How can base Lee be harder to fight than KN0 Naruto w/army . WTF Kishi

neosmith500

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Skill and abilities. I understand what do you mean by base, just didn't equate that a drunken Lee wouldn't be base or he is? I am lost here. Help!

Yea drunk lee takes a giant dump on base lee skill-wise , a giant ass dump. Kimimaro is naturally far more skilled than base lee and has a 5 in the databook. But Drunk Lee easily outmaneuvers him with raw skill , even while he's in partial Curse mark. Drunken lee rushes Kimimaro and instantly pressures him until he tags him , curse mark Kimimaro rushes drunk lee and gets instantly negged like a novice.
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So yea , ability-wise the differnce is pretty dame huge to the point that base lee cant even be mentioned in the same sentence as even Kimimaro much less Drunk lee who laughs at Kimi.

Ah the surgery was accounted for, I’m good with it then. On another note, what do you think about a sra neji and kimmi match up

-First things first. Neji said Kidomaru was far stronger than himself and base Kimi is tiers above that. Yea it doesn't mean Kido was superior in taijutsu even w/CM2 but the fact remains that Neji can never actually win against Kimimaro who was much stronger than Kido now on to the fight.

If Kimi fights like he does in canon then it would be a nice match-up to watch. Neji's personal fighting style isn't direct like Lee's . He's a counter reaction fighter , someone who mostly opts to predict and react to incoming attacks , reacting with counter moves rather than getting caught up in his own attack.
Kimimaro has a similar style shown by the way he fights by predicting movements. But is more so to rush while still giving his enemy the first move , unlike Neji who will wait.

It cant be ignored that Kimi considered a lee weaker than 1st Gate CE1 lee to be somewat of a harder challenge than the likes of Kn0 in kishi's manga. Prelims Neji can react to and is already skilled enough to physically outperform a speed faster than wat impressed Kimimaro.
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As shown by the databook SRA Neji speed and skill-wise is above CE2 Neji who is above prelims Neji who in turn was portrayed easily above prelims Lee w/1st Gate , who is faster and sharper than SRA w/1st Gate Lee who was impressive to Kimi speed-wise. Same person who already considered base lee somewat of a moderate challenge compared to even Kn0.

So with that considered SRA Neji skill-wise should be able to hang with Kimi with both likely giving the other compliments on their fighting-style and skills just like with Lee. Kimi was willing to wait until Lee drank his sake showing how much he took pride in melee , not knwoing if it would give lee some sort of boost. He has a full 5 in the databook and was in manga noted as a true master.
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So heres how i personally think it will go. (Taijutsu Round). Skill-wise Kimi will be applying overwhelming pressure with his dances , Neji can and will dodge but will find it impossible to find a counter reactive opening to either press tenketsu or tag organs even gently. Since Kimi is far from a linear fighter , uses blades and is more skilled/faster etc. He also understands Neji's counter reactive fighting style since he uses a similar style himself which would allow him to exploit the weaknesses of said style by constantly pressuring just as he tried to do against Drunk Lee by forcing a certain dodge to lead into a trap.
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Something like this eventually happens to Neji forcing him to use his Chakra defense after Kimi outplays him. So with that base Kimi takes the Taijutsu round moderate diff. Much harder than CE 1st Gate Lee considering Kimi considered KN0 easier than a weaker version of base Lee w/o the 1st Gate.

Now after Neji uses his chakra defense Kimi would simply pressure him with bone bullets causing him to either move or block the bullets with chakra , which he wont do because thats a waste of chakra. Kimi can simultanously trail his movements while launching bullets when he evades then pick the right time to shunshin into cqc and bait an attack which would likely be 64 Palms. If Neji attempts Rotation instead then Kimi evades it , studies it then changes his pressure tactic to exploit the spinning interval , which Neji himself would see through which would ultimately promt him to attempt 64 palms. When he does Kimi will simultaneously block him and stab him. From there it's downhill until Gaara's arrives to save Neji or he dies then and there lol.

Lee mastered Ultra Instinct before Goku confirmed.

It all boils down to skill. If your speed cannot overwhelm your opponent, and your opponent is a taijutsu specialist, then you better run. Even though Lee's speed, in drunken or in base form, shouldn't be insanely above KN0 Naruto ( if it's above at all), his technique plays heavily on it.

Think of Dance Dance revolution or whatever. Does speed really matter if you always have to hit the same button over and over in the same rhythm? Nah, you can even do it with your eyes closed if you are good at the game. Now, you have to play a regular song , with arrows coming from everywhere (even if they come at a lower or equal speed).Hitting them is going to be a lot more harder than hitting the same key over and over. That's Naruto vs Lee.

Agreed , but Kn0 is 100% tiers upon tiers faster than base Lee. I dont know how skill woul allow base lee from surgery to react to Kn0's speed tho.
 
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It's similar to Killer Bee vs Sasuke in how i see it. Killer B had no trouble attacking and slicing a 3t sasuke with his unpredictable blades but he couldnt land a lariat in his V1 Hachibi cloak despite being faster than in base.


It seems in Naruto verse, unpredictability counters speed which might be why Minato called Bee a "true shinobi killer" and A told Bee has "better talent" than him, despite being known as the faster among the duo.


Same case for lee I guess.
 

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This kinda implies base or 1 gate Lee >> KN0 Naruto

We know that KN0 defeated Neji.

Yet we also know that Neji >> base or 1 gate Lee.

Huge inconsistency thats all.
 

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Kn0 Still moves and fights normally, he’s still nardo, just amped on speed and power. His moves are still pretty linear as far as how he fights and kimmi was waaaay out of those kids weight class. Drunk lee was unpredictable as f ck as even if you can read your opponent to the t, it does no good if he doesn’t even know what he’s about to do. That’s imo of course

It is not because Lee doesn' t know what he does that he is tough to predict, it' s because his movements are unusual.
Kimmimaro prediction works like yours and mine (not like the sharingan), analysis and extrapolation.Lee's drunken movements are tough to analyse, but also very tough to extrapolate his next movement.
 

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This kinda implies base or 1 gate Lee >> KN0 Naruto

We know that KN0 defeated Neji.

Yet we also know that Neji >> base or 1 gate Lee.

Huge inconsistency thats all.

Neji lost because he lets his guard down at the last moment, if he left his byakugan on he would've seen naruto underground.

He lost due to him underestimating and being too over confident, not because naruto was stronger.
 

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Well we could say Kimmi was more tired from fighting Naruto when he fought Lee but also even then I think Lee was faster than Naruto so that could have gave him a better chance to fight Kimmi than mass numbers.
 

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Well Kimimaro is Jonnin level and Naruto is still a genin. Also mire clones is less power for each.
 
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