Hiruzen's stats

[Obito3631]

Immediately after the little scuffle, Naruto commented to himself that she was good. Whatever though.
Never mentioned he'd be just as strong in his old age. He'd still be good though, he managed to disarm Orochimaru.
Obviously, his stats have not deteriorated quite so much that most of them should be changed, barring the obvious.

Note, not saying the disarming was taijutsu though. Though both taijutsu and kenjutsu require good reflexes.

Nice to know but that still doesn't prove anything.

He was getting overpowered by Edo Hashi and Tobirama in taijutsu he hasn't shown any good taijutsu feats in his old age. Also it's quite ridiculous that his speed has gotten worse throughout the years but his taijutsu remained the same when those 2 branches are directly linked to each other.

 

[Pekoms]

He was getting overpowered by Edo Hashi and Tobirama in taijutsu he hasn't shown any good taijutsu feats in his old age. Also it's quite ridiculous that his speed has gotten worse throughout the years but his taijutsu remained the same when those 2 branches are directly linked to each other.

First off, there was no overpowering in taijutsu. [

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] The only time taijutsu was utilized, during the fight.
That was whilst he was attacking Orochimaru and he placed explosive tags on them.

 

[Obito3631]

First off, there was no overpowering in taijutsu. [

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] The only time taijutsu was utilized, during the fight.
That was whilst he was attacking Orochimaru and he placed explosive tags on them.

The manga page you just posted is a clear evidence of overpowering, taijutsu implies speed,reflexes and overall hands to hands combat skills . Yet in the previous page he tried to attack Oro with his staff and he couldnt block or counter the former hokage's kicks because of lack of reflexes and overall taijutsu skills.

 

[Pekoms]

The manga page you just posted is a clear evidence of overpowering, taijutsu implies speed,reflexes and overall hands to hands combat skills . Yet in the previous page he tried to attack Oro with his staff and he couldnt block or counter the former hokage's kicks because of lack of reflexes and overall taijutsu skills.

Seriously? Your expected him to keep all three in line with purely taijutsu? That's something for Gai or Kimimaro to do.
For all we know, he used it to his advantage. He certainly had the reflexes to pull out two tags and place it on them.

Let's just agree to disagree, we're not getting anywhere and this has lost its interest.

 

[Obito3631]

Seriously? Your expected him to keep all three in line with purely taijutsu? That's something for Gai or Kimimaro to do.
For all we know, he used it to his advantage. He certainly had the reflexes to pull out two tags and place it on them.

Let's just agree to disagree, we're not getting anywhere and this has lost its interest.

Then why does he have the max score in taijutsu if he couldnt block two simple kicks?

 

[Itachi Solos]

Yo, Hiruzen. I'm really happy for you. I'mma let you finish, but Itachi had one of the best stats of all time

ONE OF THE BEST STATS OF ALL TIME!!!

 

[Obito3631]

Because of this:



He's a master of taijutsu, though his age affects him, meaning he'd tire out more easily. "Stamina" is presumably in reference to chakra as well as physical stamina. He was also reported to know and was said to be able to use every jutsu in Konoha, yet he was a 3/5 in stamina. Does that mean he shouldn't have a 5/5 in Ninjutsu and Genjutsu since he doesn't have the chakra levels that he used to?

You're wrong because this logic is flawed and doesn't apply to taijutsu.
He can still use ninjutsu and genjutsu he just can't use it as much because of his low chakra level.
His old age is the cause of his decline of taijutsu skills. Unlike ninjutsu and genjutsu which he can still use despite his old age, he cannot use taijutsu as effectively as in his prime which is the reason why it doesn't make sense for him to have a 5/5 when he can't even block 2 mere kicks.

 

[NagazuDead]

I want to see Hiruzen fight when in young age

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

When he's got Enma as Kongou Nyoi he is/was nearly unbeatable when it comes to Taijutsu.

 

[Obito3631]

And this statement can apply to taijutsu, as well. "He can still use taijutsu, he just can't utilize it as well because of his old age." His old age is the cause of the decline of his use of all three of the ninja arts.

Knowlegde of various martial arts techniques differs from reaction time. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it, in fact. A master of taijutsu can still be hit, regardless of if it's by something as insignificant as 2 mere kicks or something as overwhelming as Hirudora.

There is a difference between "as well" and "as much"
His skills in ninjutsu and genjutsu haven't declined over the years unlike taijutsu which is what my whole point is all about.
He has shown great efficiency at using ninjutsu during his fight against Orochimaru:

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And he had no trouble in breaking the bringer of darkness which is a high level genjutsu.
Also the 2 kicks were just examples because he hasn't shown any taijutsu prowess but it still it helps proving my point. There is no excuse for not being able to block or dodge two simple kicks when you have 5/5 in taijutsu.
Unlike Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, Taijutsu is purely physical and you're telling me an old man would be as good in taijutsu as in his prime and should deserve a 5/5?

So wrong.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

databook is as bad as filler

 

[Obito3631]

databook is as bad as filler

I agree to a certain extent