Hiruzen vs Deidara

[KCN]

Knowledge - Hiruzen knows Deidara uses bombs and about C4. Deidara knows about Hiruzen elemental blasts.
Conditions - Stamina is equalised.
Distance - 40m
Location - Deidara vs Sasuke

 

[super yang]

hiruzen shoots deidara down & crushes him w/ enma under any conditions

 

[Dizzldot]

Emma extends fast enough to hit deidara out of the sky, then hiruzenami solos

 

[NarutoX28]

Hiruzen would win overall. The only troublesome thing for Hiruzen is C2 which Hiruzen doesn't have the speed to avoid.

 

[KidGamer65]

-C1 is blocked w/ Enma, Earth Walls or simply blown away with offense.
-C1 Guided bombs are simply blasted away since a defense that doesn't cover 360 degrees without holes in it will only get him killed here.
-C2 is blocked w/ Enma or neutralized w/ Raiton when he figures out Deidara's trick or blown away/prematurely detonated by another elemental Ninjutsu.
-C3 can only be neutralized or prematurely detonated. It's not guided nor does it change trajectory so that can easily be accomplished.
-C4 is blown away w/ Fuuton.

Hiruzen's range w/ Shadow Shuriken, Enma, clones and his elemental Ninjutsu means that Deidara gets clipped in mid air and dies a terrible death.


That or Deidara blows them both up with C0.

 

[ToshiZO]

-C1 is blocked w/ Enma, Earth Walls or simply blown away with offense.
-C1 Guided bombs are simply blasted away since a defense that doesn't cover 360 degrees without holes in it will only get him killed here.
-C2 is blocked w/ Enma or neutralized w/ Raiton when he figures out Deidara's trick or blown away/prematurely detonated by another elemental Ninjutsu.
-C3 can only be neutralized or prematurely detonated. It's not guided nor does it change trajectory so that can easily be accomplished.
-C4 is blown away w/ Fuuton.

Hiruzen's range w/ Shadow Shuriken, Enma, clones and his elemental Ninjutsu means that Deidara gets clipped in mid air and dies a terrible death.


That or Deidara blows them both up with C0.

This.

Though its funny to me Kakuzu does a lot of the same here but completely different things were being said in that thread.

 

[KidGamer65]

This.

Though its funny to me Kakuzu does a lot of the same here but completely different things were being said in that thread.

-Kakuzu didn't have intel on C4. Hiruzen does.
-Kakuzu's range is nothing compared to Hiruzen's, which is a major part of why he actually wins. The only attack that has good range is Atsugai and most of that is width not length.

So no, Kakuzu doesn't blow away C4 w/ Fuuton. He doesn't knock Deidara out of the air with his elemental Ninjutsu. Nor does he take care of C3 unless he manages to figure out that Raiton can diffuse Deidara's bombs.

 

[ToshiZO]

-Kakuzu didn't have intel on C4. Hiruzen does.
-Kakuzu's range is nothing compared to Hiruzen's, which is a major part of why he actually wins. The only attack that has good range is Atsugai and most of that is width not length.

So no, Kakuzu doesn't blow away C4 w/ Fuuton. He doesn't knock Deidara out of the air with his elemental Ninjutsu. Nor does he take care of C3 unless he manages to figure out that Raiton can diffuse Deidara's bombs.

I was talking about people saying even with intel he loses.

He actually does blow away C4 with fuuton. Thats actually one thing Atsugai's actually good for.

Kakuzu actually has the range necessary his masks can glide as well. Taking him higher, Sasuke used a similar tactic and Sasuke's reach <<<<< Kakuzu's.

Range is never an issue for him in any shape or form.

And he actually might even hold a better advantage than Hiruzen considering 90% of Deidara's arsenal is tanked via domu, whereas Deidara can hurt Hiruzen if he gets to him.

So all that blasting away stuff you wrote in your post applies to Kakuzu aswell (widespread ninjutsu is even better for defensive purposes) but the difference is if attacks manage to actually squeeze by they still do nothing because of Domu.

Hiruzen has more reach than Kakuzu that's it. But Kakuzu is one of the few characters who actually can fight from any range so this definitely doesn't give Deidara any sort of advantage.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kakuzu's attacks are all effective in long-ranges according to the Databook. Range will never be an issue for Kakuzu assuming that Deidara doesn't hover off into the stratosphere.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was talking about people saying even with intel he loses.

He actually does blow away C4 with fuuton. Thats actually one thing Atsugai's actually good for.

Kakuzu actually has the range necessary his masks can glide as well. Taking him higher, Sasuke used a similar tactic and Sasuke's reach <<<<< Kakuzu's.

Range is never an issue for him in any shape or form.

And he actually might even hold a better advantage than Hiruzen considering 90% of Deidara's arsenal is tanked via domu, whereas Deidara can hurt Hiruzen if he gets to him.

So all that blasting away stuff you wrote in your post applies to Kakuzu aswell (widespread ninjutsu is even better for defensive purposes) but the difference is if attacks manage to actually squeeze by they still do nothing because of Domu.

Hiruzen has more reach than Kakuzu that's it. But Kakuzu is one of the few characters who actually can fight from any range so this definitely doesn't give Deidara any sort of advantage.

Oh, I thought you were just referring to the thread in general. If he has intel on Deidara's abilities then I agree Kakuzu would win.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Does Hiruzen know Deidara uses an earth seal for the bombs, because that can tell him Raiton counters the bombs

 

[Oblivionx]

Does Hiruzen know Deidara uses an earth seal for the bombs, because that can tell him Raiton counters the bombs

i think that's basic knowledge once he sees deidara using clay which is extension of earth element.

 

[BLAZE]

Lightning bolt gg

 

[Tantalus Thief]

i think that's basic knowledge once he sees deidara using clay which is extension of earth element.

Wasn't it the doton hand seal what convinced Sasuke it was a doton based jutsu? I'm not sure if we can say just seeing the clay will tell Hiruzen it's earth based.

 

[KCN]

Does Hiruzen know Deidara uses an earth seal for the bombs, because that can tell him Raiton counters the bombs

Yeah, lets assume he does.

 

[Zexion~]

Even without intel he would know of Deidara's bombs being doton (Kakuzu).


Anyways how exactly does enma tank? The physical monkey isn't tanking shit here, don't forget about the mines also.

With full intel he wins though.

 

[Oblivionx]

Wasn't it the doton hand seal what convinced Sasuke it was a doton based jutsu? I'm not sure if we can say just seeing the clay will tell Hiruzen it's earth based.

Well hiruzen himself is doton user so i doubt it'd be hard for him to judge it. Plus he even figured that that TSB was combination of more than 3 elements showing his knowledge of elemental jutsus.

 

[TRE MERCER]

-C1 is blocked w/ Enma, Earth Walls or simply blown away with offense.
-C1 Guided bombs are simply blasted away since a defense that doesn't cover 360 degrees without holes in it will only get him killed here.
-C2 is blocked w/ Enma or neutralized w/ Raiton when he figures out Deidara's trick or blown away/prematurely detonated by another elemental Ninjutsu.
-C3 can only be neutralized or prematurely detonated. It's not guided nor does it change trajectory so that can easily be accomplished.
-C4 is blown away w/ Fuuton.

Hiruzen's range w/ Shadow Shuriken, Enma, clones and his elemental Ninjutsu means that Deidara gets clipped in mid air and dies a terrible death.


That or Deidara blows them both up with C0.

This.

Though its funny to me Kakuzu does a lot of the same here but completely different things were being said in that thread.

What happens if Deidara sends a clone of a clone and a bird to to get C3 within range and then detonate it? His raition stream isn't catching Deidara bird since it to linear. Deidara already dodged majority of Gaara's attacks to and to his air evasive feats.