Hiruzen Strength Completely Analysed

[yuan of cruxis]

I read it and I still don't care for Hiruzen because fanboys always say that he could beat people like Edo Madara or Nagato, which unless he were lucky and used the death reaper seal, he couldn't even pull a draw against.

That is my main issue with Hiruzen.

Hiruzen could beat Nagato
And he have the skills to beat him

 

[Owarij]

Hiruzen could beat Nagato
And he have the skills to beat him

no he can't o.0

little people can beat nagato, tobi and kabuto being one of the few

none of the hokages can beat him imo

 

[Viewtiful]

The Rinnegan is so HAX. I wonder if Kishimoto realizes what he's done...

 

[kellzfresh]

I somewhat agreed to this thread, after all there must have been a reason why the third hokage was the only one mentioned as the strongest of the 5 hokages

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Dammit Kishimoto! I wanted to see some fights in Hiruzen's past, and not just

Hiruzen vs. Hokage/Orochimaru.

Anywho, awesome thread dude. Hiruzen is really strong. Not many shinobi can come out of retirement and still lay the smackdown on formidable shinobi like Oro.

 

[NarutoKage2]

I can read just fine, thank you.

Does'nt seem like it.

Yes, and do you think Kishimoto would write that in his bias-free DBs if that was untrue?

What? Kishi wrote what others said in his databook, what part of that don't you understand?:sy:
It was'nt biased, as he basically reiterated what was in the manga.

Are you an idiot? It just said the words/phrases used. And yet again, if you're going to doubt this then Hashirama was not stronger than everyone in the world currently, seeing as it was said by Kabuto. Putting something in a databook cements it as FACT, otherwise it would be stupidity (great stupidity) on your part to say he consistently put this in EVERY databook for 12+ years if it wasn't.

Yes, that statement was said by Kabuto. Thus, that statement of Hashirama being stronger than anyone is valid only in so far as Kabuto was telling the truth/Kabuto's statement is a reflection of his opinion, nothing more.
That's how you analyze something, its called unbiased opinion, jerk. You are taking every statement ever made by anyone as the Divine truth, so don't call others an idiot, you hypocrite, you're the only one here.

Actually, it says he's called the strongest, EVER, by the past Hokage. Perhaps YOU should up your reading comprehension.

I was right about you being a hypocrite. I quoted the 3 statements from the databook that YOU gave, moron.Word for word. Check it again, or are you just a troll who pulls things out of his ass?

For the last time. It would be massively stupid on your part to imply that Kishimoto stated Repeatedly, In EVERY databook, for over twelve years that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage without a doubt if it weren't true. Nowhere in any of his writings is doubt cast upon this. Not once.

Is this guy serious or what?


KISHI HAS NEVER FCKNG STATED THAT HIRUZEN WAS THE STRONGEST HOKAGE!!!

He just said that others have said he was.
Don't understand the difference?:sy:
Then take some reading and comprehension classes, you're failing miserably at understanding most simple and obvious things.

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Didnt read but hiruzen is the greatest.....i hope that was what yu was goin for

 

[MrLukyso]

1) The strongest technique in part 1 was never rasengan..

2)Bullshit, Kishi had already wrote about tobirama and hashirama.. he put them in flashbacks with hiruzen, he made kakashi talk about the fight between madara and hashirama at the valley of the end

3) right? because you need a kkg to be strong?

4) I said OLD, hiruzen was equal to hiruzen.. Kishi made it explicitly clear, that if hiruzen was 10 years younger he'd defeat him

5) Hahsirama and tobirama WERE NEVER at 30% of their power, stop making up statistics

6) lMAO , 1) he would have a 5 in speed in prime state, 2) you think you need speed to counter ftg? don't kid me.. Bee predicted where minato was going to go and used it against him, and bee is no genius..
any ninja can use a suiton that would pick up all of minato's kunai on the ground and carry them elsewhere... Ftg can be defeated in MANY ways... stop overrating it

7) what? who do you think gave jiraya that gut thing to never give up? did you watch the fight?

8) Urm, and hashirama had a counter for sharingan etc? it's called not looking at their eyes.. ask kakashi

9) enma was destroying moukouton easily in staff mode, only like 3 ninjas have counters for tbb

10) yea.. kabuto said there were a few people with "Fairy trail strength" hashirama being included ..what's your point? , hiruzen was said in manga and databooks to be the strongest of the hokages, and by kabuto in the manga to be the strongest kage...


Part 1 < Part 2 of Naruto. Get a life I respect for creating this thread but he's not top 1 Hokage, I bet even Tobirama would own him... He wasn't able to protect his Teacher who fought against army when he was at 18~, he wasn't able to kill Orochimaru in 69~, Itachi did it easily at 13... He lacks plenty of things.

God you're retarded, 1) Part 1 naruto doesn;t > part 2

though the power levels may have increased, it means nothing..

Itachi defeated oro at 11, A long time ago.. Oro improved since then, got edo tensei..

Oro + hashirama + tobirama vs 70 year old itachi is a totally different fight is it not? stop talking bullshit

you aren't even arguing with me, the most ridiculous part of all your idiotic statements, is that you're arguing with kishi's story, and kishi's words

1. Maybe not the Rasengan, but it was one of the strongest, now after seeing Hashi, Madara, Tobi, Kabuto, Naruto power it isn't even worth using, that's how power got up.

2. Ou really ? Then why Tobirama is still mistery and we don't know any of Hashi normal abilities he used against Madara ? eh ?

3. Yes, Sharingan, Rinnegan, Lava release and all other KG are what makes shinobi strong.
4. Yes ant what ? Itachi in 70's would rape him, at the power he was.
5. Well okay not 30%, maybe 20% who cares? No more 30% anyway though, no ST, No normal Mokuton cause of the seal there was.. All we saw is some weak mokuton and some suiton lol.
6. Why FGT ? Tobirama, Tobi ? Eeh? Anyway though, he lacks speed at any point when going against like Naruto, Nagato or something.
8. ?? Itachi did it with 1 finger not his eyes lol.
9. Because that Mokuton was no more than 50% of what Hashi is capable of ? Also there was just a small scale, in large scale Emma would shit his pants... That staff can't block such an attack as Mokuton.
10. DO YOU REALIZE THAT FACTS AND STORY AND POWERS CHANGES EVERY CHAPTER ? IT WAS SAID 10 YEARS AGO.

Oro + hashirama + tobirama vs 70 year old itachi is a totally different fight is it not? stop talking bullshit

Da heck ? Do you even realize that Hashi and Tobirama wasn't even fighting Hiruzen ? - You can say that after seeing what they only did... Edo tensei was FAR FROM PERFECT.

 

[Ryuu..]

1. Maybe not the Rasengan, but it was one of the strongest, now after seeing Hashi, Madara, Tobi, Kabuto, Naruto power it isn't even worth using, that's how power got up.

2. Ou really ? Then why Tobirama is still mistery and we don't know any of Hashi normal abilities he used against Madara ? eh ?

3. Yes, Sharingan, Rinnegan, Lava release and all other KG are what makes shinobi strong.
4. Yes ant what ? Itachi in 70's would rape him, at the power he was.
5. Well okay not 30%, maybe 20% who cares? No more 30% anyway though, no ST, No normal Mokuton cause of the seal there was.. All we saw is some weak mokuton and some suiton lol.
6. Why FGT ? Tobirama, Tobi ? Eeh? Anyway though, he lacks speed at any point when going against like Naruto, Nagato or something.
8. ?? Itachi did it with 1 finger not his eyes lol.
9. Because that Mokuton was no more than 50% of what Hashi is capable of ? Also there was just a small scale, in large scale Emma would shit his pants... That staff can't block such an attack as Mokuton.
10. DO YOU REALIZE THAT FACTS AND STORY AND POWERS CHANGES EVERY CHAPTER ? IT WAS SAID 10 YEARS AGO.



Da heck ? Do you even realize that Hashi and Tobirama wasn't even fighting Hiruzen ? - You can say that after seeing what they only did... Edo tensei was FAR FROM PERFECT.

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[Owarij]

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lmao i could only hope he is able to read

 

[Baka Sennin]

it's quite obvious that hashirama and tobirama's performance vs hiruzen is just shadowed by the massive difference in power levels between part 1 and part 2. it doesn't mean they weren't perfect edo tensei, it simply means that as hashirama's and tobirama's powers have been adjusted somewhat in pt2, hiruzen should be also if he features in the storyline again.

 

[Owarij]

it's quite obvious that hashirama and tobirama's performance vs hiruzen is just shadowed by the massive difference in power levels between part 1 and part 2. it doesn't mean they weren't perfect edo tensei, it simply means that as hashirama's and tobirama's powers have been adjusted somewhat in pt2, hiruzen should be also if he features in the storyline again.

Been trying to explain this but people are dense

if kishi re wrote part 1 , that fight would be totally different and include much more things from the hokages..

 

[Blaze Release]

Tbh this is what i believe.
Sarutobi was the strongest hokage, not in terms of raw power but because he was thought by both the 1st and 2nd therefore he has not only improved on their techniques (forbiddent techniques - scroll naruto stole), but also knows their weakness and might be able to exploit them if he was to fight either and he did to an extent. For example he faired very well against bringer of darkness. He knew its weakness which is that apart from taking the opponents eye sight away from them, all the other senses are still available.

So whilst hiruzen is the strongest hokage because of the info he knows from the 2 sensei's and MIGHT defeat them, i do not for a second believe that he matched hashirama in terms of raw power

 

[Rhoxors]

Great thread Owarij, better read even!
The points you've stated out are argumented and valid, I agree with you, Hiruzen was (one of) the strongest shinobi. However sadly everyone loses their power with age, so has he and sadly everyone that isn't seeing this doesn't think straight.
It's just a fact, in his prime he had supreme skill but in his late stages it all just faded with the ages.
+rep

 

[TheSages456]

it's quite obvious that hashirama and tobirama's performance vs hiruzen is just shadowed by the massive difference in power levels between part 1 and part 2. it doesn't mean they weren't perfect edo tensei, it simply means that as hashirama's and tobirama's powers have been adjusted somewhat in pt2, hiruzen should be also if he features in the storyline again.

hiruzen has already been shown in part 2, during the kyuubi attack and his best feat was crying for minato.

 

[MrLukyso]

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It was perfected, but not at that time really Now Kabuto easily controls pleny of people, Orochimaru wasn't able to fully control 2 Yes he perfected it but after the fight against Hiruzen.

And shown Hiruzen in part 2 can only cry for Minato. In terms of raw power, Hashirama would win this without Medium dificulty, maybe Easy to Med. Like Blaze said, with knowing the secrets and weaknesses the he would loose.

REMEMBER - THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN SEE THROUGH MOKUTON CLONES ARE MADARA UCHIHA, HIRUZEN CAN'T DO THAT.

 

[Ryuu..]

It was perfected, but not at that time really Now Kabuto easily controls pleny of people, Orochimaru wasn't able to fully control 2 Yes he perfected it but after the fight against Hiruzen.

And shown Hiruzen in part 2 can only cry for Minato. In terms of raw power, Hashirama would win this without Medium dificulty, maybe Easy to Med. Like Blaze said, with knowing the secrets and weaknesses the he would loose.

REMEMBER - THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN SEE THROUGH MOKUTON CLONES ARE MADARA UCHIHA, HIRUZEN CAN'T DO THAT.

lol.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

I don't think a ninja withuot Rinnegan can use the Five Elements becuase Jiraiya was Hiruzen's pupil and even he was shocked by Nagato's power over all 5.

 

[Owarij]

I don't think a ninja withuot Rinnegan can use the Five Elements becuase Jiraiya was Hiruzen's pupil and even he was shocked by Nagato's power over all 5.

jiraya was shocked? Only thin jiraya was really impressed about was him doing it at age 10.. or 12

I provided the databook scans where kishi himself states ninjas can master all elements, Jounins usually have 2

 

[siyo]

I applaud you for still trying, Owarj.I really do.


I just saw a thread where the majority of people believed Hashirama was the real god of shinobi despite Hiruzen earning that moniker. :sy:

We might aswell make a thread asking who the real yellow flash is? A or Minato?