[Discussion] His Majesty officially...

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ROFL stomps your fave, he has absorbed the soul king, nothing can stop the neg of bleach verse but kubo's pen. Deus ex machina at it's finest is about the happen. Like I said ichigo needs a soul king power up or he teams up with Aizen, hogyoku turns out to be a part of the soul king this whole time and they both get power UPS and merge or something because without a godly power up bleachverse gets a godly solo. Thank you and his Majesty solos
 

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Ichibei is the only one who can beat Yhwach

Aizen isn't going to do shit
 
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It reminds of the Aizen arc, boss villain gets an even stronger power-up, only to be stomped by the good guys.

It seems like it's going to backfire though, Ywach's days are counted. I do think however, that Haschwalth was artificially made by the King himself.
 

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I do not know, but as we saw how he used the almighty power and beat the monk, there were a chance to defeat him, but now
I cannot imagine how Ichigo want to fight Bach I mean even his FTG is useless. He has to train his Qunicy power as well .
 

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I never understood this habit of people of using the plot or author as some kind of defensive mechanism against reality. Everything that is written, everything that has happened is the plot. Everything was decided by the author. Saying that something is the result of plot armor or the author, automatically means that you're implying that other stuff isn't like that, which is plainly impossible. Beating Bach is as much the result of the author as him making Bach that powerful. It was Kubo's pen that created Bach, so that same pen can easily uncreate him. Beating Bach is as much a 'deus ex machina' as the creation of his entire character. The entire Bleach manga was practically a fight against Aizen and then when he finally gets beaten, out of the blue a new enemy appears that's even more dangerous. An enemy that needed a millennium to awaken and he awakens coincidently just after Aizen got beaten and this while Aizen had been scheming for over a century. How big are the odds?

Everything was the result of Kubo's pen, both the creation of Bach as his inevitable defeat as he is bound to be beaten one way or another.
 
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I never understood this habit of people of using the plot or author as some kind of defensive mechanism against reality. Everything that is written, everything that has happened is the plot. Everything was decided by the author. Saying that something is the result of plot armor or the author, automatically means that you're implying that other stuff isn't like that, which is plainly impossible. Beating Bach is as much the result of the author as him making Bach that powerful. It was Kubo's pen that created Bach, so that same pen can easily uncreate him. Beating Bach is as much a 'deus ex machina' as the creation of his entire character. The entire Bleach manga was practically a fight against Aizen and then when he finally gets beaten, out of the blue a new enemy appears that's even more dangerous. An enemy that needed a millennium to awaken and he awakens coincidently just after Aizen got beaten and this while Aizen had been scheming for over a century. How big are the odds?

Everything was the result of Kubo's pen, both the creation of Bach as his inevitable defeat as he is bound to be beaten one way or another.
Aftre typing and typing I figured a short explanation is best. If someone says "plot" will beat YH then it means that kubo has written this situation poorly in their eyes and kubo simply used his pen as you said to defeat him instead of using the world he has created to beat him. He can write in a way to beat YH or he can simply underpower YH and you can call that kubos world but in reality thats bad writing. You cant introduce something 1 chapter before his defeat or simply make YH weaker than he was, you have to set it up in advance and make ichigo seem like he can win if he trys hard enough but there is a limit to that. see fairy tail for a bad example of believing in yourself.

Short story shorter: Not all writing is equal. Some penwork of kubo is better than others, plotshield etc. only serve point out the major flaws in "X" form.

My take on this whole thing though is that the left hand of the SK still exists and therefore if that is used it should be fine.
 
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Aftre typing and typing I figured a short explanation is best. If someone says "plot" will beat YH then it means that kubo has written this situation poorly in their eyes and kubo simply used his pen as you said to defeat him instead of using the world he has created to beat him. He can write in a way to beat YH or he can simply underpower YH and you can call that kubos world but in reality thats bad writing. You cant introduce something 1 chapter before his defeat or simply make YH weaker than he was, you have to set it up in advance and make ichigo seem like he can win if he trys hard enough but there is a limit to that. see fairy tail for a bad example of believing in yourself.

Short story shorter: Not all writing is equal. Some penwork of kubo is better than others, plotshield etc. only serve point out the major flaws in "X" form.

My take on this whole thing though is that the left hand of the SK still exists and therefore if that is used it should be fine.
It doesn't matter whether it's good writing or bad as both are still part of the plot. So it's completely redundant to consider specific parts the result of the 'plot' as that implies that others are not, which is not the case. A character that beats another character and saying that he could only have beaten him because of a plotshield, well likewise it was that same plotshield that made that character that powerful in the first place. Making a character powerful and consequently let him be beaten with a supposed plotshield, well then that plotshield was the result of what could be considered creating a bad written powerful character. If you create a powerful character and then do not know how it has to be beaten, well then that character is likewise bad. They are connected, the plot is one whole, one entity, so saying that one thing is plotshield, but another thing that is directly connected to it is not, well that's wrong. Then you are dividing something that is a single entity into different subjective compartments.

Reality is that the whole Bleach manga can be considered not to have been written particularly great and the entire Quincy arc in particular, but that's just my opinion. In the end a character being ridiculously powerful as a result of nothing else than the creator writing him like that, is the same thing as that same character being beaten by another character that gets a friendship boost. Where did Bach's power come from in the first place? Kubo's pen, the same thing that will produce his downfall.
 

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It doesn't matter whether it's good writing or bad as both are still part of the plot. So it's completely redundant to consider specific parts the result of the 'plot' as that implies that others are not, which is not the case. A character that beats another character and saying that he could only have beaten him because of a plotshield, well likewise it was that same plotshield that made that character that powerful in the first place. Making a character powerful and consequently let him be beaten with a supposed plotshield, well then that plotshield was the result of what could be considered creating a bad written powerful character. If you create a powerful character and then do not know how it has to be beaten, well then that character is likewise bad. They are connected, the plot is one whole, one entity, so saying that one thing is plotshield, but another thing that is directly connected to it is not, well that's wrong. Then you are dividing something that is a single entity into different subjective compartments.

Reality is that the whole Bleach manga can be considered not to have been written particularly great and the entire Quincy arc in particular, but that's just my opinion. In the end a character being ridiculously powerful as a result of nothing else than the creator writing him like that, is the same thing as that same character being beaten by another character that gets a friendship boost. Where did Bach's power come from in the first place? Kubo's pen, the same thing that will produce his downfall.

No not everything is a plotshield because some aspects of the story make sense in regards to kubos world building. Plotshield can only exist when the path of the story has been diverted due to poor writing and wont progress naturally to the point the author originally intended and needed to be corrected in order for the plot to move in the way the author originally planned (usually a good guy beating a bad guy but sometimes in the case of another good guy B not beating a bad guy so that good guy A can later {see yama vs aizen})

Some parts of bleach are worse than others. Ichigo beating Ulq made sense because the entire story ichigo has gotten stronger each fight and we also know that his hollow side is stronger than him and has been looking to take over for a long time. But ichigo beating aizen did not because miraculously there was this hidden power up that was never brought up before and miraculously ichigos dad knew it but not even that is as bad as byakuya. But most importantly YH keeps getting stronger and he currently has plot shield but the point is that it may be the biggest plot shield in all time if ichigo beats YH now.
 
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