[VS] Hiruzen Vs Kakashi

[Adobo]

• Location: Open Field
  
  
• Starting Distance: 20 Meters
  
  
• Mindset: IC; but to kill
  
  
• Conditions: It's current Kakashi; No Sharingan. Hiruzen is 69 years young.
  
  
• Restrictions: Kakashi does not have his ridiculous war-arc stamina feats. Hiruzen can not use RDS.

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Scenario One: Feats Only

Scenario Two: Jutsu hype is included. Kakashi is capable of using all jutsu he copied or witnessed with the sharingan; while Hiruzen possesses every jutsu in the leaf [Not including clan exclusives, SM, FTG, Healing Techniques].

Who wins?​

 

[Black Wolf]

Scenario 1: Hiruzen has more elements to his disposal here and a superior summon whilst Kakashi has better speed, more versatility with the actual elements he has, and better tactics. Not really sure how Old Hiruzen's stamina would fare here, and likewise, I have no idea what "no War-Arc stamina" means, especially without Sharingan. We have one unknown for Hiruzen's stamina, and a double unknown for Kakashi, as we have no idea what his non-War-Arc stamina would be, let alone without Sharingan drain. Close match-up here, though.

Scenario 2: So Hiruzen has 8 gates, Hiraishin, all Kage Bunshin variants, all Chidori / Raikiri variants, Byakugo, Sage Mode, Yomi Numa, and a variety of other techniques that he otherwise wouldn't have? Yeah, this fannon Hiruzen beats pretty much everyone in existence barring Kaguya, and current Naruto / Sasuke.

 

[Adobo]

Scenario 1: Hiruzen has more elements to his disposal here and a superior summon whilst Kakashi has better speed, more versatility with the actual elements he has, and better tactics. Not really sure how Old Hiruzen's stamina would fare here, and likewise, I have no idea what "no War-Arc stamina" means, especially without Sharingan. We have one unknown for Hiruzen's stamina, and a double unknown for Kakashi, as we have no idea what his non-War-Arc stamina would be, let alone without Sharingan drain. Close match-up here, though.

Scenario 2: So Hiruzen has 8 gates, Hiraishin, all Kage Bunshin variants, all Chidori / Raikiri variants, Byakugo, Sage Mode, Yomi Numa, and a variety of other techniques that he otherwise wouldn't have? Yeah, this fannon Hiruzen beats pretty much everyone in existence barring Kaguya, and current Naruto / Sasuke.

Kakashi isn't able to spam his jutsu as he did in the war (Kamui), that's what no war-arc stamina feats mean.

As for scenario two, let's be realistic and mindful of his age and condition. The Eight Gates are absolutely out of the question, considering all the strain it puts on one's body; there is no way old Hiruzen can utilize this. He obviously can't use Sage Mode, Byakugo, and Hiraishin, but i'll restrict them in the OP.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Denying kakashi's stamina? Shame on you.

Kakashi wins scenario 1 but loses scenario 2.

 

[TRE MERCER]

What's Hiruzen counter for Kamui?

 

[duren batu]

Kakashi lose both scenario.
Kakashi is chakra less hiruzen.
Old man hiruzen can create ten meter wall while kakashi only two.
If only kakashi has hiruzen chakra level :/

 

[super yang]

hiruzen wins both scenes.

base kakashi gets neutralized by the neutralizer staff.

hype vs hype, hiruzen would clone feint the clone feint-er becuz that's what happens in a rock throwing contest where...whatever. UnowutImsayin; its only right

 

[V h o]

Scenario 1: Hiruzen mid-high difficulty. I'm finding it hard for Kakashi to stop hiruzen five elemental attack. Kakashi not have kamui is also a plus for hiruzen.

Scenario 2: Prime Hiruzen stomps.


Edit:

What's Hiruzen counter for Kamui?

Kakashi doesn't have sharingan sadly.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Scenario 1: Hiruzen mid-high difficulty. I'm finding it hard for Kakashi to stop hiruzen five elemental attack. Kakashi not have kamui is also a plus for hiruzen.

Scenario 2: Prime Hiruzen stomps.

I'd love to see old hiruzen pull that off. None the less it gets bypassed completely by hiding like mole. Then he gets lighting clone feinted..

 

[Selan]

Kakashi should be still a lot faster, and I think that he is smarter and with better jutsu. I can easily see Hiruzen tricked by a RKB and then killed with Raikiri or Raikiri kunai. Even without Sharingan and MS advantages and hax Kakashi should be better than him, Hiruzen was already tired just by having used Enma as nyoi-bo for some sequences... Kakashi fought some of the strongest beings in Naruto world for hours and used a lot of Kamui one after another, while using the Sharingan and other draining jutsu. He can also outlast pretty easily.

 

[NSUNSR]

I'd love to see old hiruzen pull that off. None the less it gets bypassed completely by hiding like mole. Then he gets lighting clone feinted..

People hyping hiding like a mole tecnique. The 5 elemental Attack deffinetely destroys the ground beneath it. I do agree that old Hiruzen can't pull that off though.
Scenario 1 : I give this to Hiruzen, because of Enma.
Scenario 2 : Prime Hiruzen lol diff.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

People hyping hiding like a mole tecnique. The 5 elemental Attack deffinetely destroys the ground beneath it. I do agree that old Hiruzen can't pull that off though.
Scenario 1 : I give this to Hiruzen, because of Enma.
Scenario 2 : Prime Hiruzen lol diff.

It didn't do that when it was showcased. Are you making things up? Besides. You don't fully understand how deep underground hiding like mole users can go. So unless his elements are going over 150m underground you need to fall back.

Can old hiruzen even make 4 clones at once? Lol. He best sick with 2.

 

[DMT]

What's Hiruzen counter for Kamui?

FTG

Limbo


Or just smash the battleground with GKF

 

[Rofik Miah]

Hiruzen takes both of the fights.

 

[Europa]

I want to say Hiruzen.

But I am doubting his abilities to win.

 

[Koro]

Do you hate Kakashi? Hiruzen rapes in both scenarios.

And Hiruzen neutralizes Kamui, btw.

 

[Bronze]

Kakashi rofl stomps.

 

[V h o]

It didn't do that when it was showcased. Are you making things up? Besides. You don't fully understand how deep underground hiding like mole users can go. So unless his elements are going over 150m underground you need to fall back.

Can old hiruzen even make 4 clones at once? Lol. He best sick with 2.

And why can't old hiruzen, the only Hiruzen we have seen, not have 4 shadow clones? What edo has increased his chakra reserves or something?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

1st scenery: Old Hiruzen wins very high difficulty
2nd scene: Prime Hiruzen neg difficulty

 

[Yuse]

kakashi without sharingan loses againt old hiruzen with sharingan he wins