[Discussion] Homosexuality explanation

[Hellas]

Excuse me my good sir? Wtf are you saying? you can't possibly bring religion in this argument especially when many people here don't even follow it. You're just gonna get flamed more then you already have, nor does your thread contribute anything other then just posting stuff of no relevance which people obviously aren't going to take seriously. And you can't save someone from being gay, if they're homosexual, leave them be, I barely doubt they're even doing something to you.

He's so shoving down his beliefs down people's throat.

 

[Olorin]

western science accumulate assumptions to prove their so called physics & biology

Not to mention that "western science" just flew the biggest eastern country to the moon

Whats with the term "western science", science is just science everywhere you go, physics is universal

 

[Olorin]

Homosexuality defies fundamental ideas of humanity, therefore it's unnatural and it doesn't belong to this world. This thread actually made me wonder what is the meaning of their existence. I guess they're living yolo since there's certainly not much they can achieve as human beings.

Dude, you have serious issues, this post was wrong on so many ethical levels, there is such a thing as going too far

 

[Third Sage]

Dude, you have serious issues, this post was wrong on so many ethical levels, there is such a thing as going too far

Really? Are you saying that homosexuality is natural? Do you deny the fact that we would not exist now if our predecessors were homosexuals?

 

[Olorin]

Really? Are you saying that homosexuality is natural? Do you deny the fact that we would not exist now if our predecessors were homosexuals?

Yes it is, humans got to where we are through a natural evolution, attraction to men is determined by many factors, a big role among which are played by hormones

Men arent interested in women because "thats how its supposed to be" we are attracted to them because of our biology, some ppl were born taller, some with different eye colours, some with blonde and some with black hair, some were born to be better at sports and some at education, ... And some were born with slightly different hormone glands etc, why ppl are discriminatory towards them I cant understand

Everyone starts their lives as a girl and than through the course of pregnancy develops male sexual organs

 

[Third Sage]

I'm not in the mood for debating really, I just expressed my opinion with no fuk given about those who disagree with me. Homosexuality is just wrong, no one can make me believe the other way, sorry.

 

[Scorps]

Just a note: trying to discuss this subject is futile.

Why?

A) People who have been raised and educated to believe that Homosexuality is a disease, the cause of the end of days and the cause of anything wrong with the world will not yield as their beliefs are based off of deep, old religious principles. And you all know religion cannot be discussed without leading to a dead end.

B) People who understand it and accept it as something natural that happens to some humans will never be able to understand the hate and the simple utter rigidity of those who fit in option A). The end result is futile just the same.

C) No one really knows why some people are homossexuals and some aren't. We do know its not a choice nor is it a disease. However, the origin itself remains completely undefined. Some believe in the freudian approach where as the absence of a strong Male rolemodel (for boys) or a strong female rolemodel (for girls) may lead to it. Some believe its genetically bound. Some believe its enviromental in the sense that its related to the hormones we ingest in food, water, etc as well as racial atributes, etc. Any of the hipothesis is voided to be discussed as no one will actually acknowledge they are wrong and will invariblity either go into option B) or option A)


Thus, in the end, the result is always a "war". And for what? Come on guys, is talking about gays all you want to do when you come online? Its so futile, pointless and such a waste of energy. And I still can't understand why people simply choose to keep repeating the same arguments over and over again knowing it will lead to nowhere. Focus your energy in something better than hate. Hate brings nothing but Fear. Fear brings aggression. Aggression brings violence. Violence brings death, suffering, poverty, etc. Nothing good comes from hating. It brings us suffering and death. Death and suffering of innocent people. Hating homossexuals brings suffering to them (from persecutions to inability to get work or simply be happy) and regardless of your own personal beliefs, anyone who advocates innocent people should suffer, physically or emotionally because of who they are, nothing more, is the worse kind of people in the world. Its the people that shaped the current state of things we have now. Its the people we should be hating.

Everytime I see such a thread I read it. Every time i see a thread about religion, I read it. I don't believe in much, despite being raised catholic and I'm straight. But with all that, I still hate...hating. Its just so sick and twisted. Who would actually want bad things to happen to people who for some reason of nature (and sorry but homosexuality may be a deviation from the norm but its natural since no one is making homosexuals on purpose; they are born like that, thus they are natural, not man or alien made), were born with a different sexual orientation? Why? Its simply illogical for me. I can't understand why so much hate. I really can't.

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[avenged sevenfold]

Really? Are you saying that homosexuality is natural? Do you deny the fact that we would not exist now if our predecessors were homosexuals?

Neither homosexuality, heterosexuality or bisexuality is natural. Love is natural. It shouldn't really matter who loves who and what gender they are. Scientifically wise you are right. The human race would not exist if heterosexuals/bisexuals existed but at the end of the day gay people exist and because of that they deserve respect and love not disrespect and hatred.

TO EVERYONE: Please stop being so silly and arguing about gays they exist so get the **** over it and learn to stop being such ****ing dickheads because gay people exist because they are people like everyone ****ing else and they deserve no hatred nor disrespect. Grow the **** up

 

[Hellas]

I'm not in the mood for debating really, I just expressed my opinion with no fuk given about those who disagree with me. Homosexuality is just wrong, no one can make me believe the other way, sorry.

Religion is plain wrong.

 

[Olorin]

I'm not in the mood for debating really, I just expressed my opinion with no fuk given about those who disagree with me. Homosexuality is just wrong, no one can make me believe the other way, sorry.

well soon ppl like you are gonna be what extreme racists are today

and it's not htat you are not in the mood to debate, it's that you can't debate because your knowledge on the subjects reaches as far as ''homosexuality is wrong'' ... which in itself is a false statement, nevertheless I'm gonna go along with you and leave you alone

Religion is plain wrong.

I myslef am an atheist but tha is NOT true

 

[YowYan]

well soon ppl like you are gonna be what extreme racists are today

and it's not htat you are not in the mood to debate, it's that you can't debate because your knowledge on the subjects reaches as far as ''homosexuality is wrong'' ... which in itself is a false statement, nevertheless I'm gonna go along with you and leave you alone

This. My thoughts expressed.

 

[HadouKage]

I don't give a shit if someone is gay. and none religion should mess with it. people who are anti-gay or have something against them are narrow minded and aren't open for different views or respect people.
If they are gay and are happy, why ruin it for them? you rather see someone unhappy cause YOU don't like it? That is selfcentered bullshit.

The same reason why ppl who practice incest are look down upon

 

[Prime Rib]

You know all i read on here is negative stuff.

people just bashing religion and god

and others who cant respect a person belief.

fact is people are not born gay nor do they choose to be that way.

homosexuality in many cultures and religion is immorality wrong

 

[Olorin]

Homosexualism is a disease that needs to be purged out of the society in my opinion and i wont support any one who is such i would however try to respect thier ideals and views but i can not accept it.

sometimes stupidity seems like a disease

 

[Sasuke2]

Our opinion doesn't matter. God says being gay is a abomination, so you in the end Hell is their judgment

Correction: an ancient book written by primitive men says so. Unless I missed God himself broadcasting on TV or radio.

Homosexuality defies fundamental ideas of humanity, therefore it's unnatural and it doesn't belong to this world. This thread actually made me wonder what is the meaning of their existence. I guess they're living yolo since there's certainly not much they can achieve as human beings.

What are "fundamental ideas of humanity" ? Enlighten us. "It's unnatural and it doesn't belong to this world" Yet the majority of this world's hundreds if not thousand species has homosexual members... right, unnatural. For the rest of your stupid comment, what difference can heterosexuals achieve as human beings that homosexuals can't? Lol, besides sexual preferences we do not differ pal. I wonder what's the meaning of your existence mister.

Homosexualism is a disease that needs to be purged out of the society in my opinion and i wont support any one who is such i would however try to respect thier ideals and views but i can not accept it.

Right, despite having been ruled out as a disease by doctors decades ago. You can't purge homosexuality, it will ALWAYS exist for as long as any living species does, get over it.

 

[Olorin]

Are you feeling powerful now? Even a bit? Please, little guy, don't be disrespectful to other people's beliefs. What makes you think your knowledge is greater than mine? Just because you think you're right? Well, I think you're not and that you will realize that eventually. When I say I don't feel like debating, I truly don't, I have never ran away from a debate before and I never will. You're obviously just another share-t

about your question, I have no idea what you want with it. Well your belief is extremely offensive to a group of ppl and I happen to have friends in that group so if you talk of them in that way I will speak what I want. No I do not think I am absolutely right but slowly the time and evolution of our society is making my view point more and more valid and making your view on the matter, not only outdated and thought of as wrong but also offensive. I will not realize that because I do not discriminate and I was not raised to make extremely offensive claims towards someone just because they have a different sexual preference. You can disagree with them all you want but you do NOT have the right to belittle them NOR demand any kind of rules against them. Discrimination without any logic in itself does not go hand in hand with democracy or equality.

 

[Scorps]

Are you feeling powerful now? Even a bit? Please, little guy, don't be disrespectful to other people's beliefs. What makes you think your knowledge is greater than mine? Just because you think you're right? Well, I think you're not and that you will realize that eventually. When I say I don't feel like debating, I truly don't, I have never ran away from a debate before and I never will. You're obviously just another share-the-love prat and I'd really like if we continue this discussion via VM/PM. Now excuse me, I'm going out with my girlfriend.



We can REPRODUCE, moron.

So can monkeys.

And technically speaking, homosexuals can reproduce Lol Unless they have some physical problem with their netheryayas (big bang theory reference...oh wait...is that a sin too? to believe in the big bang? oh wait... Tv is a sin as well. Dam...hum...dunno then) they can reproduce all they want. They are simply unable to do so with their partners.

 

[HadouKage]

about your question, I have no idea what you want with it. Well your belief is extremely offensive to a group of ppl and I happen to have friends in that group so if you talk of them in that way I will speak what I want. No I do not think I am absolutely right but slowly the time and evolution of our society is making my view point more and more valid and making your view on the matter, not only outdated and thought of as wrong but also offensive. I will not realize that because I do not discriminate and I was not raised to make extremely offensive claims towards someone just because they have a different sexual preference. You can disagree with them all you want but you do NOT have the right to belittle them NOR demand any kind of rules against. Discrimination without any logic in itself does not go hand in hand with democracy or equality.

I laugh at this ludicrous bold statement

So can monkeys.

And technically speaking, homosexuals can reproduce Lol Unless they have some physical problem with their netheryayas (big bang theory reference...oh wait...is that a sin too? to believe in the big bang? oh wait... Tv is a sin as well. Dam...hum...dunno then) they can reproduce all they want. They are simply unable to do so with their partners.

I like how ppl take references from the bible and interpret it to misunderstanding. Same thing with incest. So why is incest so wrong and socially not accepted?

 

[Olorin]

I laugh at this ludicrous bold statement

as the society gets more and more liberal there is less and less racism, homophobia, ... it is a fact based on an observation, people are more and more willing to accept gay marriage and adoption and it can clearly be observed from the changes in legislation of same *** marriage and adoption and people are less and less proned to make any kind of allegations, statements, ... towards homosexuals

the same kind if shift happened in racism and eventually ended segregation and apartheid, you can laugh at it if you want but it is happening at tis very moment

the process is slow but that does not mean the observation is invalid, you just need the patience and knowledge to see it

 

[HadouKage]

as the society gets more and more liberal there is less and less racism, homophobia, ... it is a fact based on an observation, people are more and more willing to accept gay marriage and adoption and it can clearly be observed from the changes in legislation of same *** marriage and adoption and people are less and less proned to make any kind of allegations, statements, ... towards homosexuals

the same kind if shift happened in racism and eventually ended segregation and apartheid, you can laugh at it if you want but it is happening at tis very moment

the process is slow but that does not mean the observation is invalid, you just need the patience and knowledge to see it

Yes, in America, one of the most hypocritical and hated states in the world. Your sources of proof are lovely sir