Hiruzen vs Gengetsu

[Brother Numpsay]

And? His Mokuton was fodder-level compared to what he could do in his normal state. There's literally 0 reason to believe that Genjutsu wasn't affected by P1 Edo Tensei power scaling.

Except thats not how it works. Its just you dodging the argument and attempting to escape yourself of proving a negative.

And? Databook score means nothing when it's not backed up with feats. Orochimaru also had 5 in Genjutsu but he got fodderized by 3T Illusion. It took him like 9 years to develop resistance. And Hiruzen's age nerfed his vitality and chakra reserves, not his skills lol.

Prove it that Oro had 5 during the time of Itachi? None. The DB goes by their current selfs not flashback. So yes it's supported plus the fact that you still can't prove that Hashirama's genjutsu is fodder let alone prove it simply can be counter by using "Kai" on yourself.

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen couldn't even dispel Fodder Hashirama's Bringer of Darkness without resorting to RDS. There's no way he's getting past Clam Genjutsu.

Gengetsu wins.

You must really hate Hiruzen to think he could not get rid of that simple Steam Genjutsu

Bringer of Darkness effects the users sight by casting the user under complete Darkness so that they cant see their surrounding. Hiruzen still under these conditions was able t locate both the first and second hokage and end the technique by activating DRS.

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on the other hand only mask the users true location, it doesnt blind or cripple the opponent in any other way. With this begin said, hiruzen can easily locate the Mizukage by sniffing out the claim and destroying it.

Idk how you think Mizukage takes this. Your hate for Hiruzen must be strong XD

 

[Nattana]

You must really hate Hiruzen to think he could not get rid of that simple Steam Genjutsu

Bringer of Darkness effects the users sight by casting the user under complete Darkness so that they cant see their surrounding. Hiruzen still under these conditions was able t locate both the first and second hokage and end the technique by activating DRS.

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on the other hand only mask the users true location, it doesnt blind or cripple the opponent in any other way. With this begin said, hiruzen can easily locate the Mizukage by sniffing out the claim and destroying it.

Idk how you think Mizukage takes this. Your hate for Hiruzen must be strong XD

The only alive Hiruzen we've seen was some old fodder.

 

[MickNerks]

The only alive Hiruzen we've seen was some old fodder.

That same old fodder defeated Orochimaru (sannin) and 2 kage level opponents (by part 1 standards) by himself and saved the village.

 

[Nattana]

That same old fodder defeated Orochimaru (sannin) and 2 kage level opponents (by part 1 standards) by himself and saved the village.

Defeated? Orochimaru was toying with him, used only 1% of his whole arsenal which was Kusanagi and Edo Tensei in its most basic form. Orochimaru LET Hiruzen prepare his RDS because he wanted to see what that technique was. It was the only reason Hiruzen survived long enough to even use it.

Not to mention he died in the end like a fodder and his strongest, suicidal jutsu did close to nothing to Orochimaru in the long run.

 

[MickNerks]

Defeated? Orochimaru was toying with him, used only 1% of his whole arsenal which was Kusanagi and Edo Tensei in its most basic form. Orochimaru LET Hiruzen prepare his RDS because he wanted to see what that technique was. It was the only reason Hiruzen survived long enough to even use it.

Not to mention he died in the end like a fodder and his strongest, suicidal jutsu did close to nothing to Orochimaru in the long run.

Orochimaru's Mission: Destroy Konoha

Hiruzen's Mission: Stop Orochimaru

Orochimaru Failed his Mission, while Hiruzen made orochimaru retreat. Hiruzen defeats orochimaru and prevents him from destroying the Hidden Leaf Village.

 

[madvictory]

Hiruzen wins. He kept up without hesitation against the SS. Smaller than the original or not, it would crush Gengetsu. He's just like a filler character to be honest - shows a lot of incredible power but gets killed by regular ninjas in a humorous way.

 

[Dying Soldier]

Gengetsu wins. Hiruzen is capable enough of figuring out how to counter the genjutsu; unfortunately I don't see him evading a surprise Joki Boi explosion after Gengetsu realizes that he won't be able to kill him that way. The latter can still use the genjutsu to hide his presence elsewhere and activate the Joki Boi after ending the genjutsu, which is fast enough to react to and sidestep Hiruzen's elemental techniques from mid to long range. When it closes the distance, it'll blow up and end the match. Enma (assuming that he is summoned like Saru always does) may or may not have the presence of mind to clone himself and encase Hiruzen inside of the Adamantine lattice, but this defense is a bit

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for an attack like Gengetsu's and won't be able to fully protect his partner from sustaining significant damage. Moreover, just because Enma reacted to part one Edo Hashirama's

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doesn't mean that he'll be able to react to something faster like Joki Boi's explosion unless we want to compare Enma's reflexes to Gaara's sand speed [

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]. The clone does expand before exploding, but Hiruzen and Enma have no intel on this process.

Gengetsu defeats all of the Hokage except for Naruto, Hashirama, Rikudo Kakashi, and Edo Minato.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

The genjutsu isn't a problem, as Hiruzen will just destroy the surrounding environment with his gigantic elemental jutsu.