Hiruzen vs Kabuto

[Brother Numpsay]

Condition: Hiruzen is Edo Tensei.
Restrictions: Sage Mode, RDS, and Edo Tensei.

Scenario 1: No Manda 2
Scenario 2: Manda 2 allowed

 

[RustledJimmies]

Sound 5 techs still give Kabuto the win. S2 is a stomp.

 

[V h o]

Kabuto wins.

 

[NSUNSR]

Hiruzen wins scenario1, looses scenario2.

 

[Selan]

Kabuto wins casually.

 

[Bantos]

Kabuto wins.

 

[Inert Brian]

Hiruzen low diffs scenario 1. Kabuto will get destroyed by 5 grand elements.

Scenario 2 is a tougher call, mainly because we don't know much about manda 2. Given that Manda 2 was stronger than the Original, Kabuto med diffs.

 

[Europa]

Hiruzen low diffs scenario 1. Kabuto will get destroyed by 5 grand elements.

Scenario 2 is a tougher call, mainly because we don't know much about manda 2. Given that Manda 2 was stronger than the Original, Kabuto med diffs.

Hidden Mole Jutsu lets Kabuto bypass the Elements.

 

[Beans2]

Scenario 1 goes to Hiruzen high diff

-Fuuton to blow away Tayuya's genjutsu
-Raiton to harm him despite liquification
-Raiton negates Jirob's earth techniques or Hiding Like a Mole
-Katon can evaporate him and his liquid body
-Enma pole shits on Kimimaro bones
-Enma > any of Kabuto's snakes

Scenario 2 is dependant on one thing and one thing only: Can enma pole push Manda 2 away? I think it can: Enma effortlessly pushed the Kyubi out of the village so I wouldn't be surprised if Enma can sort of "neutralize" mass, the same way Onoki's Lightened-weight rock technique does.

Unrestrict Sage Mode: Kabuto low diff.
Unrestrict Edo Tensei: Kabuto godstomps.

 

[super yang]

scene 1: hiruzen wins, Kabuto doesn't use clones, surprisingly.
from there the latter gets overwhelmed, as anything he can do, the professor can do better.
enma staff can out pace bone forest in reach.
kabuto can't actually use sakon kkg offensively w/o a host/clones.
enma would break jirobos barrier.
shuriken clones w/ wind flow would troll the spider webs.

scene 2: is the same as 1st scenario, enma is the greatest summon in attack power. the staff stabs manda right thru the brain after a layered, clone feint.

 

[Benjamin King]

It's basically Kabuto using the same techniques without SM boost. In any case, White Rage paralyses Hiruzen, and Kabuto proceeds to swallow him via Orochimaru's true form.

 

[super yang]

It's basically Kabuto using the same techniques without SM boost. In any case, White Rage paralyses Hiruzen, and Kabuto proceeds to swallow him via Orochimaru's true form.

I had assumed muki tensei, laser scalpel & white rage were senjutsu only...if not Kabuto wins

 

[Benjamin King]

I had assumed muki tensei, laser scalpel & white rage were senjutsu only...if not Kabuto wins

SM doesn't give you new Jutsu. All it does is increase your base levels, nothing more or less. So Kabuto still has those techniques he used, only weaker without a boost.

 

[super yang]

SM doesn't give you new Jutsu. All it does is increase your base levels, nothing more or less. So Kabuto still has those techniques he used, only weaker without a boost.

I think it does actually, in terms of capability.

white rage seems to use nature energy + yin-yang to even create, while muki tensei is giving living/nature energy to inorganic matter so that it ''reacts'' to the enemy on its own.

but we don't have to agree on it...

 

[Benjamin King]

I think it does actually, in terms of capability.

white rage seems to use nature energy + yin-yang to even create, while muki tensei is giving living/nature energy to inorganic matter so that it ''reacts'' to the enemy on its own.

but we don't have to agree on it...

No, you're giving a hardly half-assessed hypothesis. White Rage is result of Chakra creation, so is Muki Tensei. Those techniques function that way because they're designed to do that. Not because of Natural Energy.

 

[super yang]

No, you're giving a hardly half-assessed hypothesis. White Rage is result of Chakra creation, so is Muki Tensei. Those techniques function that way because they're designed to do that. Not because of Natural Energy.

and I disagree, there is clearly a ''something'' creating mechanical distinction between normal earth jutsu/genjutu & muki tensei/white rage.

if you're saying the ''something'' is just merely incredible -ingenuity-, you're cutting off the nose to spite the face.

if U say there is no ''distinction'' between those jutsu types, then you're being facetious or... U simply lack imagination & awareness - in which case we'll just have to disagree

...i'll be your half-assed cynic all day

 

[Benjamin King]

and I disagree, there is clearly a ''something'' creating mechanical distinction between normal earth jutsu/genjutu & muki tensei/white rage.

if you're saying the ''something'' is just merely incredible -ingenuity-, you're cutting off the nose to spite the face.

if U say there is no ''distinction'' between those jutsu types, then you're being facetious or... U simply lack imagination & awareness - in which case we'll just have to disagree

...i'll be your half-assed cynic all day

I say that because it is a fact. Jutsu is a result of Chakra; fact.

 

[MickNerks]

It's basically Kabuto using the same techniques without SM boost. In any case, White Rage paralyses Hiruzen, and Kabuto proceeds to swallow him via Orochimaru's true form.

Sage Art: White Rage Technique is definintely a Sage Mode techniques that requires the user to be in a Sage Mode state to activate it. Thats why it is called a Sage Art (because it requires senjutsu)

 

[Beans2]

SM doesn't give you new Jutsu. All it does is increase your base levels, nothing more or less. So Kabuto still has those techniques he used, only weaker without a boost.

For all we know, that technique when not used in conjunction with Sage Mode may be so weak that it hardly affects his opponent at all. So this shouldn't be brought up in an argument.

 

[HENI]

Hiruzen had trouble against Orochimaru. Kabuto will make him run for his life.