Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[narutownsyouall]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Hiruzen in feats> Everyone but Naruto and SO6P He beat two Hokage at once along with almost killing a Sannin.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Im no fanboy. But as im reading everyones post i realize when u try to defend one hokage and state why hes the best u have to ignore what other characters said about other hokages. In part one even though the 3rd was considered the god of shinobi, the 4th was also said to be the best. Kishi said in an interview that the 4th was the stronest of all the dead nin. Then changed his mind and sais the 3rd and 4th were about equal. In part 2 kabuto states the 1st power is a fairy tale. Madara praises the 1st. But i do remember kakazu said he faced the 1st and stated he wasnt that strong. Madara because of his battle with the 1st. Kakazu lived. Im really tired so if im comimg off a bit confusing im sorry. But my point is using facts from the manga u can make great arguments for the 1st 3rd and 4th as the strongest hokage.

This was never stated anywhere.By remember, I think you mean, you made it up in your head?

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Hiruzen in feats> Everyone but Naruto and SO6P He beat two Hokage at once along with almost killing a Sannin.

How many times stupid people like you have to state the same nonsense? Read blaze release comments, something that has been stated on this forum numerous times, and has been proven by the manga.

Hiruzen fanboys are starting to get on my nerves especially when they believe hiruzen beat both hokages at their strongest which is obviously nonsense. Oro didnt make use of the hokages at all, he was a noob with the technique and thats why the hokages looked piss poor. Not to take anything away from the old man, but you are clearly talking out of your ass if you say he took on 2 hokages at their strongest

 

[Mudman]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

i dont know

 

[MisterPro]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Sasuke > 3rd hokage

 

[Lord Goku]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

before timeskip power lvl was different
after timeskip power lvl is more

 

[narutownsyouall]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

Before you comment, please READ the whole thing. Or you will be wasting your time. I tried keeping the post as small/concise as I could

We all know Hiruzen was 69 when he died.
Now during the kyuubi attack, he was (69-13)=56, his looks were different back then, he had black hair and was slightly taller. Even though he was old, we wasn't suffering from old age. If you look at Jiraiya when he died, he died at 53. So his age was very similar to hiruzen's during the kyuubi attack. Yet when Jiraiya fought Nagato, his abilities were not at all affected by old age. He was as good as he was in his prime. No one can argue a 30yo Jiraiya was 10 times stronger. In Naruto, a ninja is hardly affected by old age especially in their 50s..(Orochimaru, Tsunade, A)..they are almost as good as they were in their so called prime. In fact they get stronger during that age(Onoki got faster). So during the kyuubi attack, Hiruzen was pretty close to his prime to say the least.

What he did against the kyuubi was not at all bad, he drove the kyuubi out of the village. However, he was not able to fight it off and at one point he was on his knees about the get hit by the tbb. that's when Minato came into play and teleported the beast.

Now 3 years after the kyuubi attack, hiruzen still fought Orochimaru and defeated him fair and square. he was 59 at that time. The point is, when those anbu members said "HE DOESNT HAVE THE RESERVES OF CHAKRA HE ONCE HAD" they were referring to Hiruzen from 10 years ago when he actually had more chakras and better health.

Hiruzen had a long array of techniques in his arsenal, but he never was godlike strong like Nagato, Madara or Hashirama for that matter. Heck even Hiruzen himself said and I quote" you can destroy me, but a stronger hokage will take my place and defend the hidden leaf village" and he was thinking about Minato(showed flashback). implying Minato was stronger than him. "Prime Hiruzen" is not 100 times stronger than the 56yo Hiruzen that fought the kyuubi. He had to rely on Minato during that attack.

There are people equipped to handle TB better than others. It does not make them better. Sasuke at 13 had a better chance of beating a TB due to Sharingan control but he was not as good as Hiruzen.

He beat two Kage and a sannin alone at 69 he is very powerful but some ninj's are just not meant to handle TB and Minato if he had lived 10 more years would be stronger than Hiruzen. He was able to handle a TB due to Space/Time and sealing jutsu.

Hiruzen is still the strongest hokage.

 

[raju22]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

When People compare someone with god, it is not only about power, there are other things involved, like knowledge and more importantly RESPECT, if you look at current Madara and current Tobi, they are much more powerful then Hiruzen, but People will never call them god, Because they do not Respect them the way they respected Hiruzen, or SO6P,for example.

As long as i recall his nickname was 'The Professor',and i think that is more appropriate for him.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

How many times stupid people like you have to state the same nonsense? Read blaze release comments, something that has been stated on this forum numerous times, and has been proven by the manga.

Name off someone else who has beat two Hokage (the best of all the Kage, one of them being the man who beat Madara and the other the creator of edo tensai.) along with a Sannin. All at the age of 69.

Seriously call me an idiot again after you show me a feat greater than that.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

are you dense? noone "fights" they kyuubi and wins..

You can only seal, control or supress it...Was hiruzen a master of seals? NO

The third raikage can only tie with the eight tails...
Nine tails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight...

Wtf do you want him to do? The "god" nagato and his rinnegan failed against 50% 8 tail kyuubi...

 

[Sonin]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Name off someone else who has beat two Hokage (the best of all the Kage, one of them being the man who beat Madara and the other the creator of edo tensai.) along with a Sannin. All at the age of 69.

Seriously call me an idiot again after you show me a feat greater than that.

NO, he beat two puppets and a weak oro. Orochimaru grew so much after that fight. He was completely controlling the kages' actions. How can we say that it was there full potential when they used 3 techniques between the two of them? YOU CAN'T Mukoton would have ended Hiruzen either way.

 

[Exaar]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Ok honestly now that statement is just utter bullshit.

I feel like you deserve a -rep for that. I won't give it to you, but you definitely deserve it if you think that Old Hiruzen can beat Prime Minato.

I Mean that Hiruzen in his Prime can Beat Minato.

I'm not that naive to think Old Hiruzen > Minato, Guess i should have Worded that Post better.

 

[YellowFang]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

kishi also made it a point in the manga to call pain a god an called invincible, itachi with his sword an sheild to be invincible, an the 1st to be a ninja in his on class an his power was that of legend. So thats 2 gods(pain, an the 3rd) 2 people who were said to be invincible(itachi an pain) an one ninja in his own class and a legend(the 1st). An lets not forget minato which kishi also made it a point to say that he was a ninja never thought to be surpassed. Every one i jus named has more reason to be thought invincible then the 3rd. The third just got a title for knowing alot of jutsu, just like kakashi got a title for knowing alot of jutsu.

Best reply......+rep

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Never got why kishi calls him the God of Shinobi. That should be reserved for the SO6P. The 3rd was a great shinobi and Hokage, but to call him the God of Shinobi seems over the top.

 

[joshu34]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

not another shitty hiruzen thread!:sy:

"sigh"

get this:hiruzen is a great shinobi and he's definitely in the top 10.there's no doubt about it.:shrug:

but the problem is when people make him the god of shinobi and overrate him,cause he is not.U_U

just look at how madara is toying with the kages,and you will know the difference between hashi and hiruzen.he took on ems madara prime+kyuubi(full chakra) and kicked their ass.simple as that.xd

oro was using hashi as a puppet and he didn't know any of hashi's prime techniques except mokuton.i am really confused why some people don't get this???

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

are you dense? noone "fights" they kyuubi and wins..

You can only seal, control or supress it...Was hiruzen a master of seals? NO

The third raikage can only tie with the eight tails...
Nine tails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight...

Wtf do you want him to do? The "god" nagato and his rinnegan failed against 50% 8 tail kyuubi...

Hiruzen wasn't just know as the professor for knowing (or at least knowing about) all the techniques in Konoha. But also for mastering of all forms of shinobi combat. In other words he mastered taijutsu, ninjutsu, genjutsu, fuinjutsu.

The point is...Yes, he was a master of seals.

Side note: Personally I dont think Hiruzen is anywhere near being the strongest. I also dont know whether he is being overestimated or not because I dont have a reference from which make a judgement.

 

[YellowFang]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

What Hiruzen fought at his age of 65+ were not actual ninjas except Orochimaru, taking 1st & 2nd as a threat in account is BS, they were like RC robots maneuvered by Oro , even so 3rd did his very best but in the end his very arsenal was not sufficient to defeat Oro and his tools(due to age factor, I agree...).
Oro never saw 1st and 2nd's fighting style or any of their battle yet he used them pretty well against 3rd but wasn't good enough to defeat a living hokage....
Hiruzen was intervally thinking of sometimes about 1st and 2nd and sometimes about 4th afterall relying on the tech of 4th to somehow draw the battle.....

The point is a GOD of Shinobi, 10 years after his prime can't be this much weaker than his prime form, tiring after using 3 shadow-clones, spitting out around 5 jutsus and dying consequently after using a seal...

 

[YellowFang]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

The point is...Yes, he was a master of seals.

True, if he could use the reaper death seal, he was master at sealing too, also he was able to suppress oro's cursed mark on anko which Kakashi couldn't do perfectly...

 

[Houssem]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Ok i just added Hiruzen to my list of flame starters.

 

[Raito]

Re: Prime hiruzen is overestimated-why?

are you dense? noone "fights" they kyuubi and wins..

You can only seal, control or supress it...Was hiruzen a master of seals? NO

The third raikage can only tie with the eight tails...
Nine tails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight...

Wtf do you want him to do? The "god" nagato and his rinnegan failed against 50% 8 tail kyuubi...

Kyuubi was superior to Devas Chibaku Tensei, Naruto beat him but Nagato on the other hand handled Naruto and Bee at the same time.

It's obvious that Hiruzen was hyped too much by Kishimoto. May Hiruzen was a very powerful Shinobi, I believe so too, but he wasn't the strongest of all even when Kishimoto gave him his hype then.

A 70 year old Hiruzen can beat the first and second Hokage at their prime? Just nonsense. Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen. If Hiruzen had been even stronger, his reputation and hype would have followed him to the current chapters..no, just no, Hiruzen wasn't stronger than Hashirama, the current chapters are more important than the shit Kishimoto gave us in the past.