didn't see the error of his ways?? Please tell me more
Also Sasuke was merely acting how any child would act if put in his position... There are just some things that you can't know what you'll do until put in that position...
Gaara isn't going to remember that right after just being born.....That's like saying Naruto knew who his parents were this whole time and remembered their last words to him; we already seen Naruto surprise he was Minato son just as we seen Gaara was surprised his mother did love him (after his Edo dad told him).
Sasuke knows what he did was wrong but as for now we don't know anything he's done to try and make up for everything besides saving Konoha in the last while Naruto, Sakura, Shikamaru, Sai, and Hinata were saving the world. Spoilers seem to point to Sasuke tracking a new Akatsuki group but I'll wait until the chapter confirms it. Gaara didn't only do things to redeem himself, he changed himself into a better person and always tries to do the right thing. He played a big part in connecting the ninjas from the 5 nations (he got them to stop fighting each other and act as true comrades, something that surprised Edo Madara when he saw them working together).
Gaara never knew love yet was loved by his uncle before his dad ordered him to try and assassinate gaara. Gaara known love and lost it same as Sasuke Sasuke just lost more people he cared about.
Are you forgetting that Gaara's uncle told Gaara he never cared for him and blames him for his sister's death? To Gaara that was all fake, none of it was real to him until his Edo father told him the truth during the war arc. Sasuke lost his mom, dad, and then Itachi (he didn't show having strong bonds with other Uchihas); Gaara lost his mom, Uncle, father, and was hated by everyone. You could say Sasuke lost his clan but he still had his village, he acted as a loyal Konoha ninja until he left; Gaara had no village as they hated him.
By that logic, all of those kills are Hagoromo's since he wasn't impartial in his original decision, and didn't let his sons work together to spread Ninshuu. As well as the fact that he didn't just seal the entire Juubi into the moon, but instead split it up into 9 chakra beasts knowing that humans are violent warmongers...
Except Hagoromo's letting Indra work with Ashura would have made a similar path since Indra though power could create peace where as Ashura thought love was the way to peace. Ashura shared his father's path to peace. You assumed every person was that way, no one should judge everyone for the actions of the bad seeds; the Bijuus were meant to help ensure peace as well. Completely different than joining a known international groups of criminals and helping them get a powerful weapon. He joined Orochimaru before than and Orochimaru killed 2 Kages, abduct kids, does experiments on man, women, and children.
Please people . Stop to minimize and ignore the sasuke's trauma and his terrible past.
Itachi Killing his own mother and father. Practically in front of his own brother Then he mentally tortures Sasuke showing the entire massacre during hours in a genjutsu. After Sasuke saw his dead parents body without can't do anything.
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Then he mentally tortures him again, years later, when Sasuke was starting to heal with the help of Team 7. Itachi come back to brutally beaten sasuke and made another brutal tsukuyomi to torture Sasuke reviving his worst trauma a point to send Sasuke in a Coma state
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Sasuke is not a bad person. Sasuke lost his entire family and it affected him very deeply…
That’s why he became rude and cold to others..
Itachi's betrayal clearly caused him to develop deep psychological scars, perhaps also a mental barrier that kept him from associating closely with anyone until he was dumped into Team 7. That would explain his drastic change in personality post massacre.
Even Hagoromo and Kakashi recognize this.
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Of course Sasuke has no reasons to be ****ed up he was only betrayed by the most loved person to him his brother at the age of 8.
Lost his entire family was tortured and grew up alone without any support.
It's just depressing.
The image of that kid laying on the floor like that, like he doesn't even know what to do with himself at that point.
The memory of his parents murder still was very fresh in his mind.
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About Sasuke's redemption.
Sasuke did not start the war. He actively opposed the war, and ultimately put it to an end saving everyone in the process.
He didn't kill anyone in the war excluding White Zetsus
Sasuke redeemed his crime like enter the Akatsuki When he helped against Kabuto, Juubi, Obito, Madara and Kaguya and brought 4 Hokages to stop the war.
Sasuke helped much more to stop the war than the Five Kages together.
After still dissipated the Mugen Tsukuyomi. Saving the humanity to become white zetsus.
Without Sasuke's participation in the War the whole world would be destroyed.
About Gaara Keep in mind Gaara killed a lot more innocent people than sasuke never had.
Sasuke in part 1 and even in part 2 until Kage arc was a very benevolent person Like he refused to Kill Naruto to get MS or innocent people during his battles
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Gaara had a numerous murders and deaths in his bag at the age of 12.
Gaara was a true cold blooded murderer and psychopath in Part 1much more worse than Sasuke in his worst state during Iron Country arc. Sasuke only killed Randoms Samurais for self defense.
Gaara killed only for fun
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Gaara even enjoyed to kill and torture people in cruel ways
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He even goes for the hospital to kill an innocent lee without any defense only because he wants wihiout any reason.
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Gaara killed without no reason anyone who was in his front:
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Shukaku isn't a Excuse
Before Yashamaru died Shukaku wasn't convincing him to kill people, after Naruto came along Shukaku wasn't either. We now know that it was always his mother's love that was protecting him in the form of a Sand shield, not the Bijuu. And like Kurama Shukaku wasn't actually that malevolent.
Gaara was doing everything of his own will.
It was he who ultimately decided that he existed to kill.
He had clearly gone insane, but that's not an excuse. Sasuke too was going off the deep end, but Sasuke never turned out as bad as Gaara.
Not only are fans comparing Sasuke to Gaara. but even GAARA compared himself to Sasuke.
His similarity to Sasuke was the reason for his obsession with him in Part 1, saying he had the same eyes; eyes that knew true pain and loneliness.
In Part 2 he directly compared himself to Sasuke, crying for him and saying that his eyes were still the way Gaara's were before.
When Gaara snapped and became insane, deciding to only live for himself and to kill, it was from Yashamaru's betrayal. This is not unlike Sasuke's feelings of betrayal from Itachi, and later Konoha, except Gaara didn't have his entire family murdered.
And even if Gaara had a worse childhood, Gaara also turned out worse. He was pretty much the most evil character in the series during the time before Naruto TnJ'd him.
The only difference was Sasuke is a main character. Rival of naruto.
Gaara was a side character.
Gaara's decline to insanity, and his conversion, was quick, while Sasuke's fall and redemption was slower. Sasuke couldn't be easily converted because he still retained a very coherent mindset, which continued to reason against Naruto's advances.
Please people . Stop to minimize and ignore the sasuke's trauma and his terrible past.
Itachi Killing his own mother and father. Practically in front of his own brother Then he mentally tortures Sasuke showing the entire massacre during hours in a genjutsu. After Sasuke saw his dead parents body without can't do anything.
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Sasuke is not a bad person. Sasuke lost his entire family and it affected him very deeply…
That’s why he became rude and cold to others..
Itachi's betrayal clearly caused him to develop deep psychological scars, perhaps also a mental barrier that kept him from associating closely with anyone until he was dumped into Team 7. That would explain his drastic change in personality post massacre.
Even Hagoromo and Kakashi recognize this.
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Of course Sasuke has no reasons to be ****ed up he was only betrayed by the most loved person to him his brother at the age of 8.
Lost his entire family was tortured and grew up alone without any support.
It's just depressing.
The image of that kid laying on the floor like that, like he doesn't even know what to do with himself at that point.
The memory of his parents murder still was very fresh in his mind.
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About Sasuke's redemption.
Sasuke did not start the war. He actively opposed the war, and ultimately put it to an end saving everyone in the process.
He didn't kill anyone in the war excluding White Zetsus
Sasuke did not start the war. He actively opposed the war, and ultimately put it to an end saving everyone in the process.
He didn't kill anyone in the war excluding White Zetsus
Sasuke redeemed his crime like enter the Akatsuki When he helped against Kabuto, Juubi, Obito, Madara and Kaguya and brought 4 Hokages to stop the war.
Sasuke helped much more to stop the war than the Five Kages together.
After still dissipated the Mugen Tsukuyomi. Saving the humanity to become white zetsus.
Without Sasuke's participation in the War the whole world would be destroyed.
About Gaara Keep in mind Gaara killed a lot more innocent people than sasuke never had.
Sasuke in part 1 and even in part 2 until Kage arc was a very benevolent person Like he refused to Kill Naruto to get MS or innocent people during his battles
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Gaara had a numerous murders and deaths in his bag at the age of 12.
Gaara was a true cold blooded murderer and psychopath in Part 1much more worse than Sasuke in his worst state during Iron Country arc. Sasuke only killed Randoms Samurais for self defense.
Gaara killed only for fun
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Gaara even enjoyed to kill and torture people in cruel ways
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He even goes for the hospital to kill an innocent lee without any defense only because he wants wihiout any reason.
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He killed wihiout any reason and motivation.
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Shukaku isn't a Excuse
Before Yashamaru died Shukaku wasn't convincing him to kill people, after Naruto came along Shukaku wasn't either. We now know that it was always his mother's love that was protecting him in the form of a Sand shield, not the Bijuu. And like Kurama Shukaku wasn't actually that malevolent.
Gaara was doing everything of his own will.
It was he who ultimately decided that he existed to kill.
He had clearly gone insane, but that's not an excuse. Sasuke too was going off the deep end, but Sasuke never turned out as bad as Gaara.
Not only are fans comparing Sasuke to Gaara. but even GAARA compared himself to Sasuke.
His similarity to Sasuke was the reason for his obsession with him in Part 1, saying he had the same eyes; eyes that knew true pain and loneliness.
In Part 2 he directly compared himself to Sasuke, crying for him and saying that his eyes were still the way Gaara's were before.
When Gaara snapped and became insane, deciding to only live for himself and to kill, it was from Yashamaru's betrayal. This is not unlike Sasuke's feelings of betrayal from Itachi, and later Konoha, except Gaara didn't have his entire family murdered.
And even if Gaara had a worse childhood, Gaara also turned out worse. He was pretty much the most evil character in the series during the time before Naruto TnJ'd him.
The only difference was Sasuke is a main character. Rival of naruto.
Gaara was a side character.
Gaara's decline to insanity, and his conversion, was quick, while Sasuke's fall and redemption was slower. Sasuke couldn't be easily converted because he still retained a very coherent mindset, which continued to reason against Naruto's advances.
the thing that takes away from the "woe is Sasuke" argument is that after Obito told Sasuke the basic truth surrounding what happened that night, Sasuke was solely responsible for every last decision and intent he had to be malevolent, especially when he repeatedly slapped away the efforts that were made by other ppl to rescue him from his lunacy. It took some doing on Naruto's part, but when Gaara was offered that same opportunity, he took it. It's got nothing to do with this person being a mc or not, and more to do with somebody taking responsibility for the choices they make and not let their struggles/issues define their life. Some of everybody had a story about being orphaned and managed to overcome it.
the thing that takes away from the "woe is Sasuke" argument is that after Obito told Sasuke the basic truth surrounding what happened that night, Sasuke was solely responsible for every last decision and intent he had to be malevolent, especially when he repeatedly slapped away the efforts that were made by other ppl to rescue him from his lunacy. It took some doing on Naruto's part, but when Gaara was offered that same opportunity, he took it. It's got nothing to do with this person being a mc or not, and more to do with somebody taking responsibility for the choices they make and not let their struggles/issues define their life. Some of everybody had a story about being orphaned and managed to overcome it.
That's nonsense and you know it. You think it's easy for an 8 year old child to walk amongst human shambles of his own family and not be affected by it? Then there is the case of familial ties. Sasuke had every right to pay back Konoha blow by blow for what happened to his family.
That's nonsense and you know it. You think it's easy for an 8 year old child to walk amongst human shambles of his own family and not be affected by it? Then there is the case of familial ties. Sasuke had every right to pay back Konoha blow by blow for what happened to his family.
Let's see, first off, Gaara had a far harsher past than Sasuke (while it sucks having your brother kill your family, I'd say being hated and feared by everyone and having your own father trying to kill you, essentially for being born, is a tad bit worse). Second, Gaara wasn't a mass murderer, he was psychotic, but all the people he killed seemed to have attacked him first.
That's nonsense and you know it. You think it's easy for an 8 year old child to walk amongst human shambles of his own family and not be affected by it? Then there is the case of familial ties. Sasuke had every right to pay back Konoha blow by blow for what happened to his family.
i'll tell you what's childish and immature. It's ppl like you that believe anything that contradicts what you want to believe as being the only truth to the point of displaying an genuine inability to welcome other ideas by writing it off as nonsense, even when it's true. None of what i posted came from an outlook on what Sasuke did or didn't have a right to. It was about ppl always wanting to throw everything Sasuke came to believe in and his actions as being 100% on Itachi. Kushina was left to deal with the fallout of her entire clan being destroyed as a little kid as well, but did she become a complete lunatic to the point of declaring that the entire world was their target, or murdering ppl in their sleep? No. She made a choice to not let it define her by channeling that energy towards something productive, same as Gaara.
While Itachi put Sasuke on the path, Sasuke made a decision to follow it. If Itachi was 100% responsible for every last thing Sasuke did in his life, then it is saying Sasuke lacked the strength of character to be in charge of his own will and not let others decide it for him. Gaara didn't pawn off the things he did after his uncle tried to kill him on other ppl. He owned every last bit of it and made his own decision to change for the sake of himself and others. All Sasuke did for the most part was play the victim and blame others for what he chose to be. It's really no one else's fault or problem that he refused to rise above it all.
i'll tell you what's childish and immature. It's ppl like you that believe anything that contradicts what you want to believe as being the only truth to the point of displaying an genuine inability to welcome other ideas by writing it off as nonsense, even when it's true. None of what i posted came from an outlook on what Sasuke did or didn't have a right to. It was about ppl always wanting to throw everything Sasuke came to believe in and his actions as being 100% on Itachi. Kushina was left to deal with the fallout of her entire clan being destroyed as a little kid as well, but did she become a complete lunatic to the point of declaring that the entire world was their target, or murdering ppl in their sleep? No. She made a choice to not let it define her by channeling that energy towards something productive, same as Gaara.
Let's see, first off, Gaara had a far harsher past than Sasuke (while it sucks having your brother kill your family, I'd say being hated and feared by everyone and having your own father trying to kill you, essentially for being born, is a tad bit worse). Second, Gaara wasn't a mass murderer, he was psychotic, but all the people he killed seemed to have attacked him first.
bold. nonsense he tried to kill helpless lee later on who wasnt a threat to him. if someone makes that argument about sasuke and the samurais he killed(self defense) am sure you would jump on that person.
bold. nonsense he tried to kill helpless lee later on who wasnt a threat to him. if someone makes that argument about sasuke and the samurais he killed(self defense) am sure you would jump on that person.
Lee had fought him, however, and that was the point. The way he was raised to think was that all fights are to death, he didn't understand why Lee would logically live after the fight. Sasuke, on the other hand, clearly displayed that he can defeat his enemies without killing them, and, unlike Gaara, wasn't raised to gain a twisted morality, he was normal and gladly welcomed insanity once given the opportunity.
i'll tell you what's childish and immature. It's ppl like you that believe anything that contradicts what you want to believe as being the only truth to the point of displaying an genuine inability to welcome other ideas by writing it off as nonsense, even when it's true. None of what i posted came from an outlook on what Sasuke did or didn't have a right to. It was about ppl always wanting to throw everything Sasuke came to believe in and his actions as being 100% on Itachi. Kushina was left to deal with the fallout of her entire clan being destroyed as a little kid as well, but did she become a complete lunatic to the point of declaring that the entire world was their target, or murdering ppl in their sleep? No. She made a choice to not let it define her by channeling that energy towards something productive, same as Gaara.
While Itachi put Sasuke on the path, Sasuke made a decision to follow it. If Itachi was 100% responsible for every last thing Sasuke did in his life, then it is saying Sasuke lacked the strength of character to be in charge of his own will and not let others decide it for him. Gaara didn't pawn off the things he did after his uncle tried to kill him on other ppl. He owned every last bit of it and made his own decision to change for the sake of himself and others. All Sasuke did for the most part was play the victim and blame others for what he chose to be. It's really no one else's fault or problem that he refused to rise above it all.
Not really. There is a thing called Reality. Note the capital R. Before I come to Sasuke; I didn't know Kushina's family was murdered, given that many Uzumaki escaped? Do you have anything to back this up? Anything at all? For all we know, she was probably an orphan, which is why Mito took her under her wing. A completely different scenario than watching the bloody remains of your family and then claiming that an orphan or as the other guy mentioned familial hatred can even be gauged on the same front. It cannot be.
I have known cases from my village where a child witnessed the slaughter of her father over money and land dispute. The men came under the blanket of the night and hacked her father to death. She was fourteen at the time and she witnessed the whole thing. Now that girl is older than this character, and guess what? She was driven insane from those images of blood flying around. She would get up from sleep and start screaming and would faint on regular basis. It took her years, and I mean years to recover from this trauma. THAT is reality.
You must have never come across any tragedy and have probably lead a sheltered life, if you believe that such indiscriminate slaughter of ones family is even on the same scale as Kushina's supposed plight, which I laughable that you even believe she had one, and Gaara's personal choice to stay within the village. Gaara had a choice to leave and get away from the hate of the village. He didn't. Self-inflicted misery. Sasuke's whole family was killed. I gave you a real life example, and you are slighting the trauma Sasuke went through? I have also seen children from war-torn regions up in the villages where America's so-called war on terror is an on-going process.
Those kids have nothing but hatred towards America, as their entire families have died in what America heinously calls "Collateral Damage". Those kids have dead eyes and they feel little or no emotion after seeing the scattered remains of their kith and kin littered across the homes. This is Reality. Not something you believe. It isn't easy forgetting something so profound, and especially, if it involves ones own life. I suggest you stop reading manga and all the crap you have filled your head with, and come down to earth and may be, read a few accounts where real people faced things along the lines of Sasuke's past. It'll prove to be an enlightening experience, because no offense, you have zero grasp on human psychology.
Whatever Sasuke did was correct. Whatever Pein did was correct. Konoha needed to pay for its atrocities. Let's put a clamp on this nationalistic bearing you possess as to what is evil and what isn't, when Konoha has left no stone unturned to maintain its military power, no matter how matter how many innocents got slaughtered in the process. I don't give a damn about it. Nor is it in any way close to reality, given that nationalism has little influence in ones personal affairs. Good grief. How old are you?
Lee had fought him, however, and that was the point. The way he was raised to think was that all fights are to death, he didn't understand why Lee would logically live after the fight. Sasuke, on the other hand, clearly displayed that he can defeat his enemies without killing them, and, unlike Gaara, wasn't raised to gain a twisted morality, he was normal and gladly welcomed insanity once given the opportunity.
Not really. There is a thing called Reality. Note the capital R. Before I come to Sasuke; I didn't know Kushina's family was murdered, given that many Uzumaki escaped? Do you have anything to back this up? Anything at all? For all we know, she was probably an orphan, which is why Mito took her under her wing. A completely different scenario than watching the bloody remains of your family and then claiming that an orphan or as the other guy mentioned familial hatred can even be gauged on the same front. It cannot be.
I have known cases from my village where a child witnessed the slaughter of her father over money and land dispute. The men came under the blanket of the night and hacked her father to death. She was fourteen at the time and she witnessed the whole thing. Now that girl is older than this character, and guess what? She was driven insane from those images of blood flying around. She would get up from sleep and start screaming and would faint on regular basis. It took her years, and I mean years to recover from this trauma. THAT is reality.
You must have never come across any tragedy and have probably lead a sheltered life, if you believe that such indiscriminate slaughter of ones family is even on the same scale as Kushina's supposed plight, which I laughable that you even believe she had one, and Gaara's personal choice to stay within the village. Gaara had a choice to leave and get away from the hate of the village. He didn't. Self-inflicted misery. Sasuke's whole family was killed. I gave you a real life example, and you are slighting the trauma Sasuke went through? I have also seen children from war-torn regions up in the villages where America's so-called war on terror is an on-going process.
Those kids have nothing but hatred towards America, as their entire families have died in what America heinously calls "Collateral Damage". Those kids have dead eyes and they feel little or no emotion after seeing the scattered remains of their kith and kin littered across the homes. This is Reality. Not something you believe. It isn't easy forgetting something so profound, and especially, if it involves ones own life. I suggest you stop reading manga and all the crap you have filled your head with, and come down to earth and may be, read a few accounts where real people faced things along the lines of Sasuke's past. It'll prove to be an enlightening experience, because no offense, you have zero grasp on human psychology.
Whatever Sasuke did was correct. Whatever Pein did was correct. Konoha needed to pay for its atrocities. Let's put a clamp on this nationalistic bearing you possess as to what is evil and what isn't, when Konoha has left no stone unturned to maintain its military power, no matter how matter how many innocents got slaughtered in the process. I don't give a damn about it. Nor is it in any way close to reality, given that nationalism has little influence in ones personal affairs. Good grief. How old are you?
Ya know, you sound like a future terrorist... First off, Sasuke planned to kill everyone in Konoha, most of whom are innocent, in killing them, he'd drive other kids insane, so they could have nightmares of their parents dying every night, oh wait, no, he'd have killed the innocent children as well. Sasuke was a hypocrite and insane, he was willing to slaughter dozens of innocent people and kill his own allies for the crimes of a handful of people (me even though the Uchiha are also responsible, considering they were willing to start a civil war for ultimately petty reasons).
You Sasuke apologists are rather irritating, you say that Sasuke wanting to commit genocide and kill innocent men, women, and children over the deaths of his family (who were traitors) is justified, yet Gaara snapping, Gaara, who was hated by everyone, never knew love, saw the one person who ever loved him try to kill him, had his own father tried to kill him, had constant attempts on his life, and never slept once in his life, makes no sense. Honestly, how would a six year old, logically, survive alone in a desert waste?
Sasuke had constant chances to change his ways and return to the light, because, regardless of what he went through, it was wrong to try and make innocent people suffer for his pain. Back on point, Sasuke had multiple chances, before turning traitor he had people that cared for and wished to help him in the village, after going psycho he had people constantly reach out to him, but he swatted them all away. Gaara, on the other hand, took the first chance he got to change, and made a complete 180 and went out of his way to atone.
Also, innocents, why do you keep saying innocents? The Uchiha, regardless of what the fanboys say, we're not innocent, they were willing to start a civil war that would likely turn into a world war all because they felt snubbed (despite being one of the most, if not the most politically powerful clan in Konoha). What are you going to bring up, the Nine Tails incident? Guess what, an Uchiha was behind that. They were willing to let thousands if not millions of innocent people die for pretty petty reasons, and we're unwilling to just negotiate. With Pain, it wasn't just Konoha, what happened to Nagato's village was a world war, innocent lives were lost on all sides, including Konoha's.
Tell me this, if someone kills my father, is it justified for me to kill them, and then their whole family as well, to kill their children who had nothing to do with what their father did, in that circumstance, what makes me any better? The taking of innocent lives isn't justified, no matter how wronged you feel. Sasuke's plan was monstrous and hypocritical, I don't know why so many people try to excuse it.
