Hokage Kakashi takes a gauntlet

[Raykyryn]

Only loses to Zabuza

 

[LuckyMan]

He beats Yamato and Asuma for sure but I'm not sure about Zabuza and Hidan.

He certainly loses to 5 through 9.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

He loses to Darui, Tsunade, Hiruzen, maybe Mei, and maybe Jiraiya.

 

[ATD]

The dogs require Zabuza having Kakashi's scent on him, which requires drawing blood, and again, I'm not sure Kakashi can afford to let that happen here.
Sure, I guess, though you've got distance at 40 meters. Zabuza should for all intents and purposes be able to avoid it or counter in that distance.

Beast runner is pretty fast and doesn't require hand seals, while hidden mist jutsus does and every other ninjutsu of Zabuza, too.

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I don't see Zabuza dodging this in time.

Kakashi may handle the mist due to pakkun staying on his shoulder

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The blood was needed to finish Zabuza fast, but the nose of a ninjadog is very accurate, imo pakkun would smell Zabuza if he comes closer to Kakashi.

Another way would be hiding underground + spreading Kage bunshins who would search for zabuza, when one of them finds him he can vanish and the original gets the informations of the clone and would know Zabuzas spot.
It would be a battle of clone feints.
Even though Zabuza outsmarted Kakashi back in chapter 13, Kakashi improved in clone feints fooling opponents with dojutsus.

I underestimated the conditions and underrated Zabuza, but i think Kakashi is able to take this high diff.

I covered the clone feint part in my post above. Again, you're acting off the basis here that Hidan isn't going to be fighting back. Hidan's got some pretty impressive reflexes/reactions himself.

If Kakashi traps Hidan, shoves raikiri through his heart and thinks he's won, Hidan's got him just about right where he wants him. No intel is just ridiculous in fighting Hidan.

you could be right, but when Kakashi goes for the head after a clone feint it would be over.

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Now that he won't see the counter due to lacking the sharingan, Kakashi wont go with raikiri to the heart.
His clones can use raikiri without worrying about the counter due to being just clones, so hidan would hit a clone after getting heart stabbed and this would reveal his immortality.

Nothing to really argue about here.

Do you agree that he wins against Darui and Asuma due to the ability of making clones which either of them lacks ?

Hiruzen's stamina was upgraded in part 2, Meaning he's able to create 5 shadow clones and use all elements at once. I know edo's chakra replenishes, but it's not unlimited. Meaning his chakra reserves are no more than what he had alive, it would just replenish after being used, so his base chakra reserves are enough to pull that off, and the ET just replenished the chakra he used.

Kakashi only has the ability to use 3 elements(well, according to DB he has the ability to use all 5, but he's not used the other two in the manga), so Hiruzen can counter each one, Enma gives him the upper hand in CQC, Enma protects him from things like lightning beast, etc.

Where as Jiraiya has only shown Katon and Doton in the manga, which Kakashi hard counters with suiton and raiton. Jiraiya would be difficult because of his versatility, but with Kakashi's ability to counter everything in his arsenal, it's a bad match-up for JMan.

Its a bit cowardly, but Kakashi actually is able to dodge all of hiruzens elemental attacks via hiding like a mole.
Hiruzen won't track him when Kakashi is underground, a raiton clone would attack enma from beneath and another one Hiruzen.
Enma should fall for the trap and is killed after paralyzation.
Hiruzen may avoid it with his clones, but his chakra levels are lower than Kakashis, so he gets eventually outlasted.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think you're taking that too literally. Zabuza even notes that if he got close enough, Kakashi could use his sharingan genjutsu on him again, meaning there is a line of sight in close range. It's very short, but it's there. The scan I posted shows Kakashi seeing the kunai with his sharingan and reacting thanks to it.

If Kakashi could track Zabuza by himself with his nose, he would have done it in their fight rather than letting Zabuza damn near cut his chest open just to get his scent on Zabuza.

Bunshin feints is a fine tactic, however, Zabuza showed in their first encounter he can keep up with Kakashi's bunshin feints in the mist, even "out bunshin-feinting" Kakashi himself.

Actually zabuza says he keeps his eyes close, since he can't see through the mist anyways. He was fighting kakashi solely off of sound, kakashi was reacting off of sound, smell and air waves. So no.

Kakashi being able to find him dosen't mean he can tag him with raikiri, especially since his sharingan is useless, and he'd suffer from tunnel vision.

Kakashi isn't covering for team 7 and a civilian this time around.

 

[EZQ]

1) yamato - Kakashi wins
2) Zabuza - Zabuza wins
3) Hidan - Hidan wins
4) Asuma - Tough one, /50+50
5) Darui - Darui wins
6) Alive old Hiruzen (RDS restricted) - Hiruzen wins
7) Tsunade (Katsuyu restricted) - Tsunade wins
8) Mei - Mei wins
9) Base Jiraya (Summons restricted) - Jiraiya wins

 

[Selan]

Hokage Kakashi takes a gauntlet

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Intel: None

1) Yamato = Kakashi neg diffs. Dodges Mokuton, feints with a Kage Bunshin, Raiden blitz.
2) Zabuza = Suiton + Raiton ends him. Kakashi wins.
3) Hidan = Kakashi tricks him with a Raiton Kage Bunshin. Hidan is paralyzed and Kakashi cuts his head off.
4) Asuma = Kakashi schools him.
5) Darui = Kakashi is faster, better taijutsu, smarter, more versatile. Darui is good but Sharinganless Kakashi outperforms him.
6) Alive old Hiruzen (RDS restricted) = Kakashi wins mid/high diff.
7) Tsunade (Katsuyu restricted) = Kakashi wins mid diff. Kage Bunshin/Raiton Kage Bunshin feint followed by Raiden or Raikiri kunai decapitation.
8) Mei = Kakashi wins with Suiton: Daibafuku + Raiton: Raijuu Tsuiga combo. Or dodges her ninjutsu, then uses a clone to kill her from underground with Raikiri kunai.
9) Base Jiraya (Summons restricted) = Kakashi is faster, better taijutsu, smarter, more versatile. Doton: Yomi Numa is negged with Raiton advantage. Jiraiya can't fight on short range against Kakashi who has Raiden, Raijuu Tsuiga or Raikiri kunai to help his CQC with deadly attacks. Kakashi has Suiton to win Jiraiya's Katon and can add also Raiton, and with Doton can surprise him from underground. Kakashi wins mid/high diff.

Sharinganless Kakashi post War can still fight at mid kage level, he is not as deadly as before but he has still top notch base abilities, the best intellect and a great versatility. There should be also the Raiton: Shiden thing. It's unbelievable how people think as Sharingan Kakashi as a god and no Sharingan Kakashi as nothing special as Kakashi as a kid without any Sharingan was already a jonin at 10-12 years old and was competing with seasoned jonin. His skill is outstanding, even if he has no more hax. Just think how in a split second he could save him, Sakura and Obito from Kaguya's dimensional exchange. The Tsunade-level Sakura was helpless.

 

[LuckyMan]

Actually never mind. I'd give it to him that he can take Zabuza.

So he wins against Yamato, Asuma, and Zabuza. I want to say Hidan really bad too but with no intel, Kakashi slams Raikiri into his chest like Izumo and Kotetsu did but nothing happens and in that instant he impales Kakashis heart with his spike.

He can't win against Darui. I consider them equals but Darui has the edge because his chakras are bigger, and his techniques have better range. Kakashis most dangerous move (Raikiri) is countered with Daruis own Raiton sword/kunai etc and mass scale Laser Circus blows him up, he can't evade them all.

Hiruzen wins. His attacks are too large and powerful for Kakashi to evade or counter. Enma makes things worse as Kakashi will be easily bested in CQC then.

Tsunade beats him even without Katsuyu. CQC is his worst nightmare and thats what his core fighting revives around. Everything he throws is tanked. Bunshins feints are countered in sheer combat or by displacing them. Either he gets close and gets killed or attack from afar and loses to attrition.

Mei is a no brainer. Boil Mist over the battlefield melts him.

Jiraiya is another no brainer. Toad Mouth Trap ends him. Boss summons topple him.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

^Nothing leads me to believe darui has superior reserves, and Darui's techs are inferior to kakashi's. Lazer circus is useless.

 

[BLAZE]

clears upto 5 with intel

 

[Zavage10]

Hokage Kakashi takes a gauntlet

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Distance : 40 meters
Intel: None

1) Yamato = Kakashi neg diffs. Dodges Mokuton, feints with a Kage Bunshin, Raiden blitz.
2) Zabuza = Suiton + Raiton ends him. Kakashi wins.
3) Hidan = Kakashi tricks him with a Raiton Kage Bunshin. Hidan is paralyzed and Kakashi cuts his head off.
4) Asuma = Kakashi schools him.
5) Darui = Kakashi is faster, better taijutsu, smarter, more versatile. Darui is good but Sharinganless Kakashi outperforms him.
6) Alive old Hiruzen (RDS restricted) = Kakashi wins mid/high diff.
7) Tsunade (Katsuyu restricted) = Kakashi wins mid diff. Kage Bunshin/Raiton Kage Bunshin feint followed by Raiden or Raikiri kunai decapitation.
8) Mei = Kakashi wins with Suiton: Daibafuku + Raiton: Raijuu Tsuiga combo. Or dodges her ninjutsu, then uses a clone to kill her from underground with Raikiri kunai.
9) Base Jiraya (Summons restricted) = Kakashi is faster, better taijutsu, smarter, more versatile. Doton: Yomi Numa is negged with Raiton advantage. Jiraiya can't fight on short range against Kakashi who has Raiden, Raijuu Tsuiga or Raikiri kunai to help his CQC with deadly attacks. Kakashi has Suiton to win Jiraiya's Katon and can add also Raiton, and with Doton can surprise him from underground. Kakashi wins mid/high diff.

Sharinganless Kakashi post War can still fight at mid kage level, he is not as deadly as before but he has still top notch base abilities, the best intellect and a great versatility. There should be also the Raiton: Shiden thing. It's unbelievable how people think as Sharingan Kakashi as a god and no Sharingan Kakashi as nothing special as Kakashi as a kid without any Sharingan was already a jonin at 10-12 years old and was competing with seasoned jonin. His skill is outstanding, even if he has no more hax. Just think how in a split second he could save him, Sakura and Obito from Kaguya's dimensional exchange. The Tsunade-level Sakura was helpless.

Yeah! Completely unbiased...

 

[EliteKakashi]

Beast runner is pretty fast and doesn't require hand seals, while hidden mist jutsus does and every other ninjutsu of Zabuza, too.

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I don't see Zabuza dodging this in time.

40 meters should give Zabuza enough time to at least jump to the side/out of the way. The issue with that scan is Deva wasn't even going to try and dodge, he just stood still and ST'd it, so it's hard to compare a reaction feat for it.

Kakashi may handle the mist due to pakkun staying on his shoulder

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The blood was needed to finish Zabuza fast, but the nose of a ninjadog is very accurate, imo pakkun would smell Zabuza if he comes closer to Kakashi.

Potentially, though Kakashi decided against this strategy two different times against Zabuza, so I'm not sure how effective it would be. The nindogs seem to need some kind of scent to go off of first.

Another way would be hiding underground + spreading Kage bunshins who would search for zabuza, when one of them finds him he can vanish and the original gets the informations of the clone and would know Zabuzas spot.
It would be a battle of clone feints.
Even though Zabuza outsmarted Kakashi back in chapter 13, Kakashi improved in clone feints fooling opponents with dojutsus.

Kakashi has to be careful with that though, in case Zabuza is using a clone or multiple clones. Not to mention even if a clone did find the real Zabuza, he doesn't have to stay stationary. He can move around silently and Kakashi's intel and chakra will have gone to waste. Kakashi fooled people like Nagato by hiding in rubble. There's no rubble to hide in here, and again, Zabuza has shown he can track Kakashi's use of bunshins. Maybe in a scenario where he knocks Kakashi in to the water and Kakashi switches out then, he could pull something off, but it would be hard to do just standing in the mist.

you could be right, but when Kakashi goes for the head after a clone feint it would be over.

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Now that he won't see the counter due to lacking the sharingan, Kakashi wont go with raikiri to the heart.
His clones can use raikiri without worrying about the counter due to being just clones, so hidan would hit a clone after getting heart stabbed and this would reveal his immortality.

With no intel, it's hard to say if Kakashi would or wouldn't attack with just clones here. Just like vs Kakuzu, he might think he has the fight won so long as he can get the stab in. Pretty similar situation here.

And it's important to note that while Kakashi's chakra reserves are significantly better in the war-arc than the past, and the sharingan not draining him makes it even better, he can't make unlimited amounts of clones. They still split his chakra, especially the raiton clones. He's not extremely limited like he used to be, but he's not Naruto in terms of chakra. He still needs to be a little careful.

Do you agree that he wins against Darui and Asuma due to the ability of making clones which either of them lacks ?

Possibly so. It's a bigger issue for Asuma than it is Darui though.

Its a bit cowardly, but Kakashi actually is able to dodge all of hiruzens elemental attacks via hiding like a mole.
Hiruzen won't track him when Kakashi is underground, a raiton clone would attack enma from beneath and another one Hiruzen.
Enma should fall for the trap and is killed after paralyzation.
Hiruzen may avoid it with his clones, but his chakra levels are lower than Kakashis, so he gets eventually outlasted.

Hiruzen has knowledge of and can use every single technique in Konoha, and he's actually shown the ability to be able to sniff out multiple opponents at the same time when he was in the Bringer of Darkness technique, so he would likely be able to tell there's multiple Kakashis due to that.

In regards to Kakashi sneaking up on him with hiding like a mole, that doesn't work on high level opponents, as Itachi and Nagato both noted by being able to react each time. I know those were both "set up" techniques, but Kakashi's never shown the ability to actually defeat someone using that, except for Sasuke as a genin.

It's also important to remember that they're fighting right next to water. The second Kakashi goes underground(if Hiruzen sees it), he can move to water. Or if he does it once and Hiruzen wants to avoid it happening again, he moves to the water.

Another added asset to Hiruzen is he can tell what attack his opponent is going to use by just reading the handsigns, similar to a sharingan user. So anything Kakashi uses is getting countered or thrown back at him.

I question how badly the electricity would effect Enma's diamond-hard skin, but who knows.

Hiruzen has also shown to have the CQC ability to not only fight off Orochimaru with Kusanagi, but also maneuver and land explosive tags fighting both Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time, without them or Orochimaru ever actually noticing.

Actually zabuza says he keeps his eyes close, since he can't see through the mist anyways. He was fighting kakashi solely off of sound, kakashi was reacting off of sound, smell and air waves. So no.

Zabuza quite clearly states in your scan that the sharingan genjutsu can still be effective in the mist:

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And I've already shown Kakashi using his sharingan to react in the mist, so I have no clue why you're saying "no". It's already proven the sharingan still works in extremely close ranges in the mist.

Kakashi being able to find him dosen't mean he can tag him with raikiri, especially since his sharingan is useless, and he'd suffer from tunnel vision.

That's not where the issue of Kakashi's nose comes in. If Kakashi could track Zabuza in the mist by scent, he never would have been in any danger, as he already showed superiority in CQC with the sharingan. But he couldn't. I wasn't just referring to him finishing him off with raikiri.

Kakashi isn't covering for team 7 and a civilian this time around.

Nope, but that doesn't get rid of the fact that Zabuza kept track of Kakashi's bunshin feints in the mist, something no other character in this manga has accomplished.

 

[BLAZE]

Yeah! Completely unbiased...

Yeah dat list is 200% biased

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Zabuza quite clearly states in your scan that the sharingan genjutsu can still be effective in the mist:

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in the very same scan before he even says that he says the mist makes it useless. There's really no argument here. Him closing his eyes is just extra precaution cuz there's literally 0 reason for him to have them open. If Kakashi who has Sharingan has 0 visibility by his own admission then zabuza who has no sharingan has 0 visibility period, and since he's using sound there's no reason to even use sight.

And I've already shown Kakashi using his sharingan to react in the mist, so I have no clue why you're saying "no". It's already proven the sharingan still works in extremely close ranges in the mist.

But kakashi's statements contradict your claim. you're saying it's his sharingan that let him do that but zabuza made it clear how useless sharingan is in the mist.

That's not where the issue of Kakashi's nose comes in.

yes it is. No sight= slowed reactions,both zabuza and Kakashi were aware of this.

If Kakashi could track Zabuza in the mist by scent, he never would have been in any danger, as he already showed superiority in CQC with the sharingan.

with sharingan. Somthing that's useless when the mist is thick. It can't track, it can't use genjutsu and it can pick up details once the mist goes up. Using raikiri(lot of noise) when your opponent tracks via sound is useless, you're just giving yourself away.Couple that with 0 visibility and tunnel vision and you see why using raikiri even if he can track him is useless. He had to hold him down first.

But he couldn't. I wasn't just referring to him finishing him off with raikiri.

yeah he can. Unless you're saying he can't recognize the sent of his own blood that he put on Zabuza since their fight started, and if you say no you'll look like a dumbass since he confirmed being able to do it since GAIDEN.

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Nope, but that doesn't get rid of the fact that Zabuza kept track of Kakashi's bunshin feints in the mist, something no other character in this manga has accomplished.

I can safely say his clone games has improved since his fight with zabuza. Zabuza seeing it then dosen't mean he can see through it now especially given all the feats it's now gained.

 

[LuckyMan]

^Nothing leads me to believe darui has superior reserves, and Darui's techs are inferior to kakashi's. Lazer circus is useless.

Well Darui has way less panel time than Kakashi (actually he has less than anyone else in the list) so I used a combination of the feats he had, his portrayal, implications from the manga, and his DB info to come to that. I read a translation of his profile that claimed he had "overwhelming chakra" which isn't hard to believe considering his extensive usage of the Sage Tools and how all the Raikage have big chakras.

Again, Darui has less panel time so Kakashi has many more techniques but nothing he has is defeating Darui except Raikiri and the odds of that happening are slim to none because Darui has his own Raiton sword with much more reach to combat him there.

I wouldn't call Laser Circus useless. After the big one hit Ginkaku he wasn't shown until the next chapter so either he was enjoying the view from the bottom of the sea or he was recovering his blown up edo body.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well Darui has way less panel time than Kakashi (actually he has less than anyone else in the list) so I used a combination of the feats he had, his portrayal, implications from the manga, and his DB info to come to that. I read a translation of his profile that claimed he had "overwhelming chakra" which isn't hard to believe considering his extensive usage of the Sage Tools and how all the Raikage have big chakras.

He used the tools twice. Once to record kinkaku and again to take his soul. It's no better than tenten's double use. I'll like the db info tho. 4 later purposes.

Again, Darui has less panel time so Kakashi has many more techniques but nothing he has is defeating Darui except Raikiri and the odds of that happening are slim to none because Darui has his own Raiton sword with much more reach to combat him there.

dosen't kakashi have the executioners blade? Like it wasn't shown leaving his possession and he's proficient enough with it to take on the greatest generation of the mist swordsmen at the same damn time. Either way kakashi's been up against swordsmen/weapon users multiple times in the manga, from guy's nunchucks, to hidan's sythe.

I wouldn't call Laser Circus useless. After the big one hit Ginkaku he wasn't shown until the next chapter so either he was enjoying the view from the bottom of the sea or he was recovering his blown up edo body.

next chapter? More like next page. Darui hit him sealed his bro after said bro called his name(quick process) and then brother in question resurfaced.

 

[Zexion~]

Pretty sure Kakashi can clear this...

Headhunter can counter mist.

Base Jiraiya's only threat would be summons

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Pretty sure Kakashi can clear this...

Headhunter can counter mist.

Base Jiraiya's only threat would be summons

I sat he stops at mei, if the distance is good. Her scale is redonclous.

 

[Zexion~]

I sat he stops at mei, if the distance is good. Her scale is redonclous.

Scale of what? Her suitons are wrecked by Mud Wall, lava is easily avoided with pre cog and speed and mist can be evaded via headhunter and her garbage CQC stats including reaction and no way of sensing may just means she gets beat by that headhunter attack lml

 

[Zavage10]

Scale of what? Her suitons are wrecked by Mud Wall, lava is easily avoided with pre cog and speed and mist can be evaded via headhunter and her garbage CQC stats including reaction and no way of sensing may just means she gets beat by that headhunter attack lml

In the last Mei was negging meteorites, but poor kakashi had to be rescued. That is proff of her scale.