would have solo'd him Maximum med difficulty.

 

[Floydical]

Draegod said it, Oro was letting the Kages toy with Hiruzen. He even stated it in the chapter directly. If Oro had taken it serious or let the kages freeroll on Hiruzen, the outcome would have been much different.

 

[BloodSeed]

ive been reading old manga and this is really bugging me.

I'm not trying to troll just that i cant find a clear answer anywhere?

btw i don't think saying kishi did not think of this plot line where hashi is = ms madara is a proper answer.
because kishi would not have gone down the storyline knowing that hiruzen beat hashi.

hiruzen used reapers death seal which hashirama and tobirama are not aware.

 

[Pretium]

We Never Saw His Prime, We Only Saw Him After He Had Retired!! It's Possible His Strength Could Have Been Cut Into Less Than Half Due To His Aging, I Think In His Youth He Was Super Powerful, Age Can Affect People Differently, Some People Retain More Strength Than Others, Hashi And Tobi Were Probably Old During That Fight, While Hiru Was In His Prime, It's Very Possible


Ooooh, Wait, You Mean When He Fought Orochi?? I Think It Was Because They Were Just Shells, They Were Nowhere Near Their True Power

 

[Pomieee]

I posted this the other day, was wondering the exact same thing! The answer i got was that because Oro had taken full control of them in Edo Tensei they were not fighting to anywhere near the full potential. But i think its that, combined with Hiruzen is an absolute beast

 

[Turson]

The anwer is: Oro was toying with him, he wanted to torture Hiruzen as long as possible. Did you see that fight? Hashirama catched Hiruzen with his Mokuton and left him be, instead of crushing him. Later, he uses Bringer of Darkness Genjutsu and Hiruzen is unable to protect himself. What is Oro doing? Hes punching old man, instead of slashing him with Kusanagi.

Orochimaru thought that he can play with Hiruzen without any risk. He was too cocky, and it was the main reason of his fail.

 

[Pomieee]

Okay, where were these guys on my post haha. That seems like a much more better answer!