Someone placed hiruzen last a put the word fodder in parenthesis next to his name...how is a guy fodder when he nearly defeated oro despite oro having 2 highly capable edo at his side not only was hiruzen old but still managed to defeat both edo at the same time and fight Oro on equal footing and heplaced tsunade ahead of him who just weeks later fought Oro and he was laughing at her and she couldn't even put a scratch on him and tobirama should be last he has less hype and feats than anyone all we seen himdo was his edo self made alot of paper bombs to no avail who's really fodder
Hiruzen is fodder man, don't deny the truth.
The fact that Orochimaru was toying with him and he put his all into it makes it funny.
Tsunade is also stronger as she actually improves and has excellent medical prowess not to mention she's capable enough to break a Susano'o qualifies her above Hiruzen..
All Hokage get brought back and they are preforming all these awesome techniques and skills and what does Hiruzen do? He throws Shuriken......he's fodder..