Hokage Minato vs The Gokage

[HNIC]

I'm done with the clone debate, and this isn't really the object of the topic, but just needed to put it somewhere

Just to say that when you're in KCM, you're temporarily shelving your own chakra to use the ones of the fox and during that moment, the fox eats your own chakra and for each clone you make, he eats a portion of them, which could make you die even quicker since without chakra you die, something that was particularly considered dangerous by Hachibi, saying he shouldn't underestimate the Kyubi who could devour every bit of his chakra despite his particularly high chakra reserves

That means that while in KCM, Minato's own chakra is sucked by the fox(at least was before they became partner in the "2 powers" chapter)

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Before it Minato just sent Juubi's Bijuudama(Bigger than something like Shinsuusenju) and did use a clone for Obito

Furthermore there is also a limit in chakra that you can take from the fox in this mode

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why not make a separate thread?

So when will this clone issue be addressed? I'm in the mood now and haven't seen any proof and legit reasoning to believe otherwise.

OT: I lke this post haha

Prince Charles that has nothing to do with the clone nonsense. That's a completely different subject

 

[Prince Charles]

Prince Charles that has nothing to do with the clone nonsense. That's a completely different subject

I know it's a different subject.. It was in regards to bogards post.

 

[HNIC]

I know it's a different subject.. It was in regards to bogards post.

Ok. Just was wondering why you addressed that and ignored my post disproving your scan.

I'll leave it alone doe :0 lol

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll try this one, those you'll probably agree just to prove a point. Thread "Obito who fought Minato" is wood release considered?? Ive never seen that before.

He used Mokuton prior to fighting Minato, so yes, obviously Mokuton is considered. Unless you have proof he couldn't use Mokuton.

No it was proven he can use clones alive, it was proven he knew the seals to clones. There are a lot if shinobi who know shadow clone, hell if i remember correctly, it was required in the academy. However, users dont use for reasons, one of the being chakra.

Oh my god.....why does everybody get clone jutsu confused with shadow clone jutsu? They teach CLONE JUTSU in the academy, not shadow clones, and the clone jutsu

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Chakra is no issue at all, given that people like Kakashi and

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that Team Minato fought are able to use Shadow Clones.

Km "helps with chakra" while yes...it sure does. Helping with chakra can grant one abilities to perform jutsu that would normally be take a toll on their chakra. Kakashi/kamui usage for example and plenty of others. So while Minato may have known the seals to perform shadow clones, this does not mean he has the chakra to perform multple. This can't be denied, proof has shown using kyuubi's chakra enhances ones abilities.

Read above, chakra is no issue nor does KCM improving jutsu have anything to do with the capability to make a clone. KCM has only been shown to make clones more durable, probably cause they are made by spending more chakra. Where did I even say he was going to use lots of shadow clones? He can use Shadow Clones and that's a fact.

-Summons Bunta.
-Teleports Kurama.
-Teleports Kurama's Bijuu Dama.
-Uses Rasengan and Hiraishin multiple times (Not as big a feat as the others)

Yet he can't make shadow clones? Please stop.

Sasuke. There was NO proof of a contact to us while MS Sasuke was present. I said until later chapters, hence AAoda, when we became aware of this. Regardless if what Kish pulls outta his ass for plot, from what we knew Sasuke at that point had no snake summonings and was no longer team snake. Ive never seen ppl say MS Sasuke using snakes unless thats under the conditiins

-Do you have any proof that his original snake contract was broken? No.

-Did he have time to make a contract after getting MS? No, cause he was at the Kage Summit and he was forced to stay in the hideout after his eye transplant.

-Don't bring plot into this.

@bold: Proof? It was never stated he lost his snake summonings, and him summoning Aoda is proof that he still had access to snake summonings. Nothing you say changes that fact.

I don't care what you've seen people say. MS Sasuke had a snake contract so he can summon snakes if he wanted. That's a fact.

 

[HNIC]

He used Mokuton prior to fighting Minato, so yes, obviously Mokuton is considered. Unless you have proof he couldn't use Mokuton.


Oh my god.....why does everybody get clone jutsu confused with shadow clone jutsu? They teach CLONE JUTSU in the academy, not shadow clones, and the clone jutsu

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Chakra is no issue at all, given that people like Kakashi and

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that Team Minato fought are able to use Shadow Clones.


Read above, chakra is no issue nor does KCM improving jutsu have anything to do with the capability to make a clone. KCM has only been shown to make clones more durable, probably cause they are made by spending more chakra. Where did I even say he was going to use lots of shadow clones? He can use Shadow Clones and that's a fact.

-Summons Bunta.
-Teleports Kurama.
-Teleports Kurama's Bijuu Dama.
-Uses Rasengan and Hiraishin multiple times (Not as big a feat as the others)

Yet he can't make shadow clones? Please stop.



-Do you have any proof that his original snake contract was broken? No.

-Did he have time to make a contract after getting MS? No, cause he was at the Kage Summit and he was forced to stay in the hideout after his eye transplant.

-Don't bring plot into this.

@bold: Proof? It was never stated he lost his snake summonings, and him summoning Aoda is proof that he still had access to snake summonings. Nothing you say changes that fact.

I don't care what you've seen people say. MS Sasuke had a snake contract so he can summon snakes if he wanted. That's a fact.

this post was prolonged for no reason. This post has not one ounce of proof, but rather personal explanation of why you think alive Minato performs clones.

half of my post you didnt seem to understand. I'm past your nonsense and have moved on to others now.

 

[Prince Charles]

this post was prolonged for no reason. This post has not one ounce of proof, but rather personal explanation of why you think alive Minato performs clones.

half of my post you didnt seem to understand. I'm past your nonsense and have moved on to others now.

His post was pretty detailed and did prove you wrong on some points... just saying

 

[NarutoIndra]

He used Mokuton prior to fighting Minato, so yes, obviously Mokuton is considered. Unless you have proof he couldn't use Mokuton.


Oh my god.....why does everybody get clone jutsu confused with shadow clone jutsu? They teach CLONE JUTSU in the academy, not shadow clones, and the clone jutsu

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Chakra is no issue at all, given that people like Kakashi and

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that Team Minato fought are able to use Shadow Clones.


Read above, chakra is no issue nor does KCM improving jutsu have anything to do with the capability to make a clone. KCM has only been shown to make clones more durable, probably cause they are made by spending more chakra. Where did I even say he was going to use lots of shadow clones? He can use Shadow Clones and that's a fact.

-Summons Bunta.
-Teleports Kurama.
-Teleports Kurama's Bijuu Dama.
-Uses Rasengan and Hiraishin multiple times (Not as big a feat as the others)

Yet he can't make shadow clones? Please stop.



-Do you have any proof that his original snake contract was broken? No.

-Did he have time to make a contract after getting MS? No, cause he was at the Kage Summit and he was forced to stay in the hideout after his eye transplant.

-Don't bring plot into this.

@bold: Proof? It was never stated he lost his snake summonings, and him summoning Aoda is proof that he still had access to snake summonings. Nothing you say changes that fact.

I don't care what you've seen people say. MS Sasuke had a snake contract so he can summon snakes if he wanted. That's a fact.

Don't even try. I already told him most of these and he simply ignores them and asks for a scan of Minato using it in base. Almost like saying Madara can't use Katon before he was edo because there are no scans to support it or Hashirama doesn't know how to sleep on a bed because there are no scans proving it. It is flawed logic, trying to teach him otherwise won't suffice by any means.

 

[Optimistic]

His post was pretty detailed and did prove you wrong on some points... just saying

Like he said he's moved on.Lol he's ascended from his past self.

 

[KidGamer65]

this post was prolonged for no reason. This post has not one ounce of proof, but rather personal explanation of why you think alive Minato performs clones.

half of my post you didnt seem to understand. I'm past your nonsense and have moved on to others now.

Exactly what I figured you'd do. People like you who take a similar stance always bitch out when they have nothing more to say due to them being completely proven wrong.

Don't even try. I already told him most of these and he simply ignores them and asks for a scan of Minato using it in base. Almost like saying Madara can't use Katon before he was edo because there are no scans to support it or Hashirama doesn't know how to sleep on a bed because there are no scans proving it. It is flawed logic, trying to teach him otherwise won't suffice by any means.

lmao, exactly. Idiots will be idiots I guess.

 

[HNIC]

His post was pretty detailed and did prove you wrong on some points... just saying

sounds like rubbish and him depending on wiki doesnt help lol

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hand seal...academy...clone...what was he saying again?

Exactly what I figured you'd do. People like you who take a similar stance always bitch out when they have nothing more to say due to them being completely proven wrong.

lmao, exactly. Idiots will be idiots I guess.

your post was a fail

the point you TRIED to say anything regarding clones

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[Ahmed1993]

Minato gets rolfstomped even in Bijuu Mode.

 

[Prince Charles]

nobody is worried about your anime debating circle lol. I am not in middle school.

regarding your fail post implying that Minato used clones previously. You don't remember all of a sudden? lmao please.

brb gotta handle something

I guess bro..

This isnt worth my time so ill just let you think you beat me.

 

[Bogard]

sounds like rubbish and him depending on wiki doesnt help lol

Spoiler

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hand seal...academy...clone...what was he saying again?

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See the difference? If not, then i don't know what to say anymore

 

[HNIC]

@ kidgamer after looking further into the clone/ shadow clone hand seals, they do appear different. Therefore, I can give you that.

As far as Minato, that remains the same

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See the difference? If not, then i don't know what to say anymore

Yes, I have acknowledged that. Again, why are people addressing Kidgamers post when you clearly decided to stop the discussion YOUR previous post.

 

[Bogard]

Yes, I have acknowledged that. Again, why are people addressing Kidgamers post when you clearly decided to stop the discussion YOUR previous post.

Simply because you're too slow and i have difficulties to explain things to slow members? But KidGamer is better in it, i'm sure he will come up with something for you to understand

 

[HNIC]

Simply because you're too slow and i have difficulties to explain things to slow members? But KidGamer is better in it, i'm sure he will come up with something for you to understand

I'm slow yet you wasting time quoting me? I'm sorry but if I feel someone isnt worth it I wouldn't even acknowledge them. Please stop, I've heard enough your trash as well.

Ive stop this to all three of you, yet you try to keep quoting me or others to prove something you can't prove yourself. Have a good day

 

[KidGamer65]

@ kidgamer after looking further into the clone/ shadow clone hand seals, they do appear different. Therefore, I can give you that.

As far as Minato, that remains the same

You mean the fact that you have no proof that he can't use Shadow Clones while alive? Or rather, no proof that KCM or Edo Tensei was needed for him to use clones in the first place? Cause that is all you have. Not even a real argument.

 

[HNIC]

You mean the fact that you have no proof that he can't use Shadow Clones while alive? Or rather, no proof that KCM or Edo Tensei was needed for him to use clones in the first place? Cause that is all you have. Not even a real argument.

We have no proof of Minato using shadow clone while alive. No proof of how many clones he can create w/o kyuubi and what they can perform.

 

[KidGamer65]

We have no proof of Minato using shadow clone while alive. No proof of how many clones he can create w/o kyuubi and what they can perform.

-Clones can perform the jutsu the original can. Manga fact. Not debatable.

-Minato showed the ability to use it when he was revived. To say he can't use it while alive requires proof that Edo Tensei or Kurama's chakra is what let him use clones at all, but there is no evidence let alone proof for that stance.

 

[HNIC]

-Clones can perform the jutsu the original can. Manga fact. Not debatable.

-Minato showed the ability to use it when he was revived. To say he can't use it while alive requires proof that Edo Tensei or Kurama's chakra is what let him use clones at all, but there is no evidence let alone proof for that stance.

Yes, we know they can perform the same jutsu, but are limited. Bogard's post explains this, no need for me to rephrase his post.

1) I acknowledged that he was aware of the ability prior to his death. However, the extent in which he can use clones while alive remains unknown.

2) I didnt say he couldn't use it. Kyuubi's chakra enhances one's ability to perform jutsu, we've seen Minato perform clones in KM/BM. Without this idk how many clones he can perform, if any at all nor the division of his chakra.

this is all been addressed in my previous post.