Hiruzen vs Hashirama & Tobirama

[MickNerks]

I have a question for the entire Base. Everytime someone brings up the fight between orochimaru and hiruzen and the fact that a old hiruzen was able to defeat orochimaru, people always like to bring up the fact that the Hokage's Hashirama and Tobirama were only at 20%.


My question is, "where are you getting your numbers". Where in the manga does Orochiamru say I have only revived you guys at 20% of your power??

I feel as though one person said they only were at 20% and the rest of the base just decided to go with that, so now Im asking the base where did the 20% non sense come from.

If hashirama was only at 20% of his original power hiruzen would have easily been able dispose of him since his jutsu would have been no stronger than yamato's lmao, but everyone likes to spit the 20% number out there. It would be easy for people to say hiruzen was at 20% of his original power since chakra reserves were low and enma clearly was heavier than he remembered, but that would be crutching hiruzen.



SO PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM??

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

I think he was at 2% of his power, look how small and how long it took to create Mokuton

 

[Flakez]

This was part 1.

Kishi probably didn't even plan to make Hashirama important, and he clearly wasn't strong back then.

Kishi retconned Hiruzen's hype a long time ago.

 

[LuckyMan]

There is no number. Someone just made that up after seeing current Tobirama + Hashirama and considered that was it. It does not matter if they were 50% 20% or even 10%, Hiruzen was in a far, away far worse condition to fight than them.

People can't accept the fact Hiruzen solo'd them both.

 

[Uchiha Aizen]

U think dat Hiruzen wud last 5mins against 100% Tobirama??... Buh dats none of my business U_U

 

[Joseph Gomes]

WHich version of Hiruzen is this? Old Hiruzen loses to both. Prime Hiruzen solos Hashi and Tobirama at the same time

 

[ad0]

Hiruzen mostly fought 1% of harshirama when orochimaru use edo tensi

 

[sasui]

because Oro controlled them.

go back to when he revived them before they moved he attached the personality blocking scrolls to there backs.

 

[Uchiha Aizen]

WHich version of Hiruzen is this? Old Hiruzen loses to both. Prime Hiruzen solos Hashi and Tobirama at the same time

Yah.. And this "prime Hiruzen" fought who?,hw strong was he?,was he shown?... Buh dats none of my business U_U

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Yah.. And this "prime Hiruzen" fought who?,hw strong was he?,was he shown?... Buh dats none of my business U_U

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Iruka, Ch.94
「三代目は　特に歴代の中でも最強�� �� �� �� �� � �言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた�� �� �� �� �� �� ��だったんだぞ！」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴�� �� �� �� �最 強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影�� �� �� �� �� �形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目�� �� �� �� �� � �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し�� �� �� �� �� �� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その�� �� �� �� �� �は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を�� �� �� �� �� � �る大樹に成長するであろう。果て�� �� �� �� �� �� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・！！Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.
[...]木ノ葉隠れの里に存在する全ての術に精通し、"プロフェッサー"の愛称まで持つ彼[...]」
'[...] He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure [...]'

 

[MickNerks]

This was part 1.

Kishi probably didn't even plan to make Hashirama important, and he clearly wasn't strong back then.

Kishi retconned Hiruzen's hype a long time ago.

I don't recall Kishi ever retconning his hype, but I just wanna know where the 20% came from.

U think dat Hiruzen wud last 5mins against 100% Tobirama??... Buh dats none of my business U_U

I never implied hiruzen could beat tobirama. This whole thread is about where the 20% came from. Stay on topic

WHich version of Hiruzen is this? Old Hiruzen loses to both. Prime Hiruzen solos Hashi and Tobirama at the same time

This isn't about who wins and who loses. This isn't a versus thread. Im asking where the idea that the hokages were only at 20% came from.

Hiruzen mostly fought 1% of harshirama when orochimaru use edo tensi

Where are you getting 1% from. 1% would have even been able to use mokuton.

 

[Tarinth]

20% is Yamato level? No.... unless you think Yamato's
mokuton X 5 is already equivalent to that of Hashirama's.
I'd say Hashirama was at most, at like 10% of base strength.
Even less if you consider SM his 100% power.

 

[Tarinth]

20% is Yamato level? No.... unless you think Yamato's
mokuton X 5 is already equivalent to that of Hashirama's.
I'd say Hashirama was at most, at like 10% of base strength.
Even less if you consider SM his 100% power.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Kishi couldn't make Hashi 100%, because Hiruzen would beat his ass and destroy all hype related to Hashi

 

[King Kendrick]

Yah.. And this "prime Hiruzen" fought who?,hw strong was he?,was he shown?... Buh dats none of my business U_U

Stop using a popular meme to end your sentences half time it wont work .... Buh dats none of my buisness U_U

 

[MickNerks]

20% is Yamato level? No.... unless you think Yamato's
mokuton X 5 is already equivalent to that of Hashirama's.
I'd say Hashirama was at most, at like 10% of base strength.
Even less if you consider SM his 100% power.

What are you basing your power scaling from?

If sage mode is hashirama at 100% then him as a edo showed couldn't be any lower than 60% - 70%. Then only reason I feel as though you are downplaying his strength is because he didn't use wood golem or wood dragon, but those jutsu weren't necessary against a opponent like hiruzen. He was neither a tailed beast or over 20 ft tall. Then you also have to take into account they were in a limited space.

 

[Genjin]

Hashi alone would stomp Hiruzen.

 

[MickNerks]

Hashi alone would stomp Hiruzen.

This isn't a vs thread. The question is why do people say hashirama and tobirama were only at 20%

 

[Hokage4]

I remeber some where that their power was only at half?

 

[King Kendrick]

This isn't a vs thread. The question is why do people say hashirama and tobirama were only at 20%

the title is pretty misleading