Holy sh*t!!!!!!Uchiha matters getting revealed finally

[Summer]

lets hope they do a good job showcasin shisui because if they lack in his epicness people will rage. itachi looked up to this man.

 

[Chie]

Danzo seemed to have been doing everything he could to stop negotiation though.

To my recollection, all he did was stop the KA which was pretty much the last thing stopping the massacre from happening. I know that he wanted the massacre to happen, he was even willing to have his own men kill the Uchiha and I am not saying he isn't to blame. But I don't think that Fugaku had absolutely no ability to talk to Hiruzen, I think it's safe to assume he could have and vice-versa. Both sides can be blamed imo. U_U

 

[Berimbolo No Jutsu]

In before "who cares it's just filler..."

Who cares? This is filler not canon

...did that really just happen... :eww:

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Danzo was not the sole reason for the Uchiha's downfall. Numerous other things were in place and Danzo simply took advantage of it, the Uchiha's themselves were not helping the situation; both sides were to blame. However it all stems back to Madara during the first foundings of the Leaf.

 

[KingHashirama]

To my recollection, all he did was stop the KA which was pretty much the last thing stopping the massacre from happening. I know that he wanted the massacre to happen, he was even willing to have his own men kill the Uchiha and I am not saying he isn't to blame. But I don't think that Fugaku had absolutely no ability to talk to Hiruzen, I think it's safe to assume he could have and vice-versa. Both sides can be blamed imo. U_U

He worked with Obito also ;p

Danzo was not the sole reason for the Uchiha's downfall. Numerous other things were in place and Danzo simply took advantage of it, the Uchiha's themselves were not helping the situation. It all stems back to Madara during the first foundings of the Leaf.

Hmm, explain a bit more? Because i'm not seeing how the uchiha can be responsible for their own downfall.. unless you are suggesting every one should just accept their roles in society..

 

[Murasame]

...did that really just happen... :eww:

I don't know what you are talking about.

 

[MinaButt]

So much Itachi wank atm lol

 

[Megatolium]

Itachi was so to say, the cleanser of Konoha.

 

[KingHashirama]

Itachi was so to say, the cleanser of Konoha.

Sounds like something a nazi follower would say =x

 

[FleeOnSight]

Calm down. It's a filler

 

[Chie]

Danzo was not the sole reason for the Uchiha's downfall. Numerous other things were in place and Danzo simply took advantage of it, the Uchiha's themselves were not helping the situation; both sides were to blame. However it all stems back to Madara during the first foundings of the Leaf.

I agree with this. There had already been years of tension between Konoha and the Uchiha since the days of Tobirama's and Madara's fallout. Fugaku and the majority of the clan were too stubborn and didn't want to compromise. Hiruzen was too much of a pushoever. And Danzo did whatever he wanted but did it the wrong way, he didn't help the situation as far as coming to a compromise went. Then it became quite evident that negotiations wouldn't work because Shisui had to resort to a KA attempt, but then that didn't succeed and the massacre became inevitable at that point.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Hmm, explain a bit more? Because i'm not seeing how the uchiha can be responsible for their own downfall.. unless you are suggesting every one should just accept their roles in society..

I'll just copy and paste bits and bobs on what I wrote ages ago that explained the reasons for their downfall.

Their greatest powerful leader, Madara Uchiha, who led them through countless battles, ironically also led to their downfall. His ideals about revolting during the first foundings of Konoha was the seed to all of this because he thought the Senju were intent on wiping out the Uchiha. Happens when you have an arrogant, power lust and paranoid leader.

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So Tobirama had to manage a way in order to keep the Uchihas in check.

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The Uchiha clan were not entirely doing themselves any favours by the following reasons:

- Succumbing into the ideals of Madara as they noticed that they were being kept in check and decided to plan a revolution.

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- Uchiha clans absence from the attack of the Fox didn't also exactly helped and ease the tension amongst villagers.

Eventually, Fugaku and other Uchihas would plan a revolution. They were willing to risk a civil war as well as possibly a Shinobi world war (

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was sure of this). It couldn't have been avoided even if they were to

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with Hiruzen (as Hiruzen wanted to) as it seemed the Uchiha were determined to start a revolution as shown through Itachi's parents.

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There you go Uchiha's part in their own downfall. Obviously Danzo played his part and took advantage but he, the elders or even

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weren't going to risk a shinobi war.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Danzo is practically the greatest Konoha fanboy to date. His fanboyism cause the following.

1. Uchiha Clan massacre to protect Konoha.

2. Development of a underground assassination squad to protect Konoha.

3. Hides underground during Pain's attack to preserve militant force for Konoha as well as ensure he will be able to lead it.

4. Tried to manipulate the Kage-Summit arc to be in power... to ensure Konoha's stance.



Literally his every act was to make sure Konoha would be preserved, and that he'd be able to make decisions that would ensure it. It was to the point he was virtually using Pain to "cleanse," the village so that those who'd best guarantee it survives was alive.



Number One Konoha Fanboy: Danzo Shimura.

 

[KingHashirama]

Danzo is practically the greatest Konoha fanboy to date. His fanboyism cause the following.

1. Uchiha Clan massacre to protect Konoha.

2. Development of a underground assassination squad to protect Konoha.

3. Hides underground during Pain's attack to preserve militant force for Konoha as well as ensure he will be able to lead it.

4. Tried to manipulate the Kage-Summit arc to be in power... to ensure Konoha's stance.



Literally his every act was to make sure Konoha would be preserved, and that he'd be able to make decisions that would ensure it. It was to the point he was virtually using Pain to "cleanse," the village so that those who'd best guarantee it survives was alive.



Number One Konoha Fanboy: Danzo Shimura.

How does one become a konoha fanboy while being responsible for its destruction 3 times? I'm not following the concept here.

 

[Berimbolo No Jutsu]

Calm down. It's a filler

There it is :hyper: