Hiruzen OR. Tobirama

[startup97]

I say Hiruzen obviously.

Heres my reasons.

Spoiler

Fourth Databook proof!!!
Hidden is mistranslation of Hiden.

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Translation: Hiruzen earned the title of professor for being a researcher. He was trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, as the man that would succeed them. At a young age he showed greater talent than Tobirama. All five nature alterations, Hidden, Genjutsu, all ninjutsu existing in Konoha which explains his reputation as the professor. Hence the essence of Hiruzen is his talent with ninjutsu. Everyone in the village is his family member


He knows all techniques in Konoha. Three databooks cant be wrong

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Viz Scan Orochimaru - "Knew and could perform all existing Konoha Jutsu"
Hiruzen knows all Hidden Leaf Jutsu which equals =

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Hidden Leaf Tech

Neutalizer technique, , Bringer of Darkness, Great Clone Explosion and all 8 Gates at will.
Water Clone Technique
Water Release: Water Colliding Wave (Anime only)
Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Water Release: Water Encampment Wall
Water Release: Water Trumpet
Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing Technique
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique
Earth Release: Multiple Earth-Style Wall (Anime only)
Eight Gates
Evil Sealing Method
Eye Mind Reading
Front Lotus
Lion Combo
Multiple Shadow Clone Technique
One Thousand Years of Death
Shadow Clone Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Water Needle
Shadow of the Dancing Leaf
Silent Killing
Summoning: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique
Wind Release: Great Breakthrough


Hiruzen (sarutobi clan)
Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning
Fire Release: Great Flame Technique
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique


Hiruzen w/ Enma
Beast Human Clone
Dynamic Marking
Fang Passing Fang
Fang Rotating Fang (Manga only) - Capable of crushing stone
Fang Wolf Fang - The power is great enough to dent a Rashōmon gate
Four Legs Technique
Human Beast Combination Transformation: Double-Headed Wolf
Passing Fang

Akimichi clan
Butterfly Bullet Bombing
Calorie Control
Double Human Bullet Tank
Human Bullet Tank
Multi-Size Technique
Partial Multi-Size Technique
Spiked Human Bullet Tank
Super Multi-Size Technique
Super Open Hand Slap

Nara clan
Black Spider Lily
Shadow Gathering Technique
Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique
Shadow Imitation Technique
Shadow Sewing Technique
Shadow–Neck Binding Technique

Yamanaka Clan
Mind Body Disturbance Technique
Mind Body Switch Technique
Mind Clone Switch Technique
Mind Disturbance Dance Performance Technique (Anime only)
Mind Puppet Switch Cursed Seal Technique
Yamanaka Clan Telepathy

Uchiha Clan
Fire Release: Dragon Flame Release Song Technique
Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades




VIZ PROOF.

"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".

the Sandaime was the strongest.

Databook 1, Page 117

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

"Hiruzen in his Prime was able to counter every Leaf Jutsu in Existance including all MS and EMS skills." DB2 Pg 84

Konohamaru paragraph:

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage.

He who even holds the affectionate name of "Professor," being well-versed in every jutsu that exists in the village of Konohagakure

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What about you?

 

[Parrish]

Tobirama in both power and as a character.

 

[-Punk-]

Minato Namikaze.

 

[Vapid]

Tobirama in both character and power.

 

[Nattana]

Tobirama invented things.

Hiruzen used what had been already invented.

Now do the math.

 

[Mypower]

Hiruzen wins mid diff.

 

[LeSauce]

Tobirama in both character and power.

 

[Mypower]

Hiruzen wins mid diff.

I meant *prime Hiruzen >>>

But Tobirama >> Old hiruzen

 

[Nattana]

Tobirama in both character and power.

And swag obviously.

 

[Ornstein the DragonSlayer]

Tobirama as a character

 

[-immortal-]

Tobirama in both character and power

 

[NineSNS]

Tobirama for attitude and invented jutsu

 

[startup97]

Hiruzen at age 70 is a ****ing BEAST, imagine him when he's 30. Loads of chakra and raw talent, he shits on Tobirama.

Believe in the Hype!

 

[Soloist]

Tobirama negs hiruzen

 

[Darksharinnegan]

hiruzen obv

bro is like 80 years old still ****ing up anything in his way

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

You made that translation yourself, Tobirama is stronger and is a much better character

 

[Darksharinnegan]

Tobirama negs hiruzen

except hiruzen beat him w old age in a 1 vs 3 all the having regenerative jutsu

 

[V h o]

Hiruzen obviously.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

They need to make a side story. So we can see if Kishi could follow up this myth. The third Hokage was the most unimpressive hokage out of all of them. At this point I'd pick The second Hokage.

 

[BlacLord™]

I already disproved this.

The scan says that Hiruzen only surpassed Tobirama in nature-based ninjutsu, which would be expected since Tobirama's lifetime of knowledge gathering is left on a plate for him. And the same goes for Hiruzen's reputed knowledge of techniques in Konoha, it's just the basic five. The crap "translator" was just crap or biased. The only specialized ninjutsu technique he has is Shiki Fujin.

OT: Tobirama neg-diff as a character and battle ability.