[Discussion] Hody Vs Lucci

[ZoroXTashigi]

Hang on... so you think... that Lucci wouldn't be completely destroyed by Luffy (who we know was able to defeat him by himself), zoro (probably able to tie with Lucci) and Sanji (probably an ultra high diff victory for Lucci), as well as 6 other competent fighters that we know work exceptionally well as a team... wouldn't be able to beat Lucci?

Pre TS Luffy beat Lucci with very high diff, so pre TS strawhats combined would beat Lucci, but Lucci not get annihilate. Usopp, Nami, and Chopper will died on the process to beat him.

Pre TS ...

Luffy > Lucci
Zoro < Lucci (Zoro need Ashura to bypass 2200 douriki [Kaku ], he didn't have feat that shown can bypass 4000 douriki [Lucci])
Sanji < Lucci
Franky << Lucci
Robin << Lucci
Chopper <<< Lucci
Nami <<< Lucci
Usopp <<< Lucci

 

[OG sama]

Pre TS Luffy beat Lucci with very high diff, so pre TS strawhats combined would beat Lucci, but Lucci not get annihilate. Usopp, Nami, and Chopper will died on the process to beat him.

Pre TS ...

Luffy > Lucci
Zoro < Lucci (Zoro need Ashura to bypass 2200 douriki [Kaku ], he didn't have feat that shown can bypass 4000 douriki [Lucci])
Sanji < Lucci
Franky << Lucci
Robin << Lucci
Chopper <<< Lucci
Nami <<< Lucci
Usopp <<< Lucci

Just because their weaker individually doesn't mean their going to have trouble as a team, the pacifista wasn't able to defeat not one of the straw hats when they worked together, so why would Lucci.

 

[OG sama]

Post TS Luffy beat a pacifista with single hit(Jet pistol). Same pacifista was stronger than M3 pre TS. It means that post TS Luffy can beat Lucci with single hit(Half of the hit'll be wasted) where as Hody took a lot of hits from much stronger attacks of Luffy. He gave hard time to Luffy even when they fought inside the bubble of Noah where there was no water. EL Lucci stands no chance against Hody but current Lucci might be stronger than Hody.

Agreed, there's no doubt in my mind that a hypothetical post TS Lucci would be stronger than Hody, but I doubt he will ever be as strong as Luffy again, unless he has SN level growth rate which is very possible.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

When someone talking about Luffy > Vergo ... and Vergo can beat Smoker around mid to high diff. They said Luffy cannot beat Smoker mid diff due to different fighting style. If you said ABC logic doesn't work, how you can so sure if Lucci cannot beat a Pacifista. Because, I can't see a Pacifista can land a hit to Lucci. Also I can't see a Pacifista still stand after getting a lot of attacks by Lucci (Luffy said his attack style work similar to Impact Dial, but much stronger). We aware that Pacifista have very strong surface body, but dunno about inside his body, because inside Pacifista body composed of cable.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Just because their weaker individually doesn't mean their going to have trouble as a team, the pacifista wasn't able to defeat not one of the straw hats when they worked together, so why would Lucci.

You aware Pacifista is slow.

 

[OG sama]

When someone talking about Luffy > Vergo ... and Vergo can beat Smoker around mid to high diff. They said Luffy cannot beat Smoker mid diff due to different fighting style. If you said ABC logic doesn't work, how you can so sure if Lucci cannot beat a Pacifista. Because, I can't see a Pacifista can land a hit to Lucci. Also I can't see a Pacifista still stand after getting a lot of attacks by Lucci (Luffy said his attack style work similar to Impact Dial, but much stronger). We aware that Pacifista have very strong surface body, but dunno about inside his body, because inside Pacifista body composed of cable.

You aware Pacifista is slow.

Well yeah, but I don't see him getting close to long range fighters like Robin, Usopp, and Nami with people of comparable speed like Luffy around.

And I agree, matchup does matter sometimes.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Well yeah, but I don't see him getting close to long range fighters like Robin, Usopp, and Nami with people of comparable speed like Luffy around.

And I agree, matchup does matter sometimes.

Yups, but Luffy can't always activate G2, and only G2 which can follow Lucci's soru, not to mention Lucci can easily use Geppo to fly, when that happen ... Lucci only need one attack to kill Nami.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Pre TS Luffy beat Lucci with very high diff, so pre TS strawhats combined would beat Lucci, but Lucci not get annihilate. Usopp, Nami, and Chopper will died on the process to beat him.

Pre TS ...

Luffy > Lucci
Zoro < Lucci (Zoro need Ashura to bypass 2200 douriki [Kaku ], he didn't have feat that shown can bypass 4000 douriki [Lucci])
Sanji < Lucci
Franky << Lucci
Robin << Lucci
Chopper <<< Lucci
Nami <<< Lucci
Usopp <<< Lucci

Lets just upscale this a bit...

So you've got Whitebeard who would ultra-high diff a Admiral at Marineford, right?

Imagine there are now THREE Admirals. He would get raped. Same goes for Lucci against the M3

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Lets just upscale this a bit...

So you've got Whitebeard who would ultra-high diff a Admiral at Marineford, right?

Imagine there are now THREE Admirals. He would get raped. Same goes for Lucci against the M3

It's different ... because Akainu = Kuzan = Kizaru (they are only separated with a single hair), but Luffy > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Robin > Chopper > Nami > Usopp (about like that) . Not to mention, Admirals have feat that shown they aren't slower than WB and have ability to injured him. Actually If M3 Vs Lucci ... will be better than whole strawhats Vs Lucci, because they don't need to protect weak person (Chopper, Nami, Usopp). You aware, Lucci only need to kill one person to mess up their team work. Even Zoro know it better...

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[giostep]

My2Cent

Lucci > Hody
I think that Luffy could have beaten Hody much, much quicker if it weren't for the fact that he was underwater for a decent amount of time. IF the fight is on land, with lucci, and there is no water insight I think that Hody what end up taking so many body shots its not even funny, and luffy takes his sweet time fighting sometimes. Also keeping in mind that only thing that saved Luffy vs Lucci was his will power and being inspired by Ussop. If ussop didnt show up or if he didnt have the will power that he has Lucci would have won that fight and probably go kill the rest of the straw hats for beating his team. Like plenty of people have mentioned previously Lucci would super low dif Ussop, Nami, Brook, and probably chopper (if he doesnt go yeti on him, and even then i give it to lucci low dif), Robin also wouldnt be much of a problem, his only problem vs the entire strawhat crew would be fighting Sanji, Zorro, and Luffy, but that issue kinda goes away once he takes out 1 or 2 of the weaker members.