Hokage Naruto Can’t Enter So6p Mode

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

He's used Rikudo Sage Mode without any Bijuu chakra. The only thing Bijuu chakra + Rikudo chakra gives you is flight,TSBs and the ability to use different kinds of KKGs from the 9 Bijuus. Nothing states or shows he has lost RSM or any of the Bijuu chakra, other then fan opinions. His ability to fly and destroy TSBs in the last proves that he still has it, and that he is only using Kurama's chakra with it and not the other Bijuu. Not that hard to understand.

You cannot use sage mode with out senjutsu. Likewise you cannot use six paths sage mode without six paths senjutsu. Naruto at one point achieved six paths senjutsu. It was one of the conditions he had to meet inorder to used six paths sage mode.

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Naruto lost Six Path Senjutsu but he still has Six Path Sage Mode. Both techniques are related but still different. Six Path Sage Mode was actually given to him by Hagoromo like Ssuke getting the rinnegan, while Six path Senjutsu was the result of using all tailed beasts similar to a ten tails jinchuriki.

It's really not that hard to understand. The cross eyes are proof of Six Path Sage Mode, but things like truth seeking orbs are from Six Path Senjustu which he lost a long time ago.

You are correct about the difference between six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode, and I agree it’s not hard at all to understand. However, Naruto cannot currently enter six paths sage mode, and the reason is as you monetioned, he lost six paths senjutsu. A basic sage user needs senjutsu, a six paths sage user needs six paths senjutsu. Go figure.

Someone whom actually understands. Naruto's power is very simple, idk why people seemingly can't understand something so simple.

Some people believe six paths sage senjutsu and six paths sage mode are the same. When they aren’t exactly the same.

I...kinda agree, actually. But he still does have Rikudo chakra, so I wouldn't outright discard the possibility of him calling out on all nine Bijuu to back him up once again if it ever came down to it. Despite that though, I think the Bijuu Mode he has now might be actually stronger than RSM was back then. After all, half of Kurama took out five Bijuu almost casually. The two halves together should have just as much, if not more, power than all the Bijuu combined. That allows for less versatility, true, but in terms of sheer power, its definitely up there.

Naruto didn’t need hagoromo’s chakra to achieve six paths senjutsu the first time, and woundnt needit now. But he does have a good amount of six paths chakra, so it’s still a power boost. Since the last, naruto’ kurama mode uses full kurama, so it’s undoubtably stronger than its previous variant with only half kurama. But remember just to kick a tso requires a huge amount of chakra, more than kurama mode alone.

I read the entirety of the op in about 10 seconds and I understand what he is saying but disagree overall. The problem is clear, people simply don't know the difference between six paths sage mode(Naruto revived,the last, boruto) and six paths senjutsu(juubi jins,tsb,etc).

Naruto in the last and in boruto era wasn’t using six paths sage mode. Which is confirmed by the last guide book. Still, I agree some people don’t know what's different between the two. Some don’t even know how to identify six paths senjutsu, but I n their defense there isn’t a page in the databook dedicated to six paths senjutsu.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

Exactly and all of Naruto's RSM modes don't have those rings. RSM only has the SM eye pattern combined with Kurama's eye pattern and no rings around the eyes.

When has the manga stated or shown the importance of eyes for six paths senjursu? I know for a fact that the rings around the eyes are proof of basic sage mode. I can show you manga proof for that. But again six path senjutsu doesn’t follow the same indicatiors. The proof of it’s usage is shown in other ways, namely the rinnegan and 9 tomoe on the back. All jinchuriki of the juubi have it, and all jinchuriki of the juubi have six paths senjutsu. During the war, Naruto had both become the jinchuriki of the juubi(via the power of all biju) and had the rinnegan/ 9 tomoe on his back. Naruto had achieved six paths senjutsu.

 

[Rock Slayer]

You cannot use sage mode with out senjutsu. Likewise you cannot use six paths sage mode without six paths senjutsu. Naruto at one point achieved six paths senjutsu. It was one of the conditions he had to meet inorder to used six paths sage mode.



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You are correct about the difference between six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode, and I agree it’s not hard at all to understand. However, Naruto cannot currently enter six paths sage mode, and the reason is as you monetioned, he lost six paths senjutsu. A basic sage user needs senjutsu, a six paths sage user needs six paths senjutsu. Go figure.



Some people believe six paths sage senjutsu and six paths eaten mode are the same. When they aren’t exactly the same.



Naruto didn’t need hagoromo’s chakra to achieve six paths senjutsu the first time, and woundnt it now. But he does have a good amount of six paths chakra, so it’s still a power boost. Since the last, naruto’ kurama uses full kurama, so it’s undoubtably stronger than its previous variant with only half kurama. But remember just to kick a tso requires a huge amount of chakra, more than kurama mode alone.



Naruto in the last and in boruto era wasn’t using six paths sage mode. Which is confirmed by the last guide book. Still, I agree some people don’t know what's different between the two. Some don’t even know how to identify six paths senjutsu, but I n their defense there isn’t a page in the databook dedicated to six paths senjutsu.

You still don't get it, they may be related but they are not the same. Madara and Obito both had Six Path Senjutsu but no where was it stated that they had Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode indirectly uses Six Path Senjutsu, whether you believe it or not.

Six Path Senjutsu came from the combination of all tailed beasts chakras and Naruto lost all their chakras after his battle with Sasuke, except for Kurama of course. The cross eyes are proof of Six Path Sage Mode, he got it after receiving Hagormos chakra, same with Sasuke getting the rinnegan. Six Path Sage Mode doesn't need all tailed beasts chakras, it was a GIFT from Hagoromo himself.

 

[Guntah]

Naruto didn’t need hagoromo’s chakra to achieve six paths senjutsu the first time, and woundnt it now. But he does have a good amount of six paths chakra, so it’s still a power boost. Since the last, naruto’ kurama uses full kurama, so it’s undoubtably stronger than its previous variant with only half kurama. But remember just to kick a tso requires a huge amount of chakra, more than kurama mode alone.

You make it sound like the only reason he doesn't have a TSO is lacking chakra, which just doesn't make sense. Surely Kurama at its full can provide much more chakra than eight small pieces of other tailed beasts. I think he needs RSM to use the orbs, which is the only reason he doesn't have that now.

 

[jimbobbity]

Youre trying to hard to prove that he doesnt have it when hes literally shown it during the movie (albeit being in an obscure way).

Sometimes we just gotta take the L.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

When has the manga stated or shown the importance of eyes for six paths senjursu? I know for a fact that the rings around the eyes are proof of basic sage mode. I can show you manga proof for that. But again six path senjutsu doesn’t follow the same indicatiors. The proof of it’s usage is shown in other ways, namely the rinnegan and 9 tomoe on the back. All jinchuriki of the juubi have it, and all jinchuriki of the juubi have six paths senjutsu. During the war, Naruto had both become the jinchuriki of the juubi(via the power of all biju) and had the rinnegan/ 9 tomoe on his back. Naruto had achieved six paths senjutsu.

Yes and RSM do not have the rings that indicate that very same basic SM you're talking about.

Normal Basic SM:

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BSM(Normal Sage mode combined with KCM)

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RSM:

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As for the nine Tomoe and the rinnegan patterns you claim to be a requisite to indicate the use of RSM indicating the chakra of nine bijuus, you're wrong. Ashura didn't have any of the bijuu's sealed within him and he had RSM unless you could prove me wrong with manga scans that he did meet all the requisites you're claiming here. Not to mention Naruto has already shown the use of RSM without the use of the chakra cloak on when he kicked Madara's TSB.

Those nine tomoe and rinnegan pattern which you're claiming to be a requisite to indicate RSM only shows that he's using the chakra of all the nine bijuus along with his RSM chakra to form the chakra cloak. What people fail to understand is that RSM doesn't require the chakra of the nine bijuus but if the user has it then they can use it to enter their strongest RSM form which Naruto did in the war arc.

And Naruto has already shown the use of both BSM and RSM:

Here's his eye pattern from the last Naruto the movie when he used the BSM:

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And here's his RSM eye pattern from Boruto the movie:

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As I had said earlier in my first post in the thread, Naruto has a lot of chakra modes which varies depending on to what extent he's using his powers. The only reason we've not seen his strongest RSM mode is because he didn't need it after the war as he didn't face as big a threat as JJ Madara or Kaguya. Besides he also received another half of Kurama which doubled his chakra and powers.

TLDR: He's still got the RSM mode, but its appearance changes depending on what chakra he's using to form his chakra cloak.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

You still don't get it, they may be related but they are not the same. Madara and Obito both had Six Path Senjutsu but no where was it stated that they had Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode indirectly uses Six Path Senjutsu, whether you believe it or not.

Six Path Senjutsu came from the combination of all tailed beasts chakras and Naruto lost all their chakras after his battle with Sasuke, except for Kurama of course. The cross eyes are proof of Six Path Sage Mode, he got it after receiving Hagormos chakra, same with Sasuke getting the rinnegan. Six Path Sage Mode doesn't need all tailed beasts chakras, it was a GIFT from Hagoromo himself.

I know very well that six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode are not the same thing. I know that madara and obito during the war achieved six paths senjutsu. I also know Naruto did the same thing, he essentially became a juubi jinchuriki. Which grants it’s host six paths senjutsu, not six paths sage mode. The six paths sage mode was given to Naruto by hagoromo.

You make it sound like the only reason he doesn't have a TSO is lacking chakra, which just doesn't make sense. Surely Kurama at its full can provide much more chakra than eight small pieces of other tailed beasts. I think he needs RSM to use the orbs, which is the only reason he doesn't have that now.

Back during the war Naruto had way more chakra from each biju, he was shown using jutsu with each of their chakra. They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra, even his kurama half ran out. So to think he some how kept those pieces of biju chakra isn’t logical. He lost the chakra of the other 8 biju- no, he spent it. It was a price he had to pay to save Sasuke. And it worked. He can still get that chakra back, but until then six paths senjutsu isn’t possible for him.

Youre trying to hard to prove that he doesnt have it when hes literally shown it during the movie (albeit being in an obscure way).

Sometimes we just gotta take the L.

I’m not trying to prove he doesn’t have it. I know he has six paths sage mode. What I’ve proved is that Naruto no longer has six paths senjutsu. The difference between the two was explained in the above replies.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Back during the war Naruto had way more chakra from each biju, he was shown using jutsu with each of their chakra. They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra, even his kurama half ran out. So to think he some how kept those pieces of biju chakra isn’t logical. He lost the chakra of the other 8 biju- no, he spent it. It was a price he had to pay to save Sasuke. And it worked. He can still get that chakra back, but until then six paths senjutsu isn’t possible for him.

There's an issue here though. The requirement to undo the Infinite Tsukuyomi was that 'he who has the chakra of all nine Bijuu' and 'he with the Rinnegan' should form the rat hand seal, so either Naruto never lost the chakra, or he got more from the Bijuu after the fight with Sasuke

 

[jimbobbity]

There's an issue here though. The requirement to undo the Infinite Tsukuyomi was that 'he who has the chakra of all nine Bijuu' and 'he with the Rinnegan' should form the rat hand seal, so either Naruto never lost the chakra, or he got more from the Bijuu after the fight with Sasuke

Im sure it was stated that Naruto had traces of all 9 in him.

 

[Rock Slayer]

I know very well that six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode are not the same thing. I know that madara and obito during the war achieved six paths senjutsu. I also know Naruto did the same thing, he essentially became a juubi jinchuriki. Which grants it’s host six paths senjutsu, not six paths sage mode. The six paths sage mode was given to Naruto by hagoromo.




Back during the war Naruto had way more chakra from each biju, he was shown using jutsu with each of their chakra. They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra, even his kurama half ran out. So to think he some how kept those pieces of biju chakra isn’t logical. He lost the chakra of the other 8 biju- no, he spent it. It was a price he had to pay to save Sasuke. And it worked. He can still get that chakra back, but until then six paths senjutsu isn’t possible for him.



I’m not trying to prove he doesn’t have it. I know he has six paths sage mode. What I’ve proved is that Naruto no longer has six paths senjutsu. The difference between the two was explained in the above replies.

I'm glad you know. I was simply reiterating that Naruto may have lost Six Path Senjutsu but he still has Six Path Sage Mode which indirectly uses Six Path Senjutsu in a way.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

Im sure it was stated that Naruto had traces of all 9 in him.

Was that before or after the fight with Sasuke?

 

[jimbobbity]

Was that before or after the fight with Sasuke?

I think it was after the fight. Im sure that they said that theyd live across the world as they please, but that they, could always return to Naruto in times where its called for due to the chakra fragments.

Im too lazy to search for scans so ill leave it to someone else.

Edit: I feel like i might he wrong though so ill go searching for scans.

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I was wrong, it was before their battle. However using this chakra Naruto used Sage of Six Paths Senjutsu during his battle with Sasuke. If the OPs theory is right, this is either a contradiction on the series' part or he was able use up all of the fragmented chakra and lost it.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

I think it was after the fight. Im sure that they said that theyd live across the world as they please, but that they, could always return to Naruto in times where its called for due to the chakra fragments.

Im too lazy to search for scans so ill leave it to someone else.

I checked and I couldn't find anything. Wasn't that before the fight? The Bijuu (excluding Kurama) were never shown again after the final fight

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

There's an issue here though. The requirement to undo the Infinite Tsukuyomi was that 'he who has the chakra of all nine Bijuu' and 'he with the Rinnegan' should form the rat hand seal, so either Naruto never lost the chakra, or he got more from the Bijuu after the fight with Sasuke

So then Naruto’ clash with Indra Arrow + Releasing Infinite Tsukuyomi = No more six paths senjutsu.

Im sure it was stated that Naruto had traces of all 9 in him.

Correct, stopping Indra arrow may have left very little, but still present, biju chakra from 1-9 tails.

I'm glad you know. I was simply reiterating that Naruto may have lost Six Path Senjutsu but he still has Six Path Sage Mode which indirectly uses Six Path Senjutsu in a way.

He did lose six paths senjutsu yes, and now can only use kurama mode variants. As it states in the last guidebook.

Was that before or after the fight with Sasuke?

The first thing Naruto and Sasuke did when they stood up was release IT.

 

[Rock Slayer]

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He can use Six Path Sage Mode WITH Kurama mode varients

 

[jimbobbity]

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Very good point about releasing IT. Now im lost as to what to think.

 

[Guntah]

Back during the war Naruto had way more chakra from each biju, he was shown using jutsu with each of their chakra. They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra, even his kurama half ran out. So to think he some how kept those pieces of biju chakra isn’t logical. He lost the chakra of the other 8 biju- no, he spent it. It was a price he had to pay to save Sasuke. And it worked. He can still get that chakra back, but until then six paths senjutsu isn’t possible for him.

But even then he didn't have much Bijuu chakra there, now did he? After all, most of them were only used once individually, for the combo Rasenshuriken against Kaguya. The one he made most use of outside Kurama was Son Goku, who only provided two Lava Rasenshuriken. During the Sasuke fight, he didn't even directly call for any of the Bijuu's chakra chakra, yet once he used his Rikudo Rasenshuriken in the end, he was done for. In contrast, I doubt that equates to more chakra than full Kurama, which Momoshiki absorbs constantly for at the very least a full day after Naruto makes heavy use of into protect everyone in the stadium and afterwards is still able to fight in Bijuu Mode.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

He can use Six Path Sage Mode WITH Kurama mode varients

You can’t use six paths sage mode without its senjutsu. Once you understand that, it’ll all make more sense.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

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Yeah, you're right, I was only trying to point out that Naruto still had at least a little Bijuu chakra after the fight because you said, "They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra" What I don't understand though, is how the chakra got depleted so quickly. He only used them against Kaguya and to maintain Six Paths Senjutsu, even in his clash with Indra's Arrow, he didn't use their chakra.

 

[jimbobbity]

Yeah, you're right, I was only trying to point out that Naruto still had at least a little Bijuu chakra after the fight because you said, "They he went all in with their chakra when he stalemated Sasuke’ Indra arrow. After that Naruto got fully depleted on chakra" What I don't understand though, is how the chakra got depleted so quickly. He only used them against Kaguya and to maintain Six Paths Senjutsu, even in his clash with Indra's Arrow, he didn't use their chakra.

The thing is that after the fight Naruto must have had at least some of their chakra as he undid IT. Either that or he took some of their chakra off screen, which only supports that hed still have their chakra.