Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[Shirou Emiya]

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I think hiruzen is hyped I mean I havnt seen much from him so id have to see it to believe it

 

[lucian011707]

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Your point being? Regardless of having personality or not if someone uses reaper death seal there isn't much you can do about it. The fact that he had to use the reaper death seal just proves that he couldn't actually beat both the kages together.

You people really dont pay attention to this stuff do you. Watch the fight and you would see that he killed them both with paper explosives and they came back (Edo remember). So then he realized that the only choice was to seal them. The guy is so good that he used two shadow clones to seal their souls into. Would have done the same to Oro but chakra was low. He is the best

 

[Viewtiful]

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Considering Kishimoto has written in every databook that Hiruzen is the most powerful Hokage, it's rather obvious he is and to say otherwise iis incorrect.

/facts nazi

 

[MickNerks]

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You people really dont pay attention to this stuff do you. Watch the fight and you would see that he killed them both with paper explosives and they came back (Edo remember). So then he realized that the only choice was to seal them. The guy is so good that he used two shadow clones to seal their souls into. Would have done the same to Oro but chakra was low. He is the best

You are right.. i forgot about the explosive tags..


:izuna: Thank you for paying attention. :scorps:

 

[Owarij]

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Considering Kishimoto has written in every databook that Hiruzen is the most powerful Hokage, it's rather obvious he is and to say otherwise iis incorrect.

/facts nazi

yesiree

Hiruzen is the strongest of the Hokage mainly because of one thing... ENMA!!

The 3rd Hokage is unbeatable when he's fighting using the ENMA Staff. With it, Hiruzen tossed the Kyuubi outside konoha like a rag dog.

Without it, there's no way Hiruzen can stop Hashirama's Mokuton.

Well yea, well i wont say he has nothing else to deal with moukouton..

But enma plays a major role.. Databooks say that when they fought together they were an undefeatable power house.. Enma and his transformations + his hundreds of years of combat experience

 

[Viewtiful]

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And people, just because Hashirama gained greater prominence and exposition doesn't negate past statements. It isn't hype if it was stated as fact by the big man in charge. Just as Minato wasn't all of a sudden the most powerful Hokage after stomping Tobi and playing with B and A, neither is Hashirama just because we learned his power was thought to be mythical.

 

[BasedBijuu]

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You people really dont pay attention to this stuff do you. Watch the fight and you would see that he killed them both with paper explosives and they came back (Edo remember). So then he realized that the only choice was to seal them. The guy is so good that he used two shadow clones to seal their souls into. Would have done the same to Oro but chakra was low. He is the best

The 1st hokage has regenerative abilities can, create a forest that renders enemies unconscious through breathing and can control tailed beast and you want me to believe that the third hokage is better because he got a nerfed version of him with a paper tag. No your right I don't pay attention to the important stuff.

 

[NOemotions]

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What you said only makes Hashirama looks stronger.
Sarutobi when saw Kurama told everyone to wait for Minato... If he was such a strong old man as you say then he would be useful helping Minato handling Kurama and maybe, just maybe Naruto would have his parents alive...

They saw minato and narutos mother when they were already sealing 9-tails.. if you has any brains you don't intefere things like that lol.. he's not stupid for sure.. it was their destiny to be.. destroyed.

 

[Killer Vision]

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we havnt seen him in his youthful prime. the manga said hiruzen was the best hokage for now.

 

[LordRaikage24]

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I think just cuz hiruzen was the most well rounded shinobi, by being advanced in every aspect doesnt make him the strongest or unbeatable even in his hyped prime. Just how minato was faster than hiruzen, hashirama's brute strength would probably overwhelm hiruzen, on top of that hashirama has the crazy stamina which hiruzen didnt have as much of... I think it would be a good fight between them tho with the first as the victor

 

[Viewtiful]

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The 1st hokage has regenerative abilities can, create a forest that renders enemies unconscious through breathing and can control tailed beast and you want me to believe that the third hokage is better because he got a nerfed version of him with a paper tag. No your right I don't pay attention to the important stuff.

All of the things you spoke of, including his regeneration JUTSU (it was not an ability) cost chakra in order to use. No one is trying to trick you, the author himself has stated multiple times over more than a decade that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage in histroy.

I think just cuz hiruzen was the most well rounded shinobi, by being advanced in every aspect doesnt make him the strongest or unbeatable even in his hyped prime. Just how minato was faster than hiruzen, hashirama's brute strength would probably overwhelm hiruzen, on top of that hashirama has the crazy stamina which hiruzen didnt have as much of... I think it would be a good fight between them tho with the first as the victor

He wasn't called the most well-rounded, but the master of all forms of shinobi combat, which how he earned the nickname "The Professor". And Hashirama was never said to have abnormal strength, much less brute strength. Hiruzen was stated by the author to be stronger than all other Hokage without a doubt in each databook.


I just don't get why people stupidly argue with Kishimoto himself. "You're wrong about your own characters!!11(one)1"

 

[Owarij]

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You're wrong about your own characters!!11(one)1"

LOL

 

[BasedBijuu]

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All of the things you spoke of, including his regeneration JUTSU (it was not an ability) cost chakra in order to use. No one is trying to trick you, the author himself has stated multiple times over more than a decade that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage in histroy.



He wasn't called the most well-rounded, but the master of all forms of shinobi combat, which how he earned the nickname "The Professor". And Hashirama was never said to have abnormal strength, much less brute strength. Hiruzen was stated by the author to be stronger than all other Hokage without a doubt in each databook.


I just don't get why people stupidly argue with Kishimoto himself. "You're wrong about your own characters!!11(one)1"

Have you even been reading the manga or watching the anime. The story if you have you will have seen that it has changed since the first naruto. If you have yet to seen kishimoto switch to focusing on the strength and greatness of madara and the first hokage you are blind. He put madara and the first hokage together to freaking show you that together they are invincible. You people make it seem like he is completely bound by everything that happen in the first series. He is called God of the Shinobi by people who were never able to witness the first hokage or madara.

 

[lyncher]

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What you said only makes Hashirama looks stronger.
Sarutobi when saw Kurama told everyone to wait for Minato... If he was such a strong old man as you say then he would be useful helping Minato handling Kurama and maybe, just maybe Naruto would have his parents alive...

Minato was nearing his prime...Hiruzen was at decades past his, hence him passing the title on to someone younger and more able...

 

[GenKiDama]

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Naruto's mom placed a barrier over the area so he couldnt get in, but when he did have a chance he did push the nine-tails out of the village with his staff.



He was fighting hashirama, tobimara, and orochimaru. and hashirama i think was the second strongest (and he was still in his prime) hiruzen was old fighting young 3 young people in there prime and HE STILL WON.. that shows that he was extremely powerful when he was young.. If he was in him prime he probally curb stomp hashirama seeing how he still beat him as a old guy.

seriously part 1 was a complete fail and plot no jutsu, kishi had a sudden change of mind of how strong the kages were, i mean he sealed hashirama and tobirama without any problems??:shrug:
does that seem right i think not.

 

[Noobastank]

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I smell something, but what is it? Oh I know....a complete lack of logic in this post.

So Hiruzen's stronger because he's the god of shinobi right? Yes that's great logic at its finest :|

Manga scan please? Last time I checked Hiruzen knows about every existing jutsu of the leaf, not EVERY single jutsu in the history of the leaf. That's what the viz scans say.

You completely lost your credibility with me when you brought up the Ninja Storm Generations Video. That's NON CANON meaning it has zero relevance with the manga.



The manga states a lot of things that aren't true. People seem to want to believe that Kishi's a God and he doesn't make mistakes. The fact is he's contradicted himself several times in this manga.

By your logic Itachi's invincible, amaterasu can't be avoided, Minato strength is unparalleled, Minato himself is an unparalleled shinobi, amaterasu is as hot as the sun, Tobi is Madara, Tobi didn't summon the kyuubi to attack the leaf village, and etc. Since Kishi's word is law then none of these can be refuted by your logic.

It seems some people have never heard of contradictions or hyperbole.

you seem to forget prime hiruzen was in hashiramas era and people still called hashirama the strongest shinobi.

dans statement+part 2 hype+the manga page that screwed your own argument= hashirama>>>>hiruzen

He hasn't contradicted or made a mistake. the manga is accurate in terms of the timeline. Hiruzen is best. Kishimoto says that so thats that. Hiruzen was third hokage, Hashirama was first. Hashirama was the strongest and second was madara. AT THAT TIME. During Tobirama's hokage reign, the first was dead, and im sure hiruzen was not in his prime yet. He was the best ninja in konoha at the time of becoming hokage and im sure he was not in his prime until later since he had not yet surpassed the second hokage[At that time.] The evidence is clear. just read the manga carefully. The only reason Hashirama is the only one who can defeat Madara is because he know him very well.Hashirama simply already knows how to handle madara and no one else does.

 

[will305]

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seriously part 1 was a complete fail and plot no jutsu, kishi had a sudden change of mind of how strong the kages were, i mean he sealed hashirama and tobirama without any problems??:shrug:
does that seem right i think not.

it doesn't Hashirama is clearly the "GOD"

 

[10TailedPower]

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theres not really a 100% correct answer until kishi either fully comes out n says it or gives the stats of all the hokages in their prime

 

[Kakashi Fang]

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Hashirama ofcourse!

Hiruzen is below Tsunade IMHO...

 

[NakedNinja]

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order 4th,3rd,1st,2nd