Honest question: do people really think itachi beats JJ madara?

[griffnat13]

I've seen itachi fans say this. They might have just been trolling but no one really believes that right?

 

[DrProof]

Tsukuyomi counter? A legit one? Just asking.

 

[Young Vongola]

I hope not..

 

[Arima]

Madara stomps.

 

[Young Vongola]

Tsukuyomi counter? A legit one? Just asking.

Is that a serious question?

 

[griffnat13]

2 rinnegan + rinne sharingan wouldn't be affected and IT>tsukuyomi

 

[Loki d]

I've seen itachi fans say this. They might have just been trolling but no one really believes that right?

Itachi has Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade. However Madara is just too fast for Itachi who only has light speed reactions.

 

[DrProof]

Is that a serious question?

Yeah, I haven't seen any Madara fans actually counter Tsukuyomi. So can you tell me one you know with it's stipulations, and what not.

 

[-immortal-]

If madara gets hit with totsuka . Counter > eleborate please

What can destroy yatta > eleborate pls

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Tsukuyomi counter? A legit one? Just asking.

limbo breaks it out him. Also he can just close his eyes and rape itachi, not to mention JJ madara inhuman speed that wouldn't normally allow itachi to even have an eye contact with him if he's moving. Couple of more ways but I'll just stop since this question seems to be little stupid.

 

[DrProof]

If madara gets hit with totsuka . Counter > eleborate please

What can destroy yatta > eleborate pls

That too. You can't really counter shit like that.

limbo breaks it out him.

How? You need to be his own blood to break out of Tsukuyomi.

 

[Young Vongola]

Yeah, I haven't seen any Madara fans actually counter Tsukuyomi. So can you tell me one you know with it's stipulations, and what not.

I figured since he has the Rinnegan which came from his EMS that Tsukuyomi wouldn't affect him?

 

[~Ethereal~]

It's all a joke.

 

[DrProof]

I figured since he has the Rinnegan which came from his EMS that Tsukuyomi wouldn't affect him?

But that isn't the stipulation to break out of Tsukuyomi.

Re-thinking back to Kakashi's words concerning tsukuyomi, i questioned myself about something.

1- If Tsukuyomi really affects you in an instant, how do you even break the thing(skilled Sharingan user or not)?

Because the time you take to notice the genjutsu and attempt to break it, the instant second of tsukuyomi already took effect right?

It's even what Kakashi said in the viz translation

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It doesn't matter if you can defeat the genjutsu or not. Because it affects you in an instant, not even leaving you a room to break it

Before some people give me the Sasuke example, let me tell you something. Itachi can control the length of his tsukuyomi

He explained it while formulating a plan to defeat Kabuto

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1- We'll start by casting tsukuyomi on him to figure out the jutsu
2- While still under the nightmare real(tsukuyomi), i'll manipulate him into undoing the jutsu

Notice he mentions he does all that while Kabuto is still inside his tsukuyomi. This shows Itachi can indeed control the length of his tsukuyomi

Another example is the fight against Sasuke. Notice that while Sasuke was under Tsukuyomi, we see Zetsu on the same page concerned about something happening

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If Zetsu had time to notice something while tsukuyomi was active, it shows the tsukuyomi Itachi used against Sasuke wasn't instant. Most likely he prolonged the effect in order for Sasuke to have time to break it. After all, he never wanted to defeat Sasuke in that fight, more like the contrary

Conclusion

1- Tsukuyomi can only be broken if Itachi prolongs the effect for more than an instant
2- If Itachi uses tsukuyomi the time of an instant in the real world, no one can break it

 

[griffnat13]

Yeah, I haven't seen any Madara fans actually counter Tsukuyomi. So can you tell me one you know with it's stipulations, and what not.

My second post was aimed at you. I guess I forgot to click reply.

If madara gets hit with totsuka . Counter > eleborate please

What can destroy yatta > eleborate pls

Madara can get susanoo from behind, the side, or above. Yata can't defend four limbos and madara (all of which has PS)

 

[Venomous Cobra]

That too. You can't really counter shit like that.



How? You need to be his own blood to break out of Tsukuyomi.

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Not to mention that all visual genjustu are broken by chakra distribution(some exceptions like IT)

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tsukuyomi counter? A legit one? Just asking.

Rinnegan immune to visual Genjutsu gg

 

[sasukeism]

rinnegan wont be affected by tsukuyomi.

 

[griffnat13]

Love when itachi fans give up lol

 

[New Dawn]

I'vemade a thread before on how itachi's susanoo > madara's PS. Its fact. The only thingis ive never debated on how itachi > madara. But i think itachi can take outmadara. Not Rinnegan madara tho.