Hiruzen Sarutobi is powerful, PEROID

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If your still here. Speak your mine. xd

If I speak my mind I'll say Kakashi solos and he's not top 10

 

[ANiMUS]

Honestly, i don't see how anyone can call Hiruzen Fodder. Raw power is not the only thing that makes a person strong, and this is the case with him. What he has going for him :

He has great mastery over all forms of shinobi combat, and is said to be able to use all the jutsu of the leaf (excluding Kekkei genkai's ofc, He can not use susanoo xD)

The amount of experience he has. He was made hokage at a young age, and held the position for several decades. Based of this, he is one of the longest ruling hokags in the series.

He was called the professor, for his Great understanding of shinobi combat. He was able to tell what technique a person would use, based of the handseals, and he was able to quickly analyze the Ability used by Obito.

He was trained personally by 2 of the strongest shinobi ever, and he got the Will of Fire from Hashirama. I don't see how anyone who was trained by these legends, can be a ''fodder''.

Im sure i missed something in this wall of text, so anyone feel free to point it out.


Just because Hiruzen doesn't have something as destructive as Shinsuusenju, or the speed of FTG, that doesn't make him weak. As i said before, i don't think that he is Stronger than Hashirama. But he is one the same level as all the Hokage, and shouldn't be taken lightly Peace.

3rd<2nd<1st<Madara. Just saying XD hiruzen is probably above base Minato and Tsunade, but Thats as far as he goes

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Ok. If Kurama claims that there was a man stronger than the Sage, would you believe him. I'm pretty sure as hell that more than half of NB would believe it yet there is no feats. This is bias. I'm showing with manga facts and character's explanations that Hiruzen is powerful, not the strongest but powerful. Strong enough to be praised by both Naruto and Sasuke who are pretty beast Shinobi themselves. What reason is their for both of them to lie.

Your being pretty bias. Yes. Hiruzen is strong, but how stong is he? He has shown nothing that makes him top 10 material and all hes done so far was throw shuriken. As of now, your just ASSUMING hes top 10 material because of featless hype. I judge Hiruzen based on what I see and so far, I've seen nothing good.

 

[startup97]

3rd<2nd<1st<Madara. Just saying XD hiruzen is probably above base Minato and Tsunade, but Thats as far as he goes

Well good. At least you fairly placed him somewhere.

 

[startup97]

Your being pretty bias. Yes. Hiruzen is strong, but how stong is he? He has shown nothing that makes him top 10 material and all hes done so far was throw shuriken. As of now, your just ASSUMING hes top 10 material because of featless hype. I judge Hiruzen based on what I see and so far, I've seen nothing good.

I've seen no feats from the Sage yet I believe that.

 

[ANiMUS]

He has some feats, but yet hasn't got really big ones. Don't say he has not feats because that is clearly not true . Personaly, i don't like whole ''top 10'', because that is just A > B > C logic at its finest .

Yes, there are a lot of things to consider if you are going to rank others, but hiruzen simply hasn't shown FEATS worthy of being called the strongest Hokage.

 

[Mattek2008]

3rd<2nd<1st<Madara. Just saying XD hiruzen is probably above base Minato and Tsunade, but Thats as far as he goes

That is A > B > C logic mate, it doesn't work. I am not saying that Hiruzen is stronger THAN any of the other Hokage, nor Madara, Because honestly, without Kishimoto writing it into the story, there is NO way of knowing (excluding stuff like fodder 3203420 vs Juubi). The info provided by the manga about who is the strongest hokage contradict itself ontop of that.


Again, i am not trying to proove that Hiruzen is stronger than anyone, i just think people shouldn't call him the weakest kage ever, or a fodder.

It's just my opinion tho.

 

[DeathandHealing]

Hype = Hes top 10.

Feats = hes fodder

Currently = hes fodder

end of story.

Current Hashirama feats?

By your retarded Logic kakashi is also a fodder, Hashirama AND Tobirama. Since NONE of them have done a single thing of "Feat" value since they came back from the dead. Add Oro to that list as well with Itachi because ALL Itachi has done is sealed people. THAT'S IT. The Third Hokage on the otherhand Sealed 2 of the strongest kages, oros hands All at the same time WITHOUT Intel.

Itachi had to get Intel from naruto to get past Nagato's attack.

 

[Mattek2008]

Yes, there are a lot of things to consider if you are going to rank others, but hiruzen simply hasn't shown FEATS worthy of being called the strongest Hokage.

Not trying to proove that he was the strongest Hokage, because i don't think he was. The strongest was Hashirama, the others are debateable.

I just want people to appriciate him a bit more, and stop calling him a fodder . Hope this clears it up, Merry Christmas

 

[startup97]

Yes, there are a lot of things to consider if you are going to rank others, but hiruzen simply hasn't shown FEATS worthy of being called the strongest Hokage.

I'm not calling him the strongest Hokage anymore. I just want to prove that he was an excellent Hokage whos skills are considered good enough to protect the village by admission from the first 2 Hokages.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Until the NV displays a viable counter to Hiruzen's shurikens, I'm afraid Hiruzen remains as the undisputed strongest in the manga.

 

[startup97]

Until the NV displays a viable counter to Hiruzen's shurikens, I'm afraid Hiruzen remains as the undisputed strongest in the manga.

True dat. Too much shurikens to dodge. =D

 

[Bimbonium]

Seriously the fact that kishi has decided not to show all feats doesn't make hype nonsense.

Kakashi copying a thousand jutsu, tobirama's strength e.t.c

 

[White Fang Hatake]

Awesome thread I enjoyed every single piece of it

 

[startup97]

Awesome thread I enjoyed every single piece of it

Thank you. Merry Christmas!

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I've seen no feats from the Sage yet I believe that.

Your still being biased.

Sage-Was ten tails jinchurriki.

Juubito-Strongest person we've seen in battle so far and Kurama and Obito himself says hes not as good as the sage.

Hiruzen-Called the "GoS" and strongest Hokage there was(10+yrs ago).

Hashirama-Currently being called "GoS" and the strongest being there was besides the Sage.

Kishi obviously changed his mind and Hiruzen has no feats.

 

[Imperius]

Hiruzen thread, YES YES YES YES!



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[Jaded210]

You're going off he said she said bs. Knowing every jutsu doesn't mean he can use every jutsu. I haven't seen this almighty power you're talking about .

I think kishi did have a change of plot from the beginning.
I feel he made hashi and even madara stronger now because of all the power ups he gave naruto and Sasuke.

Id give him 15th place at best.

 

[startup97]

Your still being biased.

Sage-Was ten tails jinchurriki.

Juubito-Strongest person we've seen in battle so far and Kurama and Obito himself says hes not as good as the sage.

Hiruzen-Called the "GoS" and strongest Hokage there was(10+yrs ago).

Hashirama-Currently being called "GoS" and the strongest being there was besides the Sage.

Kishi obviously changed his mind and Hiruzen has no feats.

Listen Mr Clouds. If your finished, get out. I'm done trying to get through you. You haven't noticed that you were being biased yourself. Goodbye.

 

[Mattek2008]

You're going off he said she said bs. Knowing every jutsu doesn't mean he can use every jutsu. I haven't seen this almighty power you're talking about .

I think kishi did have a change of plot from the beginning.
I feel he made hashi and even madara stronger now because of all the power ups he gave naruto and Sasuke.

Id give him 15th place at best.

I agree with some of this. I also feel that he planned on Saru being the strongest, then he planned on Minato being the strongest, and finally he settled on Hashirama.

Now, what you said about him not being able to use all the jutsu in the leaf, and that we havent seen any of his ''almighty power''.
Here is my take on it. Every hokage has some kind of special attribute to them. Hashirama has his unique Woodstyle, and his INSANE amount of Chakra. Tobirama and Minato both has Great speed, reflexes and great battle intellect. They are both inventors of Really great jutsu( Rasengan for Minato, and Tobirama's shadow clones, FTG , Edo tensei etc). Tsunade has her healing abilites and her trademark super strength. And These are the reasons as to why i belive that Hiruzen CAN use all the jutsu in the leaf (Excluding KKG stuff). He has to have something that makes him special, and while i agree that we haven't seen any proof...There has to be something.

Edit: The thing that made him special is that he was the professor, a master of all forms of shinobi combat.
His strongpoints are that he has the experience, intellect, arsenal of jutsu and analytical abilities, Not just raw power or speed. He is basically the jack of all trades, instead of being a super powerhouse.

Another Edit: I forgot to write that he also has really great Taijutsu. He was able to out maneuver Orochimaru in Tai and Kenjutsu, despite being old.