[Discussion] Hody Vs Lucci

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Maybe this is just me, but I think the guy that could at least somewhat fight with Luffy post-time skip should be able to beat the enemy from like a solid while prior to the time skip. That wouldn't be very good progression of the enemies otherwise..
 

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It seems that people believe that just because opponents appear after the time skip their stronger then pre time skip. I don't like that kind of logic. I want people to pay attention to characters as an individual along with their techniques , strengths and weaknesses , including how they effect their opponent. Like Lucci is the only non logia character in the whole manga who was able to take luffy near death using nothing but brute strength. Hody wasn't able to take luffy to that limits. He took power up drugs ... Lots of them. And majority of their battle luffy was handicapped , being a DF user under water. Not to mention Hody is stronger in water (another advantage in his favor). But luffy still beat him , if you look again he didn't get any scars in that battle and luffy didn't shed any blood either. So i'm having a hard time believing that Hody > Lucci. Even though this thread does ask for opinions.
 
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It seems that people believe that just because opponents appear after the time skip their stronger then pre time skip. I don't like that kind of logic. I want people to pay attention to characters as an individual along with their techniques , strengths and weaknesses , including how they effect their opponent. Like Lucci is the only non logia character in the whole manga who was able to take luffy near death using nothing but brute strength. Hody wasn't able to take luffy to that limits. He took power up drugs ... Lots of them. And majority of their battle luffy was handicapped , being a DF user under water. Not to mention Hody is stronger in water (another advantage in his favor). But luffy still beat him , if you look again he didn't get any scars in that battle and luffy didn't shed any blood either. So i'm having a hard time believing that Hody > Lucci. Even though this thread does ask for opinions.
i absolutely second this U_U
 

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It seems that people believe that just because opponents appear after the time skip their stronger then pre time skip. I don't like that kind of logic. I want people to pay attention to characters as an individual along with their techniques , strengths and weaknesses , including how they effect their opponent. Like Lucci is the only non logia character in the whole manga who was able to take luffy near death using nothing but brute strength. Hody wasn't able to take luffy to that limits. He took power up drugs ... Lots of them. And majority of their battle luffy was handicapped , being a DF user under water. Not to mention Hody is stronger in water (another advantage in his favor). But luffy still beat him , if you look again he didn't get any scars in that battle and luffy didn't shed any blood either. So i'm having a hard time believing that Hody > Lucci. Even though this thread does ask for opinions.
You clearly don't know the extent to which they all grew throughout the timeskip... Usopp (yes, Usopp) could defeat the entirety of the pre-TS Strawhats.

Keep in mind Usopp is basically fodder now, always has been and always will be.

The whole crew barely defeated one Pacifista (way after Ennies Lobby, they had even grown in strength between EL and SA arcs). Now, the M3 can one shot Pacifista's without even using Busoshoku Haki to the point where it's visible.

Hody Jones (even before doping) was very much around the same level of a Pacifista (pre TS strawhats combined would struggle to defeat him, pre TS strawhats combined would annihilate Lucci).

It's not a matter of logic but a matter of fact that in the New World, enemies will be stronger than in Paradise.
 

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You clearly don't know the extent to which they all grew throughout the timeskip... Usopp (yes, Usopp) could defeat the entirety of the pre-TS Strawhats.

Keep in mind Usopp is basically fodder now, always has been and always will be.

The whole crew barely defeated one Pacifista (way after Ennies Lobby, they had even grown in strength between EL and SA arcs). Now, the M3 can one shot Pacifista's without even using Busoshoku Haki to the point where it's visible.

Hody Jones (even before doping) was very much around the same level of a Pacifista (pre TS strawhats combined would struggle to defeat him, pre TS strawhats combined would annihilate Lucci).

It's not a matter of logic but a matter of fact that in the New World, enemies will be stronger than in Paradise.
U_U ...
 

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You clearly don't know the extent to which they all grew throughout the timeskip... Usopp (yes, Usopp) could defeat the entirety of the pre-TS Strawhats.

Keep in mind Usopp is basically fodder now, always has been and always will be.

The whole crew barely defeated one Pacifista (way after Ennies Lobby, they had even grown in strength between EL and SA arcs). Now, the M3 can one shot Pacifista's without even using Busoshoku Haki to the point where it's visible.

Hody Jones (even before doping) was very much around the same level of a Pacifista (pre TS strawhats combined would struggle to defeat him, pre TS strawhats combined would annihilate Lucci).

It's not a matter of logic but a matter of fact that in the New World, enemies will be stronger than in Paradise.
(Bold) What manga you've read? O_O
 

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It seems that people believe that just because opponents appear after the time skip their stronger then pre time skip. I don't like that kind of logic. I want people to pay attention to characters as an individual along with their techniques , strengths and weaknesses , including how they effect their opponent. Like Lucci is the only non logia character in the whole manga who was able to take luffy near death using nothing but brute strength. Hody wasn't able to take luffy to that limits. He took power up drugs ... Lots of them. And majority of their battle luffy was handicapped , being a DF user under water. Not to mention Hody is stronger in water (another advantage in his favor). But luffy still beat him , if you look again he didn't get any scars in that battle and luffy didn't shed any blood either. So i'm having a hard time believing that Hody > Lucci. Even though this thread does ask for opinions.

Post TS Luffy beat a pacifista with single hit(Jet pistol). Same pacifista was stronger than M3 pre TS. It means that post TS Luffy can beat Lucci with single hit(Half of the hit'll be wasted) where as Hody took a lot of hits from much stronger attacks of Luffy. He gave hard time to Luffy even when they fought inside the bubble of Noah where there was no water. EL Lucci stands no chance against Hody but current Lucci might be stronger than Hody.

 

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(Bold) What manga you've read? O_O
Hang on... so you think... that Lucci wouldn't be completely destroyed by Luffy (who we know was able to defeat him by himself), zoro (probably able to tie with Lucci) and Sanji (probably an ultra high diff victory for Lucci), as well as 6 other competent fighters that we know work exceptionally well as a team... wouldn't be able to beat Lucci?
 

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Post TS Luffy beat a pacifista with single hit(Jet pistol). Same pacifista was stronger than M3 pre TS. It means that post TS Luffy can beat Lucci with single hit(Half of the hit'll be wasted) where as Hody took a lot of hits from much stronger attacks of Luffy. He gave hard time to Luffy even when they fought inside the bubble of Noah where there was no water. EL Lucci stands no chance against Hody but current Lucci might be stronger than Hody.

This is why Hody wins.
 
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