[Discussion] History of Kaguya

[Snow eYe]

So if the manga is ending in 2 chapters how come we don't get a backstory on Kaguya and why she needed an army as well as a clear explanation about the history of the Byakugan and how she got it but just the history of what happened in that time in general cause it seemed like Hagoromo didn't even know what was happening behind the scenes with Black Zetsu.
Also we barely know anything about Hagoromo's brother and what happened to him

I thought the main point of the entire series was about Naruto and his dream to become Hokage, with the new movie coming out clearly he doesn't become Hokage so obviously the manga's gonna end with Naruto not even reaching his goal except getting Sasuke back.

Also we never found out who Hashirama's children were..Orochimaru randomly turning good forever seems odd to me as well, honestly theres so much shit that needs closure, Im too lazy to think of every specific detail and list them but Im just kinda disappointed/pissed and feel that it was rushed to an end.

 

[Mr Hiru]

So if the manga is ending in 2 chapters how come we don't get a backstory on Kaguya and why she needed an army as well as a clear explanation about the history of the Byakugan and how she got it but just the history of what happened in that time in general cause it seemed like Hagoromo didn't even know what was happening behind the scenes with Black Zetsu.
Also we barely know anything about Hagoromo's brother and what happened to him

I thought the main point of the entire series was about Naruto and his dream to become Hokage, with the new movie coming out clearly he doesn't become Hokage so obviously the manga's gonna end with Naruto not even reaching his goal except getting Sasuke back.

Also we never found out who Hashirama's children were..Orochimaru randomly turning good forever seems odd to me as well, honestly theres so much shit that needs closure, Im too lazy to think of every specific detail and list them but Im just kinda disappointed/pissed and feel that it was rushed to an end.

Wait for the Last.

We have the offspring of Kaguya as main antagonist after all.

 

[Oddity]

The army was needed to help quell the earth and its countless wars.
She has powers of a god but she still can't be everywhere at once all the time.
She needs foot lackey to keep people in check.

And as far as her back story nothing else is relevant
What else that is relevant to the story is there ? Nothing.
YOU might want to know more about the little things but the manga is called naruto not kaguya

And as far as the byakugan itself once again not relevant.

 

[Oddity]

Lastly the reason he wanted to be hokage was to get acknowledged which he is.

He is too young to run the village when its time 5 -10 years he will become hokage

 

[takashi989]

I think that Kaguya wanted an army against the Otsutuki clan, which are the descendants of Hagoromo's brother, Hamura Otsutuki. Hamura left to defend the moon after Kaguya was sealed in it. The Otsutuki clan also possess the Byakugan. I think that the movie will be based on the fact that that clan has nothing left to protect and now demands a real home, rather than a mission they are stuck with (the moon). (I got the info about the Hamura from the Fourth Databook, so it's still fresh)

As far as the other questions about why Orochimaru turned "good forever" he said that after seeing what would have happened with his life as demonstrated by Kabuto and all his crazy ideas he adopted from Orochimaru, he decided rather to observe what his pupil, Sasuke, would choose to do. Orochimaru has already died once, and he's been given a second oportunity at life and can now observe rather than simply causing trouble to become what Kabuto ended up as.

 

[Aim64C]

The answer lay in the Hyuuga.

The Hyuuga are, quite possibly, not descended from Hamura. Notice how none of them are ever depicted in the manga using ninjutsu?

Not a substitution.

Not a clone.

Nada.

It is adherence to the Gentle Fist in the extreme.

Because they can't utilize ninjutsu due to the fact they do not have chakra in the same way that humans have since the Sage split the chakra.

The Hyuuga represent an ideological divide from the Otsutsuki, seeing the transfer of chakra to humans as being a part of a greater overall natural process to be guided and understood while the Otsutsuki view it as an unnatural product that should be ended. It is a sort of Taoist conundrum whereby something that is without precedent in the natural world, regardless of the unnatural means used to establish it, can become a part of a greater natural order.

The Hyuuga remained to guide humans and to guard the legacy of Kaguya, reborn into Hinata (though it is unknown if they realize this, or if the purpose has been lost to history - it is no coincidence that the traditional seal is that of the sun over the eye of the moon).

Hinata is the sealed heart of Kaguya - or perhaps her reincarnation. This is the reason for Hanabi's capture - to lure Hinata into action and to set in motion a sequence of events to get her to reveal her true form (likely discovered during IT as her original personality was weakened).

It will be up to Naruto and Hinata to deal with the fruit of the Holy Tree, which must be brought back to its proper standing and function. This is because it was an Uzumaki (shaman tending the original Holy Tree) and Otsutsuki (Hyuuga) who originally set in motion the events that birthed the Sage and spawned the current destiny Naruto and Hinata share.

Of course - this is all part of the story that Kishimoto wanted to tell almost from the beginning of the series - but he really kind of began to botch his writing around the beginning of the war arc and then fell into time constraints.

It's possible that we'll see a "Part 3" - but if we do, I suspect it will be an anime-only with the creative license being handed over to TV Tokyo (who will probably do a better job fleshing out the plot).

 

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

I still think that hamura was the original ashura, and he was also ashura's father. And that hago is the original Indra.

 

[Dark Matter Thief]

The army was needed to help quell the earth and its countless wars.
She has powers of a god but she still can't be everywhere at once all the time.
She needs foot lackey to keep people in check.

And as far as her back story nothing else is relevant
What else that is relevant to the story is there ? Nothing.
YOU might want to know more about the little things but the manga is called naruto not kaguya

And as far as the byakugan itself once again not relevant.

Wars between who? There'd be no people in the world.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The answer lay in the Hyuuga.

The Hyuuga are, quite possibly, not descended from Hamura. Notice how none of them are ever depicted in the manga using ninjutsu?

Not a substitution.

Not a clone.

Nada.

It is adherence to the Gentle Fist in the extreme.

Because they can't utilize ninjutsu due to the fact they do not have chakra in the same way that humans have since the Sage split the chakra.

The Hyuuga represent an ideological divide from the Otsutsuki, seeing the transfer of chakra to humans as being a part of a greater overall natural process to be guided and understood while the Otsutsuki view it as an unnatural product that should be ended. It is a sort of Taoist conundrum whereby something that is without precedent in the natural world, regardless of the unnatural means used to establish it, can become a part of a greater natural order.

The Hyuuga remained to guide humans and to guard the legacy of Kaguya, reborn into Hinata (though it is unknown if they realize this, or if the purpose has been lost to history - it is no coincidence that the traditional seal is that of the sun over the eye of the moon).

Hinata is the sealed heart of Kaguya - or perhaps her reincarnation. This is the reason for Hanabi's capture - to lure Hinata into action and to set in motion a sequence of events to get her to reveal her true form (likely discovered during IT as her original personality was weakened).

It will be up to Naruto and Hinata to deal with the fruit of the Holy Tree, which must be brought back to its proper standing and function. This is because it was an Uzumaki (shaman tending the original Holy Tree) and Otsutsuki (Hyuuga) who originally set in motion the events that birthed the Sage and spawned the current destiny Naruto and Hinata share.

Of course - this is all part of the story that Kishimoto wanted to tell almost from the beginning of the series - but he really kind of began to botch his writing around the beginning of the war arc and then fell into time constraints.

It's possible that we'll see a "Part 3" - but if we do, I suspect it will be an anime-only with the creative license being handed over to TV Tokyo (who will probably do a better job fleshing out the plot).

Its been confirmed, the Byakugan bloodline continued down the family tree from Hamura's line.
What the **** is with you and the Uzumaki? They were not around during that time frame, they are descended from Ashura, want proof? Got an entire thread about it.

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Kishi is writing Part 3 which will be a Mini series, based after the Last.

 

[Draxus]

Kishi is writing Part 3 which will be a Mini series, based after the Last.

Kishi isn't writing that.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Kishi isn't writing that.

He is, he stated so in a interview.
Kishi's word >>>> Yours.

 

[Draxus]

He is, he stated so in a interview.
Kishi's word >>>> Yours.

Could you link your source?

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Could you link your source?

There are many sources, most have already been provided on the base, but I'll give you the one I can get easily.

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[Draxus]

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Ok you're talking about the first one specifically then? Cuz the rest of the series is credited as written by Akira Higashiyama and you don't have to go to any blog to look that up, it's on the last page of the last chapter in the manga.

It's similar to The Last movie, though it's received Kishi's seal of approval and he did char designs, the story isn't written by him.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Ok you're talking about the first one specifically then? Cuz the rest of the series is credited as written by Akira Higashiyama and you don't have to go to any blog to look that up, it's on the last page of the last chapter in the manga.

It's similar to The Last movie, though it's received Kishi's seal of approval and he did char designs, the story isn't written by him.

No he is. As he said. “I will continue creating manga,” he said. “I will release extra ‘Naruto’ episodes next spring.”
He is doing the Last and the Mini series, it doesn't matter if Akira is credited, as Kishi himself stated he's still writing the story.
The story is written by him, he said so himself.