How Danzo Obtained Shisui's right eye

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he was very far behind hiruzen
They were supposed to be equals but Hiruzen was always one step ahead.

Their relationship is very similar to Naruto and Sasuke, Neji and Lee, Kakashi and Gai or am I missing something?
 

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Nice read indeed, that Anbu and Root explanation was completely in place. I have nothing to add here, since I too believe that Danzo didn't fight Shisui to get his eye, but you could say that it might be still unproven.
 

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I do not get what you mean. Shisui was planning on solving the problem between the leaf and the uchiha with KA somehow
He said he tried to stop it, he later said danzo stole his right eye. Meaning he was in the process of using ka or he was waiting till he could use ka and danzo took advantage of this wait and took his eye
Explain the bold part.
Well your theory is good as well, I just tried to put another possibility, which I find just as likely.

Yeah Shisui would solve it by using KA to convince them (as I interpret it), and it would most likely be on itachis father? I mean if Shisui used KA on him or anyone else, and they didn't notice. If Danzo then later met with Shisui, and took his eye, this would end the jutsu, since the eye danzo has needs to be active to run KA (as we saw during kage meeting, when Ao was watching him). So it's more likely a way of controlling another individual for given amount of time. So this creates a vast amount of possible ways of stopping the coup by trying to use one of the older uchiha to convince the rest to settle down.

The other eye, as I explained, couldn't have been ready, since the time itachi used it and the time of the uchiha massacre isn't 10 years apart.

The reason I said Danzos is weaker is quite simple. The genjutsu Itachi laid upon himself did not free him from edo tenseis control. It laid a new command in his brain, which commanded him to "protect Konoha". Apparently this command was stronger than the edo tensei control, and thus itachi could protect konoha. Yes he could move freely afterwards, but in the end, his every move was to protect konoha. Why else would Itachi block Sasukes shurinken? It's not like Kabuto couldn't dodge. Itachi knew that, but his command was set. Itachi also said to sasuke that he couldn't stop, when he was hunting kabuto. His defense even stopped sasuke from stopping him. all while moving.

Danzos, which I already explained, needs to be controlled by the user. I could even imagine there is a certain range you must be within. However, Danzos didn't require eye contact, nor did it require his eye to be visible. Itachis on the other hand required eye contact, though some trigger was set in it, making this part a little tricky. Some people tend to think Itachi used KA on Kabuto. This is impossible, he used it on himself simply U_U
 
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Nice thread, though Shisui's predicament probably wasn't as simple as that. Its highly plausible that he was at a loss whether or not he showed restraint against Danzo, but fleeing was always a option, he was regarded as Shisui as the body flicker. Shinobi who tend to be proficient in a particular technique/Kekkei Genkai are only named after it if they surpass everyone else in that particular field e.g. Roshi of the Lava Release.

Using KA on Fugaku would of been the most efficient in preventing the coup, allowing Danzo to take one of his eyes seems like a fruitless endeavorer which could easily backfire.
 

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Very nice thread! you're insight is amazing man, I never would've picked up on these hints.
 

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Dear BLAZE,

I'm going to do to you what you do to me in my great threads. Dispute the "facts".



I'm going to start the same way you started the last post you gave me. I'm not saying I don't agree with the theory ideal as a whole. But the things you use as "evidence" can easily be argued against.







"...therefore using it on danzo instead will not solve this problem because he now has to wait another 10 years before he can use it"


I do not agree with this statement--I highly disbelieve that it takes SHISUI 10 years in between using the technique known as Koto Amatsukami. Not only is it an assumption, it totally goes against this manga chapter/page:





Here, Killer Bee, a shinobi from a different village acknowledges Shisui "as the most powerful genjutsu user of the Uchiha". As you've even said, "His hype is great enough that Kabuto searched for his DNA, but couldnt find it". For his fame in genjutsu to be this great, in a clan known for having the greatest genjutsu Kekkei Genkai, I highly doubt he became known for these feats only using the technique one time per eye every ten years. Even if you give him the benefit of doubt and say 10 years per eye, this would be used two times between 5-15 years old after awakening, 2 more times 16-25 years old, and then the current sinerio of once currently (on an unnamed Uchiha in the Coup) and the Eye that Danzo stole.

So you mean to tell me that Shisui became known worldwide as the greastest genjutsu user in a clan of the greatest genjutsu users only using the technique 4 times in his life?!? NO.

I believe Shisui himself was able to perform the technique more than this, because he was actually BORN with the eyes and awakened them himself. There is no way in the world he could be this renoun for the technique only using it 4 times in his life.
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"Danzo doesn't have that strength in his old age to restrain somebody like shisui "


I disagree again here.



What you dont realize, is the fact that Danzo had the element of surprise in this battle. Shisui would NOT have known Danzo's intentions to fight/kill/steal his eye (or whatever Danzo's original plan was) so he would have been open for many attacks. Most importantly, the one shown on this page:



Yup, you guessed it: Binding Curse. Same thing he used on Sasuke. This would be the GREATEST technique for Danzo to use in this situation, because the opponent doesnt even realize when the binding curse is placed on their body, as demonstrated with Sasuke. Danzo could have easily placed the binding curse mark on Shisui without him realizing that Danzo was ever up to something. And yes, he could have easily removed Shisui eye with it.

Honestly, I didnt even need to go that far. He would just need to temporarily contain shisui in order to remove one eye. As Shisui demonstrates below, its childs play surgery (he did his other eye himself in the middle of a conversation with itachi LOL):












Note: Also, lets not forget Danzo was working with Orochimaru. He could have had Senju DNA by the time he fought against Shisui, making him MUCH stronger, faster, healing, etc. It is very possible he could have taken Shisui eye in a 1 on 1 fight.
 
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as said before there are great things about this thread, but something i think is slightly important. If Shisui was in Root it means he was under Danzos . All Danzo would have to do is take the MS from Shusi while he was paralyzed. I mean dosent look like he got his ass served to him just his eye taken.
 

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as said before there are great things about this thread, but something i think is slightly important. If Shisui was in Root it means he was under Danzos . All Danzo would have to do is take the MS from Shusi while he was paralyzed. I mean dosent look like he got his ass served to him just his eye taken.


GOOOOOOOOOOOOD Point. But:

1) I'm not sure if the curse put on the tongue can be activated remotely without the shinobi "saying something secret about the root". But if it works the same way it did when he puts it directly on an opponent (like in Sasuke's Case) then its a valid point.

2) He actually DOES kinda look like he got his @$$ handed to him. He may not be critically injured, but in your link, he is visibly looking ROUGH on his arms, face, and even headband. It does look like he was just fighting from those marks on his body...
 

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Thats similar to my theory i made long back!

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Danzo could never defeat Shisui in a real 1v1. :s
 
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