Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

who is stronger

  • Hiruzen (3rd Hokage)

    Votes: 239 33.8%
  • Hashirama (1st Hokage)

    Votes: 469 66.2%

  • Total voters
    708
  • Poll closed .

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Until we have proper solid revelations of manga pages that will show Hiruzen's feats then its Hashirama> Hiruzen for now.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

To the people saying that Hiruzen is stronger... are you stupid?! Just use logic for god sake.

Do you think Hiruzen could defeat Madara + Kurama??
And to those that keep saying Hiruzen is stronger because he "defeated" the Hashirama and Tobirama while fighting Orochimaru clearly the Hashirama and the Tobirama were nerfed for the obvious reasons:

1- Orochimaru Edo Tensei wasn't perfected, Kabuto's is much better as you can see in the current manga

2- If Hashirama and Tobirama weren't fighting to their potential if they were then Orochimaru would be almost unbeatable... Wood,Water, Earth release, Space–Time Ninjutsu etc...

Not to mention that everyone wants/wanted Hashirama not Hiruzen's what does that tell you...
Just use common sense you can't rely on the manga for everything...

Also it was already mentioned on the manga by Madara, Tobi and Kabuto that Hashirama was on a different level from everyone else.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

no one knows until u put them in a fight versus eachother, which wont happen so this is all bs.
the answer is both are great hokages.
lol srsbuziness
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Oro's tech was better than kabuto's.
Oro talisman made his edo'd mindless killing machines, while kabuot let them keep there personality..
which means oro's were more ruthless without thinnking twice all they knew was to kill..
Orochimaru tech wasn't better than Kabuto's and that's a fact.Only a idiot could even say such nonsense when we see Kabuto summoning like 50 Edos while Orochimaru could only summon two.Not to mention, Kabuto chose to allow some of his Edo's to keep their personalities for the psychological reasons.He wanted the dead shinobis to converse with former friends, relatives, and lovers to hurt their moral and force them to lower their guard.This wasn't a weakness of Kabuto Edo Tensei jutsu, this was a battle strategy by Kabuto that work to some degree.If Kabuto wanted to, he could have taken away any of his Edo's personalities anytime he felt like it.Furthermore, just by the sheer number and the degree of which Kabuto Edo's have been shown, Orochimaru Edo's are not on the same level.Orochimaru didn't even had the 1st and 2nd Hokage fighting to the height of their capabilities.
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as for evidence all i know he fought 1st & 2nd simultaneously and sealed them
so hiruzen > 1st hokage
What don't morons understand about Hiruzen not fighting the 1st and 2nd Hokage at their real strength level.Did you see Tobirama used a S/T ninjutsu in that fight?Did Hashirama used Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees? How about a Multi-Wood Clone jutsu? Did Orochiamru even attack Hiruzen during the times both Tobirama and Hashirama were attacking him? Or was Orochimaru laying back and laughing as if the entire fight was a game?
 
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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Ima Go with the man ppl thought powers were a fairytale
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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

I guess 116 People think they know the Manga better than Kishi Does.

Kishi Stated Hiruzen was the strongest Kage, Thats all there is.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

I guess 116 People think they know the Manga better than Kishi Does.

Kishi Stated Hiruzen was the strongest Kage, Thats all there is.
Like what has been said a thousand times before, Kishi has said quite a few things that he later contradicted.Hiruzen being the strongest kage is one of them.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Many people have said that Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen, and i have a hard time believing that based on the evidence i get from manga and anime. So i wanna take a vote to see who Majority thinks was the strongest.

Hiruzen - Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi in his prime. Even in his old age, he was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had as well as the strongest of all the five Kage at the time of his death. Hiruzen was called The Professor, due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released; furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth. He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.

Hashirama - Hashirama Senju is reputed as the most powerful shinobi of his era, having been called the strongest shinobi as stated by Madara Uchiha. His strength was so greatly respected by the shinobi world that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he most admired and detested. Kabuto claimed that Hashirama's might was so vast, there aren't any shinobi in the current era that could match his level of power. As the leader of the Senju clan, Hashirama held tremendous proficiency in many shinobi skills and possessed a considerable understanding of those he did not. He held advanced ability in taijutsu with prodigious speed and strength. In addition, he was well-versed in genjutsu and could perform powerful illusions such as the Bringer-of-Darkness Technique. In the anime he showed proficiency with both kenjutsu and fūinjutsu, carrying a scroll which he used to store a number of large swords for the former and in the latter, his use of the Contract Seal to break Madara's control over Kurama.

Please Vote!!!!
The problem is that Sarutobi is the only hokage that was said to be the "strongest hokage".
Hashirama was said to be a fairy tale and strongest at his time, Minato had the potential to surpass but he died early and was said to be a genius.
But sarutobi was said to be the "Strongest hokage", only him was directly compared to the other hokages and iruka, databook and even kabuto told orochimaru that he is the strongest.
I dont know why but i personally think that hashirama and minato are stronger.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

*Sigh* you don't get it do you? Kishi "stated" many things... like Tobi being Madara...
Kishis never said tobi was madara, Tobi said that he was madara.. and NOBODY really knows who tobi is yet..

But it seems that everyone knows more than the man who wrote the book.. I have yet to hear madara say hashirama was the strongest person in the leaf, he just said he was stronger than the 5 kages he are fighting now.. soo kishi never wrote or admitted than hiruzen wasnt the strongest, he just showed more of hashirama's power.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

I really try to avoid these power level threads, but...no matter how you look at it, Hiruzen DID seal both Hashirama and Tobirama at the same time, and had enough strength left to sever a piece of Orochimaru's soul.

I really hate the whole Madara/Hashirama hype though. 'Tis just as bad as the whole Jinchuriki business.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Kishis never said tobi was madara, Tobi said that he was madara.. and NOBODY really knows who tobi is yet..

But it seems that everyone knows more than the man who wrote the book.. I have yet to hear madara say hashirama was the strongest person in the leaf, he just said he was stronger than the 5 kages he are fighting now.. soo kishi never wrote or admitted than hiruzen wasnt the strongest, he just showed more of hashirama's power.
Ok... then where did Kishi said Hiruzen was strongest hokage? Through the manga right? Same applies to my statement before, tobi stated he was madara.
My point is Kishi contradicts himself a lot.
 

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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Kakashi Fang said:
Hiruzen is below Tsunade IMHO...
WTH you should be banned and never allowed to watch NARUTO anywhere, you're being a Senju fanboy forreal

Tsunade>Hiruzen TF!?
Ok... then where did Kishi said Hiruzen was strongest hokage? Through the manga right? Same applies to my statement before, tobi stated he was madara.
My point is Kishi contradicts himself a lot.
Kishi didn't contradict himself, he just pulled an MNS, putting a plot twist in a story isn't a crime or contradicting. I have yet to see something Kishi has said then later on taken back or replaced with something else. I'm pretty sure Kishi has already planned out who Tobi is as well, the majority of authors finish the stories waaaay ahead of publishing them in drafts. So those who are saying he contradicts himself all the time are being "know-it-all" trolls.
:scorps:
 
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Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Hashirama wins though Hiruzen was a really cool character. Hiruzen > the rest of the hokages except 1st still
 
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