[Discussion] homosexuality

[Anorien16]

So now let me wrap everything up because you wanted to argue.

Eh, i wasnt aware that discussion section has any other purpose......

You disagree on the topic of homosexuality but agree on some things.

Well yeah, in the Bible I agree to 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' but disagree with 'Exodus 21:7 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do ' . . . . I for someone completely detest the very notion of 'selling your daughter' thing..... there are also some other things that I disagree....

You have studied so many religions that you probably believe some of all of those religion preaches. Nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is that you are in the undecided category of religion. You have read up on so much that you pick and choose what you want to believe in each category.

Quite right.... I choose to learn the best qualities among all and since it is permitted among them I m actually more of a Buddhist.

Telling me to choose your religion is not something to joke around. Depending on what you believe in it is quite serious.

Guessing not choosing.... u dont like intellectual challenges do u?

All of your points that you made in the last post could be debatable; however, I will not keep replying to nonsense.

Debatable but nonsense at the same time? More like a excuse to avoid a proper discussion ..... not surprised though.

You claim that my arguments are invalid.

Only when u give an argument but ignore its counter and the next moment strut about as though the matter was settled....

you claim that I am ignorant,

I dont think I ever said that..... at least I never questioned your Educational Qualification...

you claim that I am not tolerant of others.

Well I didnt call names or even call u intolerant . . . . I just said I usually tolerate users who calls other users names and requested u not to take advantage of of that......


Uhh.. Persecution complex is strong in this one...

These claims are like saying that the sky isn't blue or the grass isn't green.

Well actually the sky really isnt blue as its the blue part of sunlight that we observe makes it seem blue . . . . Also Grasses can be yellow or brown too and its the chlorophyll that gives it a blue coloration.......

Anyway same could be said for your arguments too ...... but u call my arguments useless while u use stalling+ignoring+refusing to talk tactics.

You kept saying that you weren't great or smart.

I try to humble but even I get the moods....

Why? Everyone makes mistakes, so there is no reason to keep referring to yourself as being great.

Thats what I said...... but I think your purposefully twisting facts to paint me the villain, nice but really old school tactics....

I did not need to know what you actually made in high school nor do I care.

Eh!!!!! Excuse me sir? Was it I who asked some to get at least an A in high school? Double standard.... bearing false witness ...... your doomed by your own laws .....

You said you stated your beliefs in bits and pieces, how is that going to help anyone including yourself know what it is that you believe in.

Well I very well I know what I believe in..... except my particular school of thought has no name yet, but it comes closest to a form of Buddhism.

It's like you get a sick thrill talking in riddles and you want everyone to think that your like a puzzle.

Thats the way I talk..... you were a while ago needlessly defending your writing style. So problem?

By "claiming" you are not, you simply are hopeful wishing that you are. If you understand all that you claim to know, you should figure out which religion you are in the first place. Do not pick and choose what you like and don't like. You have your opinions, I have mine. Please do not post again.

I figured out long ago that no organized religion thinks the way I do except a form of Buddhism that comes close to it . . . . . it is they who dont accept my school of thought, so unless I found something like Sayantanism I will go without a proper label that fits my beliefs totally . . . . . Also I am obviously going to choose the best and reject the worst (Also Its not about liking, its about reasoning with both heart and mind), much like metals are purified from harmful impurities and then alloy them with others to get the strongest possible thing . . . .

BTW Request Denied.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

You just went on a tirade saying its wrong to consider people your property (which I clearly agree with, not sure how you could possibly think otherwise).



The bible just said that slaves may be your property, and there is nothing wrong with that. You just said it is wrong to consider people property.

You disagree with the bible.

If you disagree with me on that, your issue is not with me but with the English language.



I agree, but I'm not trying to change your mind. Its pretty clear that you already do disagree with some things in the bible, I'm just trying to help you realize what you already admitted to knowing.

... your confusing me. Not in the sense that you are changing my mind and making me doubt what I believe, but confusing as in you say one thing but mean another. You misinterpret what I meant, that or I misinterpreted what you meant. I think we are both on the same page, we just are reading the same thing yet. I am saying the bible said it was ok if you wanted to own slaves. Nothing wrong with not wanting to own any slaves. Just like Nothing wrong if you did own slaves. I do not disagree with the bible. So do you think we are thinking the same, we just are saying it differently or not.

 

[Anorien16]

So now let me wrap everything up because you wanted to argue.

Eh, i wasnt aware that discussion section has any other purpose......

You disagree on the topic of homosexuality but agree on some things.

Well yeah, in the Bible I agree to 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' but disagree with 'Exodus 21:7 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do ' . . . . I for someone completely detest the very notion of 'selling your daughter' thing..... there are also some other things that I disagree....

You have studied so many religions that you probably believe some of all of those religion preaches. Nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is that you are in the undecided category of religion. You have read up on so much that you pick and choose what you want to believe in each category.

Quite right.... I choose to learn the best qualities among all and since it is permitted among them I m actually more of a Buddhist.

Telling me to choose your religion is not something to joke around. Depending on what you believe in it is quite serious.

Guessing not choosing.... u dont like intellectual challenges do u?

All of your points that you made in the last post could be debatable; however, I will not keep replying to nonsense.

Debatable but nonsense at the same time? More like a excuse to avoid a proper discussion ..... not surprised though.

You claim that my arguments are invalid.

Only when u give an argument but ignore its counter and the next moment strut about as though the matter was settled....

you claim that I am ignorant,

I dont think I ever said that..... at least I never questioned your Educational Qualification...

you claim that I am not tolerant of others.

Well I didnt call names or even call u intolerant . . . . I just said I usually tolerate users who calls other users names and requested u not to take advantage of of that......


Uhh.. Persecution complex is strong in this one...

These claims are like saying that the sky isn't blue or the grass isn't green.

Well actually the sky really isnt blue as its the blue part of sunlight that we observe makes it seem blue . . . . Also Grasses can be yellow or brown too and its the chlorophyll that gives it a green coloration.......

Anyway same could be said for your arguments too ...... but u call my arguments useless while u use stalling+ignoring+refusing to talk tactics.

You kept saying that you weren't great or smart.

I try to humble but even I get the moods....

Why? Everyone makes mistakes, so there is no reason to keep referring to yourself as being great.

Thats what I said...... but I think your purposefully twisting facts to paint me the villain, nice but really old school tactics....

But doesnt the last two sentences contradict each other?

I did not need to know what you actually made in high school nor do I care.

Eh!!!!! Excuse me sir? Was it I who asked some to get at least an A in high school? Double standard.... bearing false witness ...... your doomed by your own laws .....

You said you stated your beliefs in bits and pieces, how is that going to help anyone including yourself know what it is that you believe in.

Well I very well I know what I believe in..... except my particular school of thought has no name yet, but it comes closest to a form of Buddhism.

It's like you get a sick thrill talking in riddles and you want everyone to think that your like a puzzle.

Thats the way I talk..... you were a while ago needlessly defending your writing style. So problem?

By "claiming" you are not, you simply are hopeful wishing that you are. If you understand all that you claim to know, you should figure out which religion you are in the first place. Do not pick and choose what you like and don't like. You have your opinions, I have mine. Please do not post again.

I figured out long ago that no organized religion thinks the way I do except a form of Buddhism that comes close to it . . . . . it is they who dont accept my school of thought, so unless I found something like Sayantanism I will go without a proper label that fits my beliefs totally . . . . . Also I am obviously going to choose the best and reject the worst (Also Its not about liking, its about reasoning with both heart and mind), much like metals are purified from harmful impurities and then alloy them with others to get the strongest possible thing . . . .

BTW Request Denied.

Also Discussion section are.... well for discussions, not for 'I have my opinion and U got yours... so we are finished here' business.

PS Damn I cant edit or delete my posts... so I will have to repost my slightly corrected old post

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Eh, i wasnt aware that discussion section has any other purpose......



Well yeah, in the Bible I agree to 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' but disagree with 'Exodus 21:7 If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do ' . . . . I for someone completely detest the very notion of 'selling your daughter' thing..... there are also some other things that I disagree....



Quite right.... I choose to learn the best qualities among all and since it is permitted among them I m actually more of a Buddhist.


Guessing not choosing.... u dont like intellectual challenges do u?



Debatable but nonsense at the same time? More like a excuse to avoid a proper discussion ..... not surprised though.



Only when u give an argument but ignore its counter and the next moment strut about as though the matter was settled....



I dont think I ever said that..... at least I never questioned your Educational Qualification...



Well I didnt call names or even call u intolerant . . . . I just said I usually tolerate users who calls other users names and requested u not to take advantage of of that......


Uhh.. Persecution complex is strong in this one...



Well actually the sky really isnt blue as its the blue part of sunlight that we observe makes it seem blue . . . . Also Grasses can be yellow or brown too and its the chlorophyll that gives it a blue coloration.......

Anyway same could be said for your arguments too ...... but u call my arguments useless while u use stalling+ignoring+refusing to talk tactics.



I try to humble but even I get the moods....



Thats what I said...... but I think your purposefully twisting facts to paint me the villain, nice but really old school tactics....



Eh!!!!! Excuse me sir? Was it I who asked some to get at least an A in high school? Double standard.... bearing false witness ...... your doomed by your own laws .....



Well I very well I know what I believe in..... except my particular school of thought has no name yet, but it comes closest to a form of Buddhism.



Thats the way I talk..... you were a while ago needlessly defending your writing style. So problem?



I figured out long ago that no organized religion thinks the way I do except a form of Buddhism that comes close to it . . . . . it is they who dont accept my school of thought, so unless I found something like Sayantanism I will go without a proper label that fits my beliefs totally . . . . . Also I am obviously going to choose the best and reject the worst (Also Its not about liking, its about reasoning with both heart and mind), much like metals are purified from harmful impurities and then alloy them with others to get the strongest possible thing . . . .

BTW Request Denied.

Thank you for posting again so I could see your reply. Of course you'd probably post anyway, but I digress. Anyway, really the only information I wanted and took was what you said in the last paragraph. Thank you for agreeing that you pick and choose the best and disregard the worst. Therefore, you do not believe in any one religion and are trapped in a box where all you have is information but whether the information is correct or not. Who knows. You sure don't. What if you believe the lies that you claim are in every religion. What if everything that you think is right, is in reality considered immoral or wrong. You can't know. Because you pick and choose and do not stick to one religion you try to make reason out of nothing. Your other remarks are just trying to spark an argument. For example, was it really necessary to comment on the grass is green quote. What I am trying to do is get to the main reason of why you think the way you do. Clearly we will never see eye to eye. So what is the point of repeatedly posting nonsense. We have already posted are ideas and opinions and we do not agree with them. That is why I want you to quit posting.

BTW they probably wouldn't accept your "school of thought" because you believed parts of every other religion of which they contradict each other. You cannot say you are a part of all religions. You are either are in 1. Or you are in none.

 

[shelke]

Never expected this thread to tread this long. Colour me intrigued.

 

[YowYan]

Good question without an answer. If you don't stand and live for what you believe in, than you truly haven't lived.



By that first line I assume you aren't a believer in Christ. What you just said is like saying "just because it's a rule, doesn't mean we have to listen to it".

Jesus never wrote anything. You remember that.

 

[shelke]

^ There is an interesting logic on him being a schizophrenic. That could apply to a decent atheistic school of thought.

 

[Anorien16]

Thank you for posting again so I could see your reply.

U dont say?

Of course you'd probably post anyway, but I digress.

U dont say?

Anyway, really the only information I wanted and took was what you said in the last paragraph.

Eh, Ad Hoemnim much?

Thank you for agreeing that you pick and choose the best and disregard the worst.

Sorry I cant agrre to slavery, slaughter, discrimination etc just because some people says so....

Therefore, you do not believe in any one religion and are trapped in a box where all you have is information but whether the information is correct or not.

Well let me tell u a story: Once there was a frog who lived in a well and was happy as the king of the well. Then one day another frog visited him and told his of the majesty and the greatness of the oceans.... the well frog laughed at him and dismissed him as a lier.

Who knows. You sure don't.

Evidently neither u.... uncertainty effects all.

What if you believe the lies that you claim are in every religion.

What if everything you believe is a lie too?...... my reaction would be more or less same.

What if everything that you think is right, is in reality considered immoral or wrong. You can't know.

I use a primary filter criteria for judging a teaching:
1. Does it bring benefit too the world?
2. Does it harm the world?
3. Does it support the cause of justice, love, fraternity etc?
4. Does it improve or degrade human nature?
5. does it bring happiness?
........... such filtered teachings teachings are not supposed to be wrong or unethical.

Since u know your Bible let me point out some some rather absurd commands:

Leviticus 19.19:
“‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals. . . . . . Ah not sure what to make of this since....
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. . . . . Mixed cropping is actually beneficial.....
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. . . . Pointless teachings.....

Because you pick and choose and do not stick to one religion you try to make reason out of nothing.

Ur not using your comprehensive power here... teachings are are first listened to then understood, debated, modified if necessary and the finally accepted or rejected . . . . . Its not a shopping mall where I pick what I like and ignore what I dont....

Rather I try to find reason in everything...... and reason does not need help standing prominent.

Your other remarks are just trying to spark an argument. For example, was it really necessary to comment on the grass is green quote.

Wasnt your comment on how I should try and atleast get an A in HS before I post again a attempt at sparking an argument?
Also my grass sky comment actually means that truth is often far away from the what is generally percived by most people.

What I am trying to do is get to the main reason of why you think the way you do.

No we were talking about the possible inheirant wrongs of homosexuality till u switched to Ad Hoemnim tactics....

Clearly we will never see eye to eye.

Many will not .....

So what is the point of repeatedly posting nonsense.

Same can be asked of u...... at least my posts does not ignore counters and actually tackles them . . . .

We have already posted are ideas and opinions and we do not agree with them.

General Discussion is for well, Discussion.......

That is why I want you to quit posting.

Lead by example then . . . .

BTW they probably wouldn't accept your "school of thought"

Only strictly religion only people . . . . .

because you believed parts of every other religion of which they contradict each other.

Well when we are at a forking/contradiction.... the better path is chosen.

Funnily u cant even begin to understand the basics of my way.... nothing is absolute other than the good of my people and my world, I just gather wisdom from those came before me to understand and realize the best path to that goal.

You cannot say you are a part of all religions.

Well I m not that dumb..... but u are possibly blind as in my posts I never claimed to be a part of all religions.

You are either are in 1. Or you are in none.

OR I can follow the path of people like Socrates and the like....

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

First off I want to apologize to everyone for pointing out my views. I do not regret making this thread, but I have learned valuable information from it. On this topic alone, I have a better understanding of peoples views concerning this topic. I also realize that this is only a small amount of people's opinions so, what I have learned may or may not be completely accurate. Because of my beliefs, I do not believe homosexuality is right. For those of you that are, you have your own reasons why you feel this way. If only there was a way to be able to see how you think and feel we could better understand. Sadly, those that claim to be opposed of this because of religion, do not withhold the other rules that we are given. Instead we criticize and hate one another for their beliefs. Some, regardless of religion, view it as either a natural thing or unnatural thing. I do not know why people would consider it natural; however, it does exist so therefore we must acknowledge it.

For those of you who I have debated with I want to apologize on the "way I was posting". It was simply to try to get a truthful and reliable answer. I will say that I do not have all the facts concerning my religion. I wish I did, and will continue studying so that I can be better informed so that I do not misrepresent or be misinterpreted. From this thread I have been ridiculed, mocked, and have been questioned of my intellect. I see no reason to continue arguing when the thread itself has become dull and its just one/two people arguing over the same thing and we cannot come to a conclusion. Anorien if you read this, you probably will post again. I shall not reply, but you are free to do what you wish on account of I cannot close the thread that I created. On the topic of what you believe in. I do not approve you going from religion to religion stating that you know what seems right because, than you start to doubt what you believe in. When you start doubting, you eventually doubt everything, and one day you will stop believing anything. Just like you claim to be looking at every religion to search for the "hidden truth", I too try to understand other religions. The difference between me and you is though, I do not forget what I believe in the first place. Because of this, I see what others believe and I to can agree or disagree with it, so I can understand others in this aspect. You seem to know a little about the Bible on account of trying to disagree with me by posting verses. All I can say is, before you try to disprove others, learn what it is you believe in. You claim that you "could" follow the path of the people" like Socretes; however, this path is not a religion. So if you do dedicate your life to philosophy and try to understand the truth of this world, than fine. Do as you wish, but you cannot claim to be apart of any religion for you will be contradicting your own beliefs constantly.

Anyway, I will check back occasionally to see if anyone new posts anything worth debating, but if not, I shall not post again on this thread. (I know I said the same thing a couple of posts ago, but this time I am not looking for a debate/answer)

It is a wonder though, to think that all these things happened in the past. People who say they have facts on this or that, can only be so right. What if, a certain someone changed the course of history by changing one word from one sentence from an important document. That one change could change the meaning of one sentence. What if that one sentence was the fact we needed in order to prevent slavery from America in the beginning. Some may not get this, and I wouldn't blame them. It's kinda like I know what I am saying, but I have a hard time expressing what I mean. I do my best, but sometimes I am misinterpreted. Which causes some to debate me when we agree on the same thing. Pretty much, I am trying to say, what if the history we know of was not true. Bare with me on this for I am going to use it as an example. What if someone put a false statement into a doctrine which would build into a rule that one day a nation would follow. A false rule. Maybe that helps somewhat I do not know. Hope you all do though.

Alone we are powerless to change anything. One man can only do so much. It is when we come together when we truly become strong enough to change how things are. I am not saying that peace between all people is possible. I am not saying that it isn't possible. I am simply stating that it is not wrong to strive for something that you may or may not be achievable. For it is not the actual achievement that is glorious, but the road taken to get there. Good night, and God bless.

 

[AirWind]

It is not right, and refrain, try hard to avoid it (you know you can!)

 

[Anorien16]

Anorien if you read this, you probably will post again.

If u reply to my post or throw a comment at me, am I supposed to stay silent?

I shall not reply, but you are free to do what you wish on account of I cannot close the thread that I created.

Well u can but u wont . . . .

On the topic of what you believe in.

Does not matter to this topic.... but seemingly u like ad hoemnim.

I do not approve you going from religion to religion

Like I m a Muslim one second and Christian the next and Hindu the next hour? . . . . . i guess u still dont understand.

stating that you know what seems right because, than you start to doubt what you believe in. When you start doubting, you eventually doubt everything,

Hardly cos I will never doubt the fact that murder is wrong, stealing is wrong etc

and one day you will stop believing anything.

Slippery Slope argument? Not working cos u see... I dont 'believe' in the traditional sense, I come to a conclusion after much thought and debate... and conclusions can be modified with arrival of new data but never eradicated.

Just like you claim to be looking at every religion to search for the "hidden truth", I too try to understand other religions.

A noble quest...

The difference between me and you is though, I do not forget what I believe in the first place.

Basically u mean no matter what U wont learn new things and better alternatives as u think u know what is the truth or not........ The actual difference is that I am willing to learn you are not even ready to reconsider.

Because of this, I see what others believe and I to can agree or disagree with it, so I can understand others in this aspect.

So can I . . . . . but I can learn from them too.

You seem to know a little about the Bible on account of trying to disagree with me by posting verses.

Well a little bit.....

All I can say is, before you try to disprove others, learn what it is you believe in.

I know what I believe in thank you, if I wasnt sure I wouldnt have posted in the first place cos unlike you think I am not a er, a 'lost sheep' . . . .

You claim that you "could" follow the path of the people" like Socretes; however, this path is not a religion.

Now u seem to understand a little bit...... religion and philosophy is very close knitted u know?

So if you do dedicate your life to philosophy and try to understand the truth of this world, than fine.

Well Thank u.

Do as you wish, but you cannot claim to be apart of any religion for you will be contradicting your own beliefs constantly.

Except perhaps Buddhism cos Gautam Buddha seemed to entertain the idea that individuals should learn for themselves not just follow blindly . . . . . but I was never desperate to be a part of any religion because of the very, u dont have to worry.

As for contradiction here's one..... Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc teaches that a person should honor their elders especially their parents.... now does that make a Buddhist a Christian or Muslim a Buddhist or Christian an Hindu? OR if a atheist believes in the same does that make him a part of any religion? . . . . . U see u dont religion to believe in anything.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

It is not right, and refrain, try hard to avoid it (you know you can!)

See anyone can avoid it. They don't have to go out and have ***, they themselves make the choice. Saying that they "didn't choose this" is total crap. Good post.

 

[Anorien16]

See anyone can avoid it. They don't have to go out and have ***, they themselves make the choice. Saying that they "didn't choose this" is total crap. Good post.

So homosexuality is just about ***? Then marriage is about legalized one customer prostitution or heterosexuality is just about boobs . . . . . Dont people get the concept of love in this?

 

[YowYan]

See anyone can avoid it. They don't have to go out and have ***, they themselves make the choice. Saying that they "didn't choose this" is total crap. Good post.

You and AirWind are pretty delusional when it comes to this topic, I've read some post of yours and I'll just keep it at...Keep your ignorance for yourself, or stay open for subject to interpretation. Right now, you know sh1t.

 

[Nocturne]

Im a Muslim and religiously its fornidden since the teaching says that every man is given a life partner from the begining and that if ur homo then u deny what was chosen for u and go for something that is humiliating to have sexual relations with same gender...
Gay marriages and gay *** is forbidden. Teaching says that your not even suppose to sleep naked undea sheet with a person of ur ownn gender unless its ur father or brother.
Well, all of this imply to Muslims only. I admit that once your gay, its hard to keep away from being one and to avoid the temptation.
I have no problem with gay people as long as I dont get into being one. But tbh ive met gay people, naturally theyr reLly nice. Its better to be bi then to be totally gay. Thats when you find problem because that waythey talk walk sit n stand like opposite *** which catches the attention of many to fi d a topic to gossip about.

 

[REX Lex]

cant believe this thread is not closed

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

You and AirWind are pretty delusional when it comes to this topic, I've read some post of yours and I'll just keep it at...Keep your ignorance for yourself, or stay open for subject to interpretation. Right now, you know sh1t.

Who's the delusional one, the one who closes his mind or the one who is open to everything. You do not understand the way I think, nor do you know my beliefs. Really this thread was to see how others reacted to the subject. You claim that I am ignorant, yet you know only so little. I take it that I offended you with my last post. Really I thought that post would be the last because I didn't reply to Anorians so I figured he would either reply some stupid comment on that or he wouldn't post at all. Just like you said before, you don't have to keep posting. You don't even have to keep checking back. So really, which one of us is more ignorant

cant believe this thread is not closed

No rule has been broken, therefore it does not need to be closed. Although, I did ask a mod to close it 4 days ago. lol

 

[YowYan]

Who's the delusional one, the one who closes his mind or the one who is open to everything. You do not understand the way I think, nor do you know my beliefs. Really this thread was to see how others reacted to the subject. You claim that I am ignorant, yet you know only so little. I take it that I offended you with my last post. Really I thought that post would be the last because I didn't reply to Anorians so I figured he would either reply some stupid comment on that or he wouldn't post at all. Just like you said before, you don't have to keep posting. You don't even have to keep checking back. So really, which one of us is more ignorant



No rule has been broken, therefore it does not need to be closed. Although, I did ask a mod to close it 4 days ago. lol

It takes a real badass to be able to offend me ;p
I just have a low tolerance for ignorance as of short.
I understand how you think, and concerning the term ''close-minded'', it's pretty clear who's who.
Either way, educate yourself for a couple of years, grow a tad older and wiser, then we talk.

 

[Stencil]

I shall leave my faith and reasoning with YowYan and Typhon as they seem to be the only ones who have got the right moral idea u_u

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

It takes a real badass to be able to offend me ;p
I just have a low tolerance for ignorance as of short.
I understand how you think, and concerning the term ''close-minded'', it's pretty clear who's who.
Either way, educate yourself for a couple of years, grow a tad older and wiser, then we talk.

ah, so here is the problem. You have "a low tolerance" for ignorance. Considering you think you "understand" the way I think is truly plausible considering all you know is a couple of posts from a random guy on the internet who may or may not have been telling the whole truth. I am glad society has created such a person. Maybe now you can help stop crime that is committed over the internet with your such highly skilled intellect. I don't know about that though, the whole close minded thing, its funny how you think I am. Like I said, I barely know anything of you just like you barely know anything about me. For all you know I could be your elder who is trying to share wisdom with a stubborn teenager who is trying to accommodate for the fact that you have nothing better to do than to daily check up on a subject on which you view so strongly for. Why else would you continuously post or check back.