Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Exaar]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

And ur forgot 1 thing the said was said 2be the strongest not the strongest and they where both weak Hell Iruka still thinks he can beat Naruto

He isn't weak, just because he can't beat Everyone and anyone doesn't make him weak.

Going by Your Logic, Everyone is weak apart from Kabuto (since he is the strongest thanks to Edo tensei)

And when did iruka say he thinks the 3rd hokage can still beat Naruto?. Care to show the manga page?

 

[Talal]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

its simple bcs 3rd doent displayed anything impressive in his fight against oro and his tech was originally is of minato's

secondly we dont know how strong and wat are all tech he has bcs he dont have something unique ability like gaara who can control sand or minato like FTG or even 1st which is wood element his fight against oro is just nothing but kakashi lvl jutsu and finally sealing thats why people think he is weak

The power scaling in part 1 was completely different than the power scaling in part 2 no one used large scale jutsu's in part 1. Also, why use large scale jutsu's when you can do without them. He was able to seal the first and second and take Orochimaru's hands saving Konoha. No one is capable of doing that at that old age!

And about the techniques it was stated that he knew every jutsu in Konoha, so there you go.

 

[quinaboy13]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Do you want a -rep? Yes or No?

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[teravita9]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

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[Mudo]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Well he's "God of Shinobi" to me unless the manga tells me otherwise.

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

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Actually, this was a VERY good point. +Rep. Now let me explain before Hiruzen style: Fanboyinsm is used on me.

Guy's, in his Prime it is true he was called the God of Shinobi, but he was a God to every shinobi in the present and the past, how can he be rated to someone who wasn't born yet? In other words let's say hiruzen was prime now in Part 2, I don't think he would have that title.

The Title was just a Part 1 hype. In other words the difference of power levels were different from Hiruzen's Time then current Part 2 Naruto. I understand many of you think he is the strongest because of the title, but he got the title BECAUSE he was the strongest at the time, (Understand?)

He is in no way shape or form weak, He at 69 years old beat The 1st 2 Hokage's and took Orochimaru's arms at the same time.

But even if we did know the extent of Hiruzen's powers, do you honestly think he could beat BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, Rinne-Tobi, and the list could go on. The point is Hiruzen is powerful indeed, really truly, but this overrating of him needs to stop.

 

[ItachiSan03]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

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Actually, this was a VERY good point. +Rep. Now let me explain before Hiruzen style: Fanboyinsm is used on me.

Guy's, in his Prime it is true he was called the God of Shinobi, but he was a God to every shinobi in the present and the past, how can he be rated to someone who wasn't born yet? In other words let's say hiruzen was prime now in Part 2, I don't think he would have that title.

The Title was just a Part 1 hype. In other words the difference of power levels were different from Hiruzen's Time then current Part 2 Naruto. I understand many of you think he is the strongest because of the title, but he got the title BECAUSE he was the strongest at the time, (Understand?)

He is in no way shape or form weak, He at 69 years old beat The 1st 2 Hokage's and took Orochimaru's arms at the same time.

But even if we did know the extent of Hiruzen's powers, do you honestly think he could beat BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, Rinne-Tobi, and the list could go on. The point is Hiruzen is powerful indeed, really truly, but this overrating of him needs to stop.

Agree with you 100%. +rep

 

[Borderliner]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Hiruzen....hiruzen...hiruzen.....not again!! He was strong, not god of shinobi!

 

[Raito]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

While I think Hiruzen was a very powerful Ninja in his prime, I don't think he is actually stronger than Hashirama, because Kishimoto surely didn't know what kind of hype Hashirama would get in the future.

I mean, a 70 year old Hiruzen can beat Prime Hashirama and Tobirama together? This was just a plot or a mistake by Kishimoto.

 

[Borderliner]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

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Actually, this was a VERY good point. +Rep. Now let me explain before Hiruzen style: Fanboyinsm is used on me.

Guy's, in his Prime it is true he was called the God of Shinobi, but he was a God to every shinobi in the present and the past, how can he be rated to someone who wasn't born yet? In other words let's say hiruzen was prime now in Part 2, I don't think he would have that title.

The Title was just a Part 1 hype. In other words the difference of power levels were different from Hiruzen's Time then current Part 2 Naruto. I understand many of you think he is the strongest because of the title, but he got the title BECAUSE he was the strongest at the time, (Understand?)

He is in no way shape or form weak, He at 69 years old beat The 1st 2 Hokage's and took Orochimaru's arms at the same time.

But even if we did know the extent of Hiruzen's powers, do you honestly think he could beat BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, Rinne-Tobi, and the list could go on. The point is Hiruzen is powerful indeed, really truly, but this overrating of him needs to stop.

Agree. Your "I know all techniques" image is great btw.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

hiruzen is about as powerfull as garra but when he was young id say he was pretty powerfull at ninjutsu not mutch else exept the RDS he was good but defo not the best !

 

[Arcaneos510X]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

PLEASE READ

Actually, this was a VERY good point. +Rep. Now let me explain before Hiruzen style: Fanboyinsm is used on me.

Guy's, in his Prime it is true he was called the God of Shinobi, but he was a God to every shinobi in the present and the past, how can he be rated to someone who wasn't born yet? In other words let's say hiruzen was prime now in Part 2, I don't think he would have that title.

The Title was just a Part 1 hype. In other words the difference of power levels were different from Hiruzen's Time then current Part 2 Naruto. I understand many of you think he is the strongest because of the title, but he got the title BECAUSE he was the strongest at the time, (Understand?)

He is in no way shape or form weak, He at 69 years old beat The 1st 2 Hokage's and took Orochimaru's arms at the same time.

But even if we did know the extent of Hiruzen's powers, do you honestly think he could beat BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, Rinne-Tobi, and the list could go on. The point is Hiruzen is powerful indeed, really truly, but this overrating of him needs to stop.

sir you speak the truth + rep 4 u

 

[Cerox0]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Agree with you 100%. +rep

Thanks

Agree. Your "I know all techniques" image is great btw.

Lol a lot of people think so thanksxD

sir you speak the truth + rep 4 u

Thanks, I just want to clarify this whole Prime hiruzen thing that's getting out of hand :S

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

<Sigh> I hate a>b>c logic. Hiruzen was the best Hokage, but Hashirama was the only one who could beat Madara. It's called a "bad matchup"; they happen quite often in Naruto

Deidara vs Sasuke was a "bad match up" for Deidara because Sasuke was a lighting style user, it doesn't automatically mean 3 tomoe Sasuke>Gaara because 3 tomoe Sasuke beat Deidara, who beat Gaara

Another "bad match up" would be Guy vs Kisame. Since Kisame couldn't absorb chakra because Guy didn't use much Ninjutsu, Kisame couldn't use a very powerful ability in his arsenal. It doesn't automatically mean that Guy can beat any Akatsuki member not named Itachi, Nagato, or Tobi because Kisame was considered the fourth most powerful Akatsuki member. It means Kisame got caught in a bad situation (because of the plot) and lost because of it

Hiruzen can still be the best Hokage and Hashirama can still be the only one who could beat Madara. Just because Madara>Hiruzen doesn't automatically mean Hashirama>Hiruzen, it just doesn't work like that in Naruto

 

[CrimsonH4ze]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Do you want a -rep? Yes or No?

roflmao

 

[Urda]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

It was said that Hurizen was often called God of Shinobi. Why is many going crazy over a title when he was 'OFTEN' referred to as such. Is it because the Sage also shares that title? Or does it symbolies power that Hurizen has not shown? Minato said Tobi's Space/Time Technique is better and surpasses his FTG, along with Tobimaru's Space/Time Techique. Does that make Tobi also nickname the "Fastest Shinobi Alive?" Can their not be two who share the same title.

Also, why care about 'Who should be called God of Shinobi?' Kish would not change it. If you still care then think of it this way: Hurizen may have got the nickname in his Prime. Along with many others. However, do to old age, he was unable to perform the same as when he was in his Prime. Years past since his Prime and he still holds his titles which he is known for by many.

It would be just like any other with a nickname. It something created during history.
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[Invsblphntm]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

The reason Hiruzen was so hyped up Part I was because Kishimoto wasn't planning ahead. If Kishimoto had rewritten it today, he wouldn't have been seen so strong and Kishimoto would've made Hashirama seem much more uber badass.

 

[Sonin]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

I came into this thread questioning Hiruzen, I left thread questioning my understanding of English..

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

Hiruzen fanboys are starting to get on my nerves especially when they believe hiruzen beat both hokages at their strongest which is obviously nonsense. Oro didnt make use of the hokages at all, he was a noob with the technique and thats why the hokages looked piss poor. Not to take anything away from the old man, but you are clearly talking out of your ass if you say he took on 2 hokages at their strongest

 

[Sonin]

Re: Why Hiruzen Prime was God of Shinobi

I want to know if the remaining parts of Harishama in the world weakened him. NOt only did Oro have a good amount of his cells and chakra, but tsunade's necklace. Tobi's shrine... I mean common......