[Discussion] homosexuality

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Just ignore the thread then 0_0 You're not obliged to reply.
And you should be happy your thread lasted this long. That used to be the goal for most members.

But you see it is my obligation. Because people continuously are bashing others on their opinions. Not saying you are, but there are some. As for how long this thread is..... All i can say is mission accomplished. lol

 

[Anorien16]

Actually you are the one repeating. Repeating to post needless posts. Please by all means keep posting, in the end it's funny how you want to keep discussing when we have way long passed the point of discussion. At least cowboy stopped posting here and finally moved on, maybe you all can do the same.

Well I am actually waiting for the 'PROOF' you were talking about . . . . the sooner you provide them the sooner I can move on....

PS U are actually enforcing the notion I expressed in my quote that u quoted.... thanks

 

[Jobrjo]

It is wrong, because our Creater decided so. It's contrary to nature and advocates immoral sexual activity.

But for the record, if there was no God, then hey, go ahead. It's your life. So many things hinge on that existence of a God, or lack-thereof.


(And for the record, I personally find it disgusting...)

 

[Anorien16]

It is wrong, because our Creater decided so. It's contrary to nature and advocates immoral sexual activity.

But for the record, if there was no God, then hey, go ahead. It's your life. So many things hinge on that existence of a God, or lack-thereof.


(And for the record, I personally find it disgusting...)

Our creator told otherwise, he told as long as people are kind to each other and brings harm to none, they are free to do what brings them happiness....

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Well I am actually waiting for the 'PROOF' you were talking about . . . . the sooner you provide them the sooner I can move on....

PS U are actually enforcing the notion I expressed in my quote that u quoted.... thanks

Our creator told otherwise, he told as long as people are kind to each other and brings harm to none, they are free to do what brings them happiness....

I have given you proof yet you continuously say otherwise. Your a stubborn ignoramus who doesn't know when to shut up. You talk about a creator. Do you believe in God, or just a supreme being that created us.

 

[Jobrjo]

Our creator told otherwise, he told as long as people are kind to each other and brings harm to none, they are free to do what brings them happiness....

Assuming by "our [C]reator" you're making reference to God, then I'm sorry sir, but that is mistaken. Nowhere does God say we can do whatever we want as long has we don't harm one another. Maybe some man erroneously said that, but not God. Please show me where in the Bible.

 

[Anorien16]

Assuming by "our [C]reator" you're making reference to God, then I'm sorry sir, but that is mistaken. Nowhere does God say we can do whatever we want as long has we don't harm one another. Maybe some man erroneously said that, but not God. Please show me where in the Bible.

Well sorry then... you should mention which creator you were talking about.....

I have given you proof yet you continuously say otherwise. Your a stubborn ignoramus who doesn't know when to shut up. You talk about a creator. Do you believe in God, or just a supreme being that created us.

Just saying 'I gave u proof' does not make reality change . . . . . . and If Bible is your 'proof' in that case I gave showed u the Koran, the Bhagbat Gita, The Wiccan Rede, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Teachings of Buddha, the Teachings of Confucius etc all whom proves you wrong.... but still you stubbornly ignore them....

PS Just in the case I am mistaken please quote your proof.... I might missed it.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

You haven't showed me anything. You just named different things from different religions. I gave you examples from the Bible, you simply stated different books/ teachings etc. I do not ignore them. In fact if you actually studied and understood what they were about, you probably wouldn't use half of those sources as your proof. But yea, I'm the ignorant one lol. I'm not going to go looking in the other pages of what I said because that would take time that I don't have right at the moment so I hope what I said will suffice for now.

 

[Anorien16]

You haven't showed me anything. You just named different things from different religions. I gave you examples from the Bible, you simply stated different books/ teachings etc. I do not ignore them. In fact if you actually studied and understood what they were about, you probably wouldn't use half of those sources as your proof. But yea, I'm the ignorant one lol. I'm not going to go looking in the other pages of what I said because that would take time that I don't have right at the moment so I hope what I said will suffice for now.

Ahh precisely my point!!!! thank u again ..... I did just what u did: u just mentioned a certain point from a certain book and the considered your side of the argument settled while ignoring my counter (and oddly enough u dont even remember what your proposed 'proof' was) ...... So I too linked some various source of philosophical knowledge which contradicts your source thus in a way invalidates everything u say and then considered my side of the argument settled and over . . . . . U ask why I am doing this? This is because u dont reply properly to various points me or any other may put up......

PS Well yes I actually read the many of the texts I linked and understood them as much my limited understanding allowed, but as I said: my purpose was not to make a sensible argument just like you...

PPS I never said you are ignorant..... your too presumptuous.

PPPS So if u remember what your 'proof' was please state it again instead of just saying 'I gave u proof, I gave u proof'.... then we can have a fresh and much more sensible discussion . . . . .

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Ahh precisely my point!!!! thank u again ..... I did just what u did: u just mentioned a certain point from a certain book and the considered your side of the argument settled while ignoring my counter (and oddly enough u dont even remember what your proposed 'proof' was) ...... So I too linked some various source of philosophical knowledge which contradicts your source thus in a way invalidates everything u say and then considered my side of the argument settled and over . . . . . U ask why I am doing this? This is because u dont reply properly to various points me or any other may put up......

PS Well yes I actually read the many of the texts I linked and understood them as much my limited understanding allowed, but as I said: my purpose was not to make a sensible argument just like you...

PPS I never said you are ignorant..... your too presumptuous.

PPPS So if u remember what your 'proof' was please state it again instead of just saying 'I gave u proof, I gave u proof'.... then we can have a fresh and much more sensible discussion . . . . .

.... 3 things. 1. quit posting your boring me. 2. you didn't give me any links. 3. quit being a lazy a**whole and look back at the posts I have given for the post instead of asking me to do more work just to please your needs.

PS I gave you examples from the Bible. You just named the teachings and the books.

PPS Quit trying to act like your all high and mighty like your the king that knows everything lol. It really just makes you look bad.

PPPS You are not special. I am sorry. If I don't reply correctly to your post, its because I either don't have the time to actually read all that you say and skim through it, I'm writing posts on different threads on account of this being a 1/2 week old thread, I'm actually more concentrated on replying to someone else's post because I can actually reason with them instead of acting like a stuck up a**whole. Thank you come again

 

[Anorien16]

.... 3 things. 1. quit posting your boring me. 2. you didn't give me any links. 3. quit being a lazy a**whole and look back at the posts I have given for the post instead of asking me to do more work just to please your needs.

PS I gave you examples from the Bible. You just named the teachings and the books.

PPS Quit trying to act like your all high and mighty like your the king that knows everything lol. It really just makes you look bad.

PPPS You are not special. I am sorry. If I don't reply correctly to your post, its because I either don't have the time to actually read all that you say and skim through it, I'm writing posts on different threads on account of this being a 1/2 week old thread, I'm actually more concentrated on replying to someone else's post because I can actually reason with them instead of acting like a stuck up a**whole. Thank you come again

1. Oh really? Too bad....

2. Well the pictures are links.....

3. I quite well remember what was your argument and my reply which had something to do with adoption....

PS Well..... uhmmm ok lets See:

Gautam Buddha said: "Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words. Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts. Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances."

"Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good."

Well following the advice if someone thinks properly there is nothing, period nothing wrong with loving someone even if he is of same gender.

Homosexuality was not demonised in Chinese and Indian culture.... just disliked it ...... so they didnt make extensive texts about them.

Wiccan Rede: 'An ye harm none, do as ye will.'

..... your turn.

PPS I was trying to be an ass ..... glad I succeed But I never claimed I know everything and I also never tried to prove things that are disputed and very hard to prove (Perhaps jokingly but never seriously) .....

PPPS Neither are you but yet I had the ...... "apply proper adjective" ..... to read and try to understand your points (which are usually longer than mine) .... which u sadly didnt do..... well what can I say even I read and reply to every thread ......

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

1. you asked me to post my posts again. I answered why I was not.

2. You quite well remember? Good for you. I don't know and don't care what you posted about adoption, it was probably worthless information at the topic at hand.

2/3 The following quotes from these books and teachings are not assigned therefore it is impossible to deduce which one came from which. Plus, they have nothing to do with homosexuality. Find me quotes about this certain topic or don't waste my time.

3. To your first example about Budha, "he" states not to blindly believe him. Than it goes on about not believing anyone or anything.

Example number 2. It says to find out what is true and what is real. Everyones perception of reality is different compared to what each person experiences in their life. Your reality might be fantasy to another individual. Vice Versa. This is just a unanswered statement meaning that anyone can view this however they want. It is not a rule nor a guide to how we should live.

Example number 3. I don't know if you wrote this one or if you didn't, where you got it from. Whoever wrote it I feel sorry for, for they are arrogant to say that if they do not "think properly" than they are in the wrong. Who's to say the one who said this quote was in the wrong.

Example 4. AND WHY DO YOU THINK THEY DISLIKED IT DUM DUM... Duh. They didn't make any rules banning it because it hadn't become a big issue.

Example 5. Why not go on ahead and read before and after this statement and than state this quote again and tell me they do not contradict each other. Good try to pull a fast one though.

PS You didn't have a PS so there was no need to post a PPS

PPS It's good to know that. Now I know for sure that your an idiot.

PPPS Go back to english class and learn your adjective uses. If you have time to dislike my english use, maybe you should spend that time getting more facts instead of belittling my writing style. Yes, while you may reply to every thread, you don't always post the smartest posts, hence why we are still debating lol.

PPPPS. Finish high school with at least an A, doesn't have to be an A+, but at least I'll know you've learned something instead of spending it on a website all day :

PPPPPS. If it's not too much trouble, what is it that you believe in. You and everyone else know what I believe in, but you on the other hand are questioning my beliefs yet you fail to state your own.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Yeah it's wrong and it sounds gross man with a man LMAO

 

[Typhon]

Had it not been said to be wrong in the Bible (or other holy books), would you who are adamantly against it maintain that position?

 

[Bijuu13]

im bi and im christian jesus said nothing of homosexuality

the bible states its wrong ... It isnt the worst sin but still

 

[Typhon]

the bible states its wrong ... It isnt the worst sin but still

The bible also says its okay to beat your slave so long as you don't kill them.

Should that be acceptable?


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

Exodus 21:20-21 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

Had it not been said to be wrong in the Bible (or other holy books), would you who are adamantly against it maintain that position?

Hard to say. 2 things though.

1. Because I believe that the bible is God's word. I do my best to follow his word as best I can. Asking me whether or not I would act differently is an impossible question because it already is a part of my life. I am not going to lie and say that I may or may not act differently because I will never know. However, The bible itself states its wrong, therefore, I do not approve of homosexuals. That is not the only reason however. If a man and a man were to be together, for example, they should be able to reproduce. On account of not being able to do that it is naturally wrong to sleep with another man. If, for example, you were to have a kid who was going to class with a kid who has two dads (please do not tell me one can be a mother for that is an insult to all mothers), that kid is going to think that nothing is wrong with having two dads because he is just a child. He does not know anything and is taking everything around him as valuable information toward what will become the way he thinks, acts, and treats others. I'm not saying you should treat that kid differently for the kid had done nothing wrong. However, do you think that the "fathers" would want their son to be gay and unnatural like them, Or would you not even care about that and have your kid treat that kid like an outcast.

 

[Typhon]

Hard to say. 2 things though.

1. Because I believe that the bible is God's word. I do my best to follow his word as best I can. Asking me whether or not I would act differently is an impossible question because it already is a part of my life. I am not going to lie and say that I may or may not act differently because I will never know. However, The bible itself states its wrong, therefore, I do not approve of homosexuals. That is not the only reason however. If a man and a man were to be together, for example, they should be able to reproduce. On account of not being able to do that it is naturally wrong to sleep with another man. If, for example, you were to have a kid who was going to class with a kid who has two dads (please do not tell me one can be a mother for that is an insult to all mothers), that kid is going to think that nothing is wrong with having two dads because he is just a child. He does not know anything and is taking everything around him as valuable information toward what will become the way he thinks, acts, and treats others. I'm not saying you should treat that kid differently for the kid had done nothing wrong. However, do you think that the "fathers" would want their son to be gay and unnatural like them, Or would you not even care about that and have your kid treat that kid like an outcast.

*points to above post*

So how do you view slavery, and beating your slaves?


As for the rest of the post, by that logic single parents should have their children taken from them because they aren't getting the proper care that a mother and father could provide. There are millions of children throughout the world who don't have any parents, only have one parent or have two abusive and neglectful parents. Any one of them would give anything to have the love and care of two parents, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation.

 

[Ninja Hidden in the Leafs]

The bible also says its okay to beat your slave so long as you don't kill them.

Should that be acceptable?


Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

Exodus 21:20-21 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

you misinterpret what slavery is. Slavery wasn't always a bad thing way back than. In those days, if a man or woman did not have a place to call their home or did not have food to feed themselves and family, than they could "sell" their lives to live and work for another in order to be fed and be kept alive. Your only saying that slavery is wrong because of the way the past several hundred years have done with slavery. A few thousand years ago though, it was a way to work and be fed.

 

[Typhon]

you misinterpret what slavery is. Slavery wasn't always a bad thing way back than. In those days, if a man or woman did not have a place to call their home or did not have food to feed themselves and family, than they could "sell" their lives to live and work for another in order to be fed and be kept alive. Your only saying that slavery is wrong because of the way the past several hundred years have done with slavery. A few thousand years ago though, it was a way to work and be fed.

Oh come on, slavery isn't being represented that way at all. If it were, why would you be beating your slave? It says its okay to beat someone, and as long as they don't die for a couple of days afterwards its fine.