Hiruzen Sarutobi Vs Madara Uchiha.

[Raiten Uchiha]

Let me start off by saying.
Madara is known as a very powerful shinobi.
Hiruzen is also.

The First Hokage beat Madara. Then it is said by Madara that it was after his fight with the first Hokage that he awoken his Rinnegan.
If Madara was beaten so easily by the First... I think it would be child's play for Hiruzen, i mean the man was considered the most powerful shinobi of his time, the strongest Hokage, and the strongest kage during his lifetime.
Prior to his death, he faced and defeated both the First and Second Hokage, sealing their souls away. In his old age he was capable of holding his own against two Kages and Orochimaru. And stated by Enma that the fight was was disgrace than when he was in his prime. So i believe that Hiruzen would have beaten Madara if he had faced him before and after he achieved his Rinnegan. Tell me what you think.

 

[Baka Sennin]

ems madara, hiruzen. rinnegan madara, not enough info, but probably madara. we know so little about them it's hard to say really

 

[Talk No Jutsu]

No ...

Sealing the two Hokages doesn't mean he's stronger than either of them, Hashirama and Tobirama, had their personalities removed, and were under the full control of Oro so they couldn't fight to their full potential or use their abilities to the full potential, and another thing is Oro didn't know to use Edo Tensei to it's full advantage, We didn't even see Tobirama's other abilities such as S/T Jutsu or see him fight using his Sword.


And Fighting Madara, a Childplay? -_-

You're underestimating him greatly.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

ems madara, hiruzen. rinnegan madara, not enough info, but probably madara. we know so little about them it's hard to say really

When Madara faced the First Hokage im pretty sure he had the EMS, nd i stated that he can beat Madara before and AFTER he got the Rinnegan.

 

[Flame Alchemist]

he doesn't stand a chance against rinnegan madara
I don't know about the EMS madara though

 

[Illyasviel]

No ...

Sealing the two Hokages doesn't mean he's stronger than either of them, Hashirama and Tobirama, had their personalities removed, and were under the full control of Oro so they couldn't fight to their full potential or use their abilities to the full potential, and another thing is Oro didn't know to use Edo Tensei to it's full advantage, We didn't even see Tobirama's other abilities such as S/T Jutsu or see him fight using his Sword.


And Fighting Madara, a Childplay? -_-

You're underestimating him greatly.

This
and Madara would win

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

No ...

Sealing the two Hokages doesn't mean he's stronger than either of them, Hashirama and Tobirama, had their personalities removed, and were under the full control of Oro so they couldn't fight to their full potential or use their abilities to the full potential, and another thing is Oro didn't know to use Edo Tensei to it's full advantage, We didn't even see Tobirama's other abilities such as S/T Jutsu or see him fight using his Sword.


And Fighting Madara, a Childplay? -_-

You're underestimating him greatly.

Maybe i am... But Hiruzen isnt a pushover and easily handled three Kage level shinobi way past his prime... If he was maybe 40 years younger... Orochimaru would have died in that fight.

 

[Hei]

if hiruzen in his prime he has a chance but i'm still not sure
we don't know much about hiruzen's true power it's difficult to say who wins

 

[Talk No Jutsu]

Maybe i am... But Hiruzen isnt a pushover and easily handled three Kage level shinobi way past his prime... If he was maybe 40 years younger... Orochimaru would have died in that fight.

He didn't handle them easily, he handled them at the cost of his life, and one of them even survived.

 

[NarutoMinato468]

The guy is taking on 5 kages and you think hiruzen can beat him while he has the rinnegan COME ON MAN. Ems madara idk about him.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Oh my god is this even a thread? I can't believe hos much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Hashirama and Madara were equals. EQUALS. They fought over and over all the time and both were still alive, fanboys are the worst. Hashirama did not beat Madara easily, and we aren't even sure that he beat him alone. Kushina says that Mito Uzumaki was there, but we don't know how much she helped so we can't take that into account but logically she would have had to help alot.

Secondly Hiruzen didn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama. They didn't have control over themselves and he was getting beaten the entire time. He was losing and actually lost. His ninjutsu were ineffective against their elemental superiority, he could do nothing. And had Oro let them loose instead of controlling them, they would have killed him in minutes. As it is he had to kill himself and he still pulled off a loss, Oro got away and was alive.

EMS Madara is either equal to or greater than Hiruzen.

Rinnegan Madara, it isn't even a competition. It is kind of making me mad how much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Rinnegan Madara has obviously the all of the abilities of the rinnegan, his EMS abilities, regular sharingan abilities, and finally all of Hashirama's abilities.

So unless you are claiming that Hiruzen can beat Nagato, Hashirama, and EMS Madara at once then this thread is ****ing retarded and needs to be closed. Hiruzen couldn't even beat one of those people let alone all of them. All those internet memes I have read are wrong, this is definitely not Sparta, this is MADNESS!

Consider this thread closed. No one else reply. This thread is too stupid to keep going.

 

[NarutoMinato468]

Oh my god is this even a thread? I can't believe hos much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Hashirama and Madara were equals. EQUALS. They fought over and over all the time and both were still alive, fanboys are the worst. Hashirama did not beat Madara easily, and we aren't even sure that he beat him alone. Kushina says that Mito Uzumaki was there, but we don't know how much she helped so we can't take that into account but logically she would have had to help alot.

Secondly Hiruzen didn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama. They didn't have control over themselves and he was getting beaten the entire time. He was losing and actually lost. His ninjutsu were ineffective against their elemental superiority, he could do nothing. And had Oro let them loose instead of controlling them, they would have killed him in minutes. As it is he had to kill himself and he still pulled off a loss, Oro got away and was alive.

EMS Madara is either equal to or greater than Hiruzen.

Rinnegan Madara, it isn't even a competition. It is kind of making me mad how much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Rinnegan Madara has obviously the all of the abilities of the rinnegan, his EMS abilities, regular sharingan abilities, and finally all of Hashirama's abilities.

So unless you are claiming that Hiruzen can beat Nagato, Hashirama, and EMS Madara at once then this thread is ****ing retarded and needs to be closed. Hiruzen couldn't even beat one of those people let alone all of them. All those internet memes I have read are wrong, this is definitely not Sparta, this is MADNESS!

Consider this thread closed. No one else reply. This thread is too stupid to keep going.

^^ This.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Oh my god is this even a thread? I can't believe hos much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Hashirama and Madara were equals. EQUALS. They fought over and over all the time and both were still alive, fanboys are the worst. Hashirama did not beat Madara easily, and we aren't even sure that he beat him alone. Kushina says that Mito Uzumaki was there, but we don't know how much she helped so we can't take that into account but logically she would have had to help alot.

Secondly Hiruzen didn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama. They didn't have control over themselves and he was getting beaten the entire time. He was losing and actually lost. His ninjutsu were ineffective against their elemental superiority, he could do nothing. And had Oro let them loose instead of controlling them, they would have killed him in minutes. As it is he had to kill himself and he still pulled off a loss, Oro got away and was alive.

EMS Madara is either equal to or greater than Hiruzen.

Rinnegan Madara, it isn't even a competition. It is kind of making me mad how much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Rinnegan Madara has obviously the all of the abilities of the rinnegan, his EMS abilities, regular sharingan abilities, and finally all of Hashirama's abilities.

So unless you are claiming that Hiruzen can beat Nagato, Hashirama, and EMS Madara at once then this thread is ****ing retarded and needs to be closed. Hiruzen couldn't even beat one of those people let alone all of them. All those internet memes I have read are wrong, this is definitely not Sparta, this is MADNESS!

Consider this thread closed. No one else reply. This thread is too stupid to keep going.

I didnt even bother to read this after i got to "fanboys" listen... GTFO my thread with that BS, i am not a fanboy or whatever you call it... smfh.
Stop labeling ppl its ignorant.

 

[alipjana]

Let me start off by saying.
Madara is known as a very powerful shinobi.
Hiruzen is also.

The First Hokage beat Madara. Then it is said by Madara that it was after his fight with the first Hokage that he awoken his Rinnegan.
If Madara was beaten so easily by the First... I think it would be child's play for Hiruzen, i mean the man was considered the most powerful shinobi of his time, the strongest Hokage, and the strongest kage during his lifetime.
Prior to his death, he faced and defeated both the First and Second Hokage, sealing their souls away. In his old age he was capable of holding his own against two Kages and Orochimaru. And stated by Enma that the fight was was disgrace than when he was in his prime. So i believe that Hiruzen would have beaten Madara if he had faced him before and after he achieved his Rinnegan. Tell me what you think.

dude even hashirama was considered the strngset shinobi of his tym....madara wins this one...

 

[Baka Sennin]

Oh my god is this even a thread? I can't believe hos much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Hashirama and Madara were equals. EQUALS. They fought over and over all the time and both were still alive, fanboys are the worst. Hashirama did not beat Madara easily, and we aren't even sure that he beat him alone. Kushina says that Mito Uzumaki was there, but we don't know how much she helped so we can't take that into account but logically she would have had to help alot.

Secondly Hiruzen didn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama. They didn't have control over themselves and he was getting beaten the entire time. He was losing and actually lost. His ninjutsu were ineffective against their elemental superiority, he could do nothing. And had Oro let them loose instead of controlling them, they would have killed him in minutes. As it is he had to kill himself and he still pulled off a loss, Oro got away and was alive.

EMS Madara is either equal to or greater than Hiruzen.

Rinnegan Madara, it isn't even a competition. It is kind of making me mad how much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Rinnegan Madara has obviously the all of the abilities of the rinnegan, his EMS abilities, regular sharingan abilities, and finally all of Hashirama's abilities.

So unless you are claiming that Hiruzen can beat Nagato, Hashirama, and EMS Madara at once then this thread is ****ing retarded and needs to be closed. Hiruzen couldn't even beat one of those people let alone all of them. All those internet memes I have read are wrong, this is definitely not Sparta, this is MADNESS!

Consider this thread closed. No one else reply. This thread is too stupid to keep going.

maybe, but kushina didn't say mito was there, only that she sealed the fox into herself after. and orochimaru said that hiruzen would have won were he just 10 years younger. that puts him at 58, still at least 10 years away from when his chakra levels begin to decline greatly.

plus, madara is nowhere near being nagato,hashirama and ems madara at once. he has ems madara's skill, the ability to use SOME of hashirama's power and he has shown nowhere near nagato's mastery of the rinnegan so far, except that meteor jutsu. he's an edo tensei, he can spam whatever he wants without fear of losing his chakra. and he's completed beyond his prime. so the real rinnegan madara would be much worse.

i'm not saying that i disagree that rinnegan madara would win, but youre comparing a 70-year old hiruzen with an edo tensei, completed beyond prime madara. it's quite possible that rinnegan madara didn't have hashirama's power, only his cells.

 

[alipjana]

Oh my god is this even a thread? I can't believe hos much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Hashirama and Madara were equals. EQUALS. They fought over and over all the time and both were still alive, fanboys are the worst. Hashirama did not beat Madara easily, and we aren't even sure that he beat him alone. Kushina says that Mito Uzumaki was there, but we don't know how much she helped so we can't take that into account but logically she would have had to help alot.

Secondly Hiruzen didn't beat Hashirama and Tobirama. They didn't have control over themselves and he was getting beaten the entire time. He was losing and actually lost. His ninjutsu were ineffective against their elemental superiority, he could do nothing. And had Oro let them loose instead of controlling them, they would have killed him in minutes. As it is he had to kill himself and he still pulled off a loss, Oro got away and was alive.

EMS Madara is either equal to or greater than Hiruzen.

Rinnegan Madara, it isn't even a competition. It is kind of making me mad how much Hiruzen is being overrated.

Rinnegan Madara has obviously the all of the abilities of the rinnegan, his EMS abilities, regular sharingan abilities, and finally all of Hashirama's abilities.

So unless you are claiming that Hiruzen can beat Nagato, Hashirama, and EMS Madara at once then this thread is ****ing retarded and needs to be closed. Hiruzen couldn't even beat one of those people let alone all of them. All those internet memes I have read are wrong, this is definitely not Sparta, this is MADNESS!

Consider this thread closed. No one else reply. This thread is too stupid to keep going.

this is damn true..well put..respectU_U

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

maybe, but kushina didn't say mito was there, only that she sealed the fox into herself after. and orochimaru said that hiruzen would have won were he just 10 years younger. that puts him at 58, still at least 10 years away from when his chakra levels begin to decline greatly.

plus, madara is nowhere near being nagato,hashirama and ems madara at once. he has ems madara's skill, the ability to use SOME of hashirama's power and he has shown nowhere near nagato's mastery of the rinnegan so far, except that meteor jutsu. he's an edo tensei, he can spam whatever he wants without fear of losing his chakra. and he's completed beyond his prime. so the real rinnegan madara would be much worse.

i'm not saying that i disagree that rinnegan madara would win, but youre comparing a 70-year old hiruzen with an edo tensei, completed beyond prime madara. it's quite possible that rinnegan madara didn't have hashirama's power, only his cells.

He has the ability to use all of those powers regardless, the capacity for it is there. It doesn't matter if he isn't quite as good as Nagato was with the rinnegan, he has rinnegan powers. It doesn't matter if he is as skilled with mokuton as hashirama, he has mokuton.

It isn't quite the same as fighting all three of them at once, but Hiruzen doesn't even have the powers to fight even one of these people evenly. Hiruzen was trapped by Hashirama easily. And Oro was controlling them, they didn't even get to choose their moves for themselves and Tobirama didn't use any ST or any of his actual moves.

And you say if he was ten years younger, well let's go back 12 years when he fought the 9-tails. Minato fought the 9-tails by himself, yet Hiruzen when he was 56 needed an entire squadron of high level ninja as backup. If I had made a thread claiming Minato could kill rinnegan Madara the shit would hit the fan and everyone would be screaming their heads off that I am a fanboy, yet it is far more plausible that Minato could beat him than Hiruzen, and Minato has no chance against Rinnegan Madara.

Hiruzen stands literally no chance and in no way is this a serious battle. I thought this was a troll thread but people are actually considering it and some think Hiruzen would actually win. If that is not fanboyism then I don't know what is.

Fanboyism is when you take your favorite character and put them in impossible situations and say they will win. People are doing that here so does that not make them fanboys? Because this isn't even a matter of opinion anymore, this is just a fact.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

i doubt if hiruzen can defeat ems madara........ and rinnegan madara is miles n miles away then...