History shows evolution doesn't value intelligence it just values resilience

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Hitler did. I don't really like the term race to begin with,
He failed

but he also said that people shouldn't mix with lower races meaning like americans mixing with native americans etc.
The most ironic shit I've heard, Real Americans = native Americans
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Blah couldn't care less. If, in long run, kids of my kids of my kids of my kids to n degree, a few century later, don't have to be born to read posts in red font, I cannot really envy them can I?
Actually flip the coin then it's true, the red fonts won't be there to school logic into your kids who will be left in this hell hole as their ancestor failed to make sense of a simple mathematics relation
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You give a shit because "life seems to exist only to exist longer".


I don't agree with this, dawg. :sdo:

As fiddle as your objection is but yeah all will perish eventually. I was using in comparison notions... e.g

"Z = Q = R = infinite, where Z = integers, Q = rational numbers, R = reals number but you know Z ⊂ Q ⊂ R and Z < Q < R :sdo:"

So as we know all will perish but we know the time it took the other to perish may be metaphorically used as "never" to the other...
Ayy, hol' up!

Z, Q and R are called sets in this context. Sure they are infinite, but that doesn't mean the subset of infinite is finite. Think of it like infinite dimensions inside a dimension, which itself is a part of infinite dimension.

And "Z < Q < R" doesn't make sense unless you are talking about number of elements in the sets.


Blah couldn't care less. If, in long run, kids of my kids of my kids of my kids to n degree, a few century later, don't have to be born to read posts in red font, I cannot really envy them can I?
>n degree
Wew, lad. You sure don't know how arithmetic series works.
 

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Actually flip the coin then it's true, the red fonts won't be there to school logic into your kids who will be left in this hell hole as their ancestor failed to make sense of a simple mathematics relation
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Amen. What kind of person I would be to be sad over prospects of my great grand kids surviving. Seeing you already missed that I was not discussing maths and it was long winded but lame reply to a vague but small philosophical comment, it will work out just fine too. :p

You forget to take a lot of factors in to account other than breeding by some supposed dumb people. People who are designated as intelligent, often have a lot of things going for them as they were growing up. From the point they were conceived. Enough healthy food, quality education, etc. There is no guarantee that they will raise their children to be the best. Kids may get spoiled or grow up to have a lot of complexes because of parents' perfectionism. Then there are different levels of intelligence and also there is no way to determine that who will fall into which category given the same conditions. Maybe you are developing them in lab using specific genes only - even then we don't know how it will end in the long run. Even twins aren't always alike in nature and talents.

If IQ improvement due to environment factor stopped happening them of course you may have a problem. They say our grandparents had lower IQ than us and builders of some of the mighty ancient civilization are also seen as stupid by today's standards.

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>n degree
Wew, lad. You sure don't know how arithmetic series works.
More like not interested in irrelevant arguments/distractions as long as you get the gist. Can't be bothered to argue irrelevant points.
 
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Ayy, hol' up!

Z, Q and R are called sets in this context. Sure they are infinite, but that doesn't mean the subset of infinite is finite. Think of it like infinite dimensions inside a dimension, which itself is a part of infinite dimension.

And "Z < Q < R" doesn't make sense unless you are talking about number of elements in the sets.
bruh this is a simple mathematics paradox :sdo:

Z < Q < R

because starting with Z:

How many Z between 1≤ X ≤10 where X element of Z?
answer is 10!
How many Q between 1≤ X ≤10 where X element of Q?
answer is infinite
What forms R?
answer is both Q and Q' form R and both are infinite :sdo:

meaning even though Z is infinite, Q is infinite and R is infinite, R is still > others as they are STRICTLY ⊂ of R. Meaning infinite = infinite while infinite < infinite etc (paradox)

A good example of this is:

lim x→0 f(x) = 1/x = infinite :sdo:
still lim x→0 f(x) = 1/x² = infinite too :sdo: the difference being this one "gets" to infinite much quicker
 

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in the United States, where is intelligence valued? I'm not talking about social intelligence, but actual scientific intelligence. I only hear and see women thrusting themselves on attractive people. Attractiveness is seen as valuable.

Demographics change. First generation and second generation immigrants fertility patterns also change. Education from second generation and cultural assimilation also changes them from first generation. and so on and so on. until, the only observable difference is that they don't look white, but act white. (white as in western behavior.)

The US graph you showed looks very skewed. Remember that "facts" are just bias representations. Especially when it comes to charts, graphs. etc. It fails to show other variables, which kinda makes this look alarming. If you have taken any statistical/marketing classes, you would no.

Survival of the fittest means those who are more able/likely to reproduce win. So, whites are dying. Not because they are weak, but because their behavior, the way they survive, does not match the natural world. If you are white, start knocking up as many white women as possible. Every white girl, get pregnant. and as many times as possible. This sounds kinda stupid to me. But, that is what some people seem to be thinking when this comes up. Remember, western thought is about the individual. Why would they give a sh#t about other generations? That ideology is etched in their brain. Someone coming up and saying we need to do something to change this is contradicting the very "I only matter" process that makes western culture so great. So they come up as nationalist. Progress fuels innovation. not the other way around.

Evolution is not directional. When are people going to learn this? This is basic middle school level stuff. White culture is "destroying" whitedom because they teach their children not to have excessive children. But, this will be taught to immigrants as well because white culture is just western thinking. An equilibrium will be seen. The only difference is that there will be more "colored" people in the demographic. But, realistically, there aren't enough white people to survive forever. world wide, they are a minority. Thanks to globalization, it was bound to happen. Of course they can just isolate themselves but that is just as dangerous evolutionary because they will not compete.

The fear that i see, is that they see whites disappearing. So the f#ck what? They will live on in the next hybrid generation. Just like every other ethnicity. Mixing different groups only makes the whole stronger. Until there is no diversity anymore and that's when it's becomes dangerous again. But realistically, that cannot happen thanks to the sheer number of humans. there will always be variants.
 
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True. Unfortunately nature isn't perfect.
If it actually valued intelligence, this planet would be a lot better and way more healthy place for every living organism.
 

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If everyone was intelligent then there be no value for intelligence while it's true in nature ones breed more have more evolutionary advantage but humans have been ever defying nature's laws ( this might even bring the doom on us far earlier than we expect ) and it's our intelligence ( comparison to other animals ) make us so successful as the dominant species of this planet .
 
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The poor have more kids and people in developed countries with jobs, social life, etc, don't have kids as much, we know this. It's not a matter of the unintelligent being able to produce more, it's that the intelligent don't want to.

Evolution doesn't value anything, you're just personifying it. Also, there is nothing to win, if so, we'd be competing against bugs. Humans don't and shouldn't value our worth with how much we can reproduce, that's retarded (I'm talking about your 'evolutionarily superior' nonsense. We value being happy with our lives and setting our future children/their children for happiness.

In the long run, too many people hurts everyone so it's important that we educate the poor so we won't have many kids.
 
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When species breed a lot and they don't have natural enemies they exhaust resources. I There has been instances when some animal got into an island and it did have any natural enemy it outbred everything else and infested island but then ended up dying because all the food is gone.
basically


Those people breeding like rabbits results in war for resources and famine which in turns settles population. They stay barbaric premitive without any development. Also adding being religious nuts they will keep going backward. Plebs breeding like rabbits is a huge problem for developing nations. Muslims or anyother religion can outbreed the whole planet and remove all kuffars turning this planet into wartorn shithole with full of NPCs but that will make them go extinct by some disease. That is not good for anyone may be except people who believe in afterlife, not even them since there is nt one .

Intelligence is better for us. Evolution is not conscious thing, not everything is going to be in our favor. We have limited resources. Intelligent people can manage and build prosperous state that helps humanities survival, at least longer than idiots and definitely intelligence is the only thing that is going to help humanity out of earth.
 
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In 1996 Richard Lynn, the guy who’s been the single most prolific data collector on the topic of population differences in cognitive ability (though you are more likely to know him as that White Supremacist scientist via the media even though ironically Lynn has been reporting the higher average intelligence of NE Asians and the Ashkenazim compared to Whites for the past 30 years, but hey since when do leftists read the people whose work they smear?), wrote “Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations” where, in his usual style, he does nothing but permit the data to speak for itself.

And the data shows that despite a rise in phenotypic intelligence (aka the Flynn effect, which I should add has now come to an end in northern Europe and I suspect will for the rest of the developed world shortly after), genotypic intelligence has been declining for the past few centuries (and the Flynn effect has been masking this decline).

As the data shows, not only are more intelligent populations (Ashkenazi Jews, Europeans and NE Asians) undergoing rapid demographic decline because of low fertility - but this negative correlation between genotypic IQ and fertility holds true broadly for all populations. Liberals who point out that this is mediated by education as usual conflate cause and effect and ignore genetics as a possible confounder – yes, the more educated have less children but all the evidence (which now includes genome studies) indicates that the more educated are, on average, also innately more intelligent than the less educated.

A few months ago, Wang et al published a paper in which they estimated that because of dysgenic fertility, the Chinese in China are losing an average of 0.31 IQ points per decade (again this is genotypic ability, masked by the environmentally mediated Flynn effect).



Within the third world too for a while now, the more intelligent have less children. Richard Lynn documents dysgenic fertility with respect to cognitive ability in the Middle East, South Asia, Latin America and even the parts of Africa for which pertinent data was available.

Given this broad universality of dysgenics regards intelligence across modern human populations, it seems likely that its nature is probably partially genetic in origin, too. We know that the more intelligent are prone to ‘high-investment’ parenting where they have fewer children but invest much more resources in those few children they have, as opposed to having dozens of children living under the poverty line courtesy of the welfare system.

At the end of his sequel to Dysgenics (his Eugenics: A Reassessment, 2001), Lynn makes a prediction which I think might turn out to be prophetic. He predicts that the Chinese will develop and use, at the very least, embryo-selection for increased intelligence (he correctly estimates that if enforced nationally, a standard deviation per generation of selection is possible). The technology for much more than simple embryo-selection is already here – all we’re waiting for is decoding the genetic architecture of cognitive ability (as of 2016, we have 10% of the theoretically maximal 80% of the variance attributable to genes).

But here is Lynn’s extraordinary discerning basis for his prediction: he says that the western world, due to the leftist polluted culture and politics, will not make use of technology based eugenics. In line with his prophesy, aside from the fact that leftist scientists have been calling for a ban to IQ research for decades now, there is now serious talk in the western scientific community of putting a moratorium on things like GWAS, CRISPR etc. And just as Lynn predicted, the Chinese pay no head – China currently has the only lab in the world dedicated to the express purpose of cognitive genomics (in the Beijing Genomics Institute) and recently, without an inch of hesitation the Chinese used CRISPR on human embyros.

The rest of the third world will of course lack the resources for any of this at any significant scale so it’s either the Chinese (or, perhaps, the Israelis but you never know with the Jewish religious fanatics there) or some other East Asian country or no one.

Even with simple embryo-selection, a standard deviation gain in cognitive ability per generation is possible. In 2 generations, whichever populations makes use of embryo-selection will have their average citizen more intelligent than 98% of the current developed world, and their bottom 2% as intelligent as the average citizen of the current developed world. That is probably similar to something like the difference between homo sapiens and one of those archaic members of genus homo.

The alternative is basically the end of modern civilization, at least to the standards of the developed world today - for the sustaining of the modern technology-information based world requires a certain population distribution of cognitive ability.
 
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Smarter people breed less because they actually know what it takes to raise a child. Oh, and this world is overpopulated by humans, so much so that we really are contributing to global warming and the mass extinction of other species. I don't think we need more humans crowding up the place, especially since the majority end up being dumb as hell (thanks to the dumb parents) and broke bastards who bring the economy down with them.

On a positive note... our Earth has been pumping out life for billions of years, and will continue to do so (long after we're extinct) for another 5 billion years, then the sun will start to run out of hydrogen (die), expand into a red giant and completely engulf Earth. Fin!
 
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The poor have more kids and people in developed countries with jobs, social life, etc, don't have kids as much, we know this. It's not a matter of the unintelligent being able to produce more, it's that the intelligent don't want to.

Evolution doesn't value anything, you're just personifying it. Also, there is nothing to win, if so, we'd be competing against bugs. Humans don't and shouldn't value our worth with how much we can reproduce, that's retarded (I'm talking about your 'evolutionarily superior' nonsense. We value being happy with our lives and setting our future children/their children for happiness.

In the long run, too many people hurts everyone so it's important that we educate the poor so we won't have many kids.
You missed the point by a long mile. It was never about what humans value nor what is "really valuable". It is about what actually happens. Happiness, intelligence etc are all just traits that wont do anything to keep an active species. You read my post in a sentimental manner instead of scientifically manner.
You come and mix stuff as naive "happiness etc" with a evolutionary dynamics. UTTER disappointment. Secondly no one personified evolution, I just looked at it's behavior, something science does "learns behaviors of natural phenomenons" E = MC^2 would be a f*cking useless equation if your "logic" unpersonification was a mentality among the scientists.
 

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When species breed a lot and they don't have natural enemies they exhaust resources. I There has been instances when some animal got into an island and it did have any natural enemy it outbred everything else and infested island but then ended up dying because all the food is gone.
basically


Those people breeding like rabbits results in war for resources and famine which in turns settles population. They stay barbaric premitive without any development. Also adding being religious nuts they will keep going backward. Plebs breeding like rabbits is a huge problem for developing nations. Muslims or anyother religion can outbreed the whole planet and remove all kuffars turning this planet into wartorn shithole with full of NPCs but that will make them go extinct by some disease. That is not good for anyone may be except people who believe in afterlife, not even them since there is nt one .

Intelligence is better for us. Evolution is not conscious thing, not everything is going to be in our favor. We have limited resources. Intelligent people can manage and build prosperous state that helps humanities survival, at least longer than idiots and definitely intelligence is the only thing that is going to help humanity out of earth.

Interestingly if you ever did biology in university even High school you'll learn about population curves. Usually a species with no natural enemy first explode in f(x) = a^x for some constant a. Then after vanquishing the resource they eventual follow what's called a equilibrium stagnant s curve(Where there are just enough numbers and birthrates to fit the situation). Only microbes out breed themselves to death only in an exponential curve(surprisingly humans seem to be breeding in this manner, something never seen in non microbes)...
 
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