Hokage Kakashi takes a gauntlet

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1) yamato
2) Zabuza
3) Hidan -
Pretty hard battle here, Hidan is tricky
4) Asuma
5) Darui
- I would still say overall Kakashi is better even in this form
6) Alive old Hiruzen (RDS restricted)
7) Tsunade (Katsuyu restricted)
8) Mei
9) Base Jiraya (Summons restricted) - Restricting summons takes out almost his whole arsenal

@Bold he wins

This is adult Kakashi's weakest form so he definitely cant beat the kage level shinobi.
 

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In the last Mei was negging meteorites, but poor kakashi had to be rescued. That is proff of her scale.

? Well I haven't seen that shit nor do I really care about movies
 

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In the last Mei was negging meteorites, but poor kakashi had to be rescued. That is proff of her scale.

Mei was in The Last? And she had screen time? And she fought? Gotta see that shit!
 

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1) yamato - Kakashi Med diff
2) Zabuza - Kakashi Med to High diff
3) Hidan - Kakashi High diff
4) Asuma - Kakashi Med Diff
5) Darui - Kakashi High diff
6) Alive old Hiruzen (RDS restricted) - Kakashi High diff
7) Tsunade (Katsuyu restricted) - Tsunade High diff
8) Mei - Mei High diff
9) Base Jiraya (Summons restricted) - Kakashi High diff
 
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Why do people think Tsunade wins its a low diff fight Kakashi
 

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Please enlighten me on how she wins?

He has no way to kill her. He is never striking her head not that he knows he has to.
 
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He has no way to kill her. He is never striking her head.

How is he not? Tsunade gets outclassed in speed severely? He can easily appear behind her and slice her. Besides without Katsuyu she can't regrow limbs/reattach them so she gets dismembered
 

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How is he not? Tsunade gets outclassed in speed severely? He can easily appear behind her and slice her. Besides without Katsuyu she can't regrow limbs/reattach them so she gets dismembered

Kakashi gets outclassed in QCQ without his Sharingan, if he comes near her she one shots. Anything he has from long range is not killing her. And if he ever blows her heart out with raikiri its over as it wont even kill her and he wont be able to dodge a punch from her at that point.

Kakashi is just outclassed here. Its ridiculous to think he could kill her. Laughable that I even have to debate this. Only goes to show how much you underrate her but w/e.
 

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How is he not? Tsunade gets outclassed in speed severely? He can easily appear behind her and slice her. Besides without Katsuyu she can't regrow limbs/reattach them so she gets dismembered

He isn't blitzing Tsunade. No way. Not to mention the moment he engages her in CQC and they start trading hits, he gets negged by Ranshinshou, which requires nothing more but a simple touch.
 

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He isn't blitzing Tsunade. No way. Not to mention the moment he engages her in CQC and they start trading hits, he gets negged by Ranshinshou, which requires nothing more but a simple touch.

They wouldn't be trading hits..... His shunsin >>> Tsunade its literally him dancing around her.

Why do people think her speed is all that.


Edit- Wait this is without Sharingan in general? ......

****ing dumb ass restriction yeah he gets hit but its still a tough fight
 

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They wouldn't be trading hits..... His shunsin >>> Tsunade its literally him dancing around her.

Why do people think her speed is all that.


Edit- Wait this is without Sharingan in general? ......

****ing dumb ass restriction yeah he gets hit but its still a tough fight

Its hokage Kakashi. He doesnt have the sharingan anymore.
 

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Its hokage Kakashi. He doesnt have the sharingan anymore.

............................................

I was thinking Hokage Candidate Lol
 

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Scale of what? Her suitons are wrecked by Mud Wall, lava is easily avoided with pre cog and speed and mist can be evaded via headhunter and her garbage CQC stats including reaction and no way of sensing may just means she gets beat by that headhunter attack lml

Scale of her techs. Her water tech scale trumps madara's fire tech scale. An earth wall the size of a house isn't stopping a road wave.
 

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They wouldn't be trading hits..... His shunsin >>> Tsunade its literally him dancing around her.

Why do people think her speed is all that.


Edit- Wait this is without Sharingan in general? ......

****ing dumb ass restriction yeah he gets hit but its still a tough fight

Tsunade may not be the fastest out there, but neither is Kakashi tiers above her. Especially not Kakashi without Sharingan isn't going to 1shot Tsunade, since he has nothing to do it with. No Sharingan means no Raikiri and all it takes for Tsunade to start wrecking Kakashi is any sort of physical contact so she can use Ranshinshou.
 

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Tsunade may not be the fastest out there, but neither is Kakashi tiers above her. Especially not Kakashi without Sharingan isn't going to 1shot Tsunade, since he has nothing to do it with. No Sharingan means no Raikiri and all it takes for Tsunade to start wrecking Kakashi is any sort of physical contact so she can use Ranshinshou.

Yes, Yes I didn't realize

Pretty sure he stops at Hidan then tbh Lol
 

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Yes, Yes I didn't realize

Pretty sure he stops at Hidan then tbh Lol

This is very probable.

Or at Darui, though I'm not really familliar with him. Someone correct me if I'm overrating him.
 

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This is very probable.

Or at Darui, though I'm not really familliar with him. Someone correct me if I'm overrating him.

His jutsu are not really fast so they can be avoided. But his CQC is considerable
 

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Again, the issue for Kakashi here isn't so much that he can't keep up with Zabuza physically, because he can. The issue here is no intel fighting in mist, with no sharingan to help him react. Zabuza's already shown he can react to Kakashi's bunshin feints in the mist, as well. Just a really bad matchup here, IMO.

By the time he became Hokage he improved quite a lot.
If he doesn't feel safe within the mist he can use Doton to hide underground and let a number of shadow clones outside (and even underground) to do the job. He's got good options available and is much smarter than Zabuza. Even without intel he should come up with counters soon after the battle starts. I mean, that's his thing.
Back in the day it would've been risky to use all this because of his crippled chakra levels but that's no longer an issue. He can try anything now.

Nah, quite the opposite. I think Kakashi given time to train without his sharingan could be incredibly powerful. Probably a Hiruzen clone with the bunshin feints, ninjutsu prowess and the like. But it takes time to adjust, and me writing things he might be capable of doing post sharingan would simply be fanfiction.

But its possible to have an idea of how strong he is.
Considering he was thought of as Hokage material even before the war and later was elected (after losing the Sharingan), i'd say he's pretty much the same, minus genjutsu and pre cognition. This just means he needs to be more careful in battle, but at least can fight longer.

Again, he countered Zabuza's mist with the assistance of his sharingan, having full knowledge of what Zabuza can do in the mist. Can't keep looking over how important both of those aspects were.

His weakest version, yes. But Hokage Kakashi isn't the same Kakashi who fought Zabuza early in the manga.

That's true, but the issue here is Hidan isn't going to "show his cards" until he gets the scratch. He's going to keep going after Kakashi over and over and over until he gets the blood. Kakashi's only real hope here is getting him with a raiton bunshin, but the issue here is he might resort to thrusting through Hidan's heart with a raikiri or kunai, and as we know, Hidan wouldn't care, and it would be a wasted opportunity.

Even with a Raiton Shadow Clone. I doubt Hidan would be affected, judging from the amount of invulnerability he showcased, at best it should hurt and amuse him.
Without intel Kakashi definitely loses this one. I agree.

Darui and sharingan-less Kakashi are nearly clones of each other.

Ehh, i wouldn't go that far. I'd say Tsunade and Sakura are near the same, but Kakashi and Darui are actually very different.
But well, this is just a matter of opinion.

Asuma is quite underrated, IMO. He's got strength that allowed him to hold off Kisame using samehada, something Gai even struggled with, his fire ash is a really underrated technique, and he's got one of the most powerful futon techniques shown in the manga. Sadly he got put in one of the worst matchups in the series, being a CQC fighter with no intel against Hidan. Really wish we got to see more out of him, but oh well.

I think we saw enough to get a decent idea of how powerful he was. But even if you look at the way he is portrayed, i don't think i'd ever put him on the same level as Kakashi.
 
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