He can use all the reg jutsu but none of the kekki genkai jutsu
Also he can't use all of the ninjutsu cuz he doesn't know all the elements
Or shadow possession and mind transfer
Toad summonings snake summonings slug summoning
Rasengan chidori/raikari
So what does tht leave us cuz thts what we've all seen
I understand what ur saying tho but logically in the info logs for the jutsu ,all of the leafs jutsu under the wielders (who can perform it) the 3rds name would be under all of them...
For his mastery over all of Konoha's Jutsu, he should have been called The God of Konoha instead. "God of Shinobi" is just too flattering as it makes it look like he's the best shinobi that ever lived.
For his mastery over all of Konoha's Jutsu, he should have been called The God of Konoha instead. "God of Shinobi" is just too flattering as it makes it look like he's the best shinobi that ever lived.
He's the most versatile shinobi to ever live...that we know of, anyway. His mastery of the 3 arts is unrivaled in the series. God can be defined as " a man who has qualities regarded as making him superior to other men". No one else has been able to do what Hiruzen did in regards to mastering those 3 arts. Therefor, he's looked at as a "God" for having "qualities that make him superior to other men".
Im certain majority of Hashirama fans or those who favour him over Hiruzen will have their sword and shield in hand ready to do battle, with me in my current slumber id like to evade any rigorous discussion though im willing to answer questions.
Anyway as the title says Hiruzen knows and can perform all konoha jutsu's. Many including myself in the past have declined this hype by stating that means he knows hidden techniques and Kekkei Genkai however that is wrong, at least when you fully understand and digest that hype.
So does hiruzen know all and can perform all konoha jutsu's? Off course he can. Ill start from the very beginning.
Every village have ancient techniques developed by the village ancestors and these techniques are usually kept a secret, with only a few have access to these techniques. Ill give you two examples. Kakuzu stole the village's prized jutsu; 'Jiongu' [
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I believe we can both call these abilities, techniques of their respective village, ill talk more on this later but back to Hiruzen. The whole reason i mentioned how these two akatsuki member's acquired their powers was firstly to note that there are techniques of their village but also such techniques are guarded with only a few having access to them. Which brings us back to the Mizuki situation because its very similar, as we know he corrupted naruto into stealing the Fuin no Sho which was located in the Hokage's residence. As we know its a scroll that contains many jutsu's which was forbidden by the Shodai Hokage [
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The scroll was located in the hokage's residence which the Hiruzen has access to [
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]. Look again, at that page, naruto had a ton of scrolls to choose from and that was just one section of the room
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Lets go back, 13 years ago when the fox attacked [
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The very first technique that naruto was able to learn note was the kage bunshin [
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So where do these scrolls come from. The answer is simple, from the clan with a thousand skills and we know this because its one of these scrolls that naruto stole. As we all know Konoha was formed by the Senju and Uchiha, but its the Senju who brought up this idea and its them who have shaped konoha into what it is. Anyway as i said before the senju were known as a clan with a thousand skills [
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As the DB says its made up of shinobi's with expertise in ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu.
As we all know, Hashirama and Tobirama were the teachers of Hiruzen, having the leader and vice leader of a clan with such mastery of all 3 forms of ninja art means that you gain access to these abilities which they also left behind and its reflected in Hiruzen's databook scores. None, not the sannins nor akatsuki have max for Nin, tai and gen in the DB.
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What im trying to point out this whole this time is that Hiruzens hype for knowing all konoha jutsu's are jutsu's by the ancestors of konoha, those are konoha jutsu's. Ill give you other examples of possible konoha jutsu's.
Kurenai's genjutsu Magen: Jubaku Satsu [
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GENJUTSU; Magen: Jubaku Satsu (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Woodbound Assassination)
User: Yuuhi Kurenai
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: B
Main text
One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konoha. One is completely robbed of their mobility as they see the mirage of a tree coiling itself around them! Given that the subject remains conscious, this jutsu proves extremely efficient for information-gathering.
Databook 2, p 275
Ill quote the important bit "One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konoha."
Another example, majority of people do not know that there are many forms of shunshin.
Body Flicker Technique (瞬身の術, Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.
The cloud of sand dances in the wind
[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.
*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin)
Databook 1, p 197
This various shunshin's are not exclusive to the villages but again im trying to show you that there are technique that is derived from the village. We see kakashi using the konoha shunshin at the chunnin exam with sasuke [
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Hayate demonstrates the Mikazuki no Mai which again hints to being a konoha jutsu [
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I believe and im certain techniques with konoha or 'leaf style' possible hints to being konoha jutsu which could possible mean that these other like:
Konoha Tsumuji Senpu
Konoha Reppu
Konoha Kaigansho
Konoha Senpu
In fact i believe Gai and Lee's Goken fighting style and the ability to use Hachimon were not developed by Gai, but rather these are techniques developed by the clan with a thousand hands, who had mastery of the 3 forms of ninja art, the senju. Im not saying Hiruzen can now use the Hachimon or Goken even though he commands a 5 for taijutsu,. im saying its very possible that he knows of such techniques and might be able to.
However Hiruzen's mastery of ninjutsu isn't just about the scrolls that was left behind. Hiruzen is also a ninjutsu developer. He created the Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu [
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Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique (手裏剣影分身の術, Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
A Ninjutsu, A-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Sandaime Hokage
Multiplying the shuriken with the power of chakra
A formation of iron blades from which there's no escape!!
From one shuriken a thousand Shadow Clones¹ are brought forth, striking down on the enemy. A technique combining ninja tools with ninjutsu, Compared to normal Shadow Clones, Shadow Clones of material objects are said to be on a far higher level. There is no need for preparations beforehand, like stocking up on shuriken, yet since the Shadow Clones are real and not illusions, all the shadow blades that fly around are equally lethal. As a technique invented by the Third Hokage, its conceptualisation and efficiency can certainly be said to be unique to the "Professor".
Databook 1, p 196
Again ill quote the important part "As a technique invented by the Third Hokage, its conceptualisation and efficiency can certainly be said to be unique to the "Professor"."
Even in the latest DB, his hype for ninja is still echoed [
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So that ive shed light on this hype which is legit and his alias 'Professor', ill shed light on other hypes relating to this topic. Majority have tried to state that his hype 'Shinobi no Kami' or God of shinobi stems from his strength. This is partly true however this hype relates to his mastery of the 3 forms of ninja art and not because he commands power so great that he was given this hype. He is a god of the shinobi in the sense that in each category of the shinobi art his skill is very high. You can say Hiruzen's skill in these art on the level of Kakashi for ninjutsu, Kurenai for genjutsu and Gai for taijutsu. All 3 ninja's are the embodiment of skill in this art in konoha.
This hype shinobi no kami doesn't contradict Hashirama's fairytale hype. Hashirama's hype is to do with his mokuton ability which gave him the powers to control bijuu and and rewrite maps. These two hypes are different. One is for extreme versatility in all 3 forms of ninja art, the other is the power to control bijuu and change landscapes.
Explained well. Some people always have to play their part in dissing, even if there is no reason for it. It was quite obvious in that you we're explaining that all of the rudimentary jutsu's and not kekkai genkai were known to Hiruzen. People can't read all of that because they have very short attention spans. It's those same people who don't like the manga if there is no epic action! lol
Wow people are misconstruing the point of this thread. Never once did he say Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, he is simply proving that he knew all the jutsus in Konoha. Can he perform KGs, probably not, but he knew their abilities, strengths and weaknesses.
a great ninja can change the landscape with his strength. The best ninja, kills him in his sleep without anyone knowing.
Im certain majority of Hashirama fans or those who favour him over Hiruzen will have their sword and shield in hand ready to do battle, with me in my current slumber id like to evade any rigorous discussion though im willing to answer questions.
Anyway as the title says Hiruzen knows and can perform all konoha jutsu's. Many including myself in the past have declined this hype by stating that means he knows hidden techniques and Kekkei Genkai however that is wrong, at least when you fully understand and digest that hype.
So does hiruzen know all and can perform all konoha jutsu's? Off course he can. Ill start from the very beginning.
Every village have ancient techniques developed by the village ancestors and these techniques are usually kept a secret, with only a few have access to these techniques. Ill give you two examples. Kakuzu stole the village's prized jutsu; 'Jiongu' [
You must be registered for see links
]. Another example is Deidora. He stole the village's jutsu which allows the wielder to infuse chakra into objects [
You must be registered for see links
]
I believe we can both call these abilities, techniques of their respective village, ill talk more on this later but back to Hiruzen. The whole reason i mentioned how these two akatsuki member's acquired their powers was firstly to note that there are techniques of their village but also such techniques are guarded with only a few having access to them. Which brings us back to the Mizuki situation because its very similar, as we know he corrupted naruto into stealing the Fuin no Sho which was located in the Hokage's residence. As we know its a scroll that contains many jutsu's which was forbidden by the Shodai Hokage [
You must be registered for see links
], this is where it starts.
The scroll was located in the hokage's residence which the Hiruzen has access to [
You must be registered for see links
]. Look again, at that page, naruto had a ton of scrolls to choose from and that was just one section of the room
You must be registered for see images
Lets go back, 13 years ago when the fox attacked [
You must be registered for see links
]. Look vividly behind Hiruzen and tell me what you see, for a better view there you go, does it not look like a scroll shelf behind him stacked with tons of scrolls.
You must be registered for see images
The very first technique that naruto was able to learn note was the kage bunshin [
You must be registered for see links
]. Now look at how thick the scroll is, naruto had barely opened it when he learnt the seals for the kage bunshin, if the scroll was undone surely the amount of techniques in this scroll alone, i believe its safe to say will be alot.
You must be registered for see images
So where do these scrolls come from. The answer is simple, from the clan with a thousand skills and we know this because its one of these scrolls that naruto stole. As we all know Konoha was formed by the Senju and Uchiha, but its the Senju who brought up this idea and its them who have shaped konoha into what it is. Anyway as i said before the senju were known as a clan with a thousand skills [
You must be registered for see links
]
You must be registered for see images
As the DB says its made up of shinobi's with expertise in ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu.
As we all know, Hashirama and Tobirama were the teachers of Hiruzen, having the leader and vice leader of a clan with such mastery of all 3 forms of ninja art means that you gain access to these abilities which they also left behind and its reflected in Hiruzen's databook scores. None, not the sannins nor akatsuki have max for Nin, tai and gen in the DB.
You must be registered for see images
What im trying to point out this whole this time is that Hiruzens hype for knowing all konoha jutsu's are jutsu's by the ancestors of konoha, those are konoha jutsu's. Ill give you other examples of possible konoha jutsu's.
Kurenai's genjutsu Magen: Jubaku Satsu [
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] This is what the DB has to say about it:
GENJUTSU; Magen: Jubaku Satsu (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Woodbound Assassination)
User: Yuuhi Kurenai
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: B
Main text
One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konoha. One is completely robbed of their mobility as they see the mirage of a tree coiling itself around them! Given that the subject remains conscious, this jutsu proves extremely efficient for information-gathering.
Databook 2, p 275
Ill quote the important bit "One of the genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konoha."
Another example, majority of people do not know that there are many forms of shunshin.
Body Flicker Technique (瞬身の術, Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.
The cloud of sand dances in the wind
[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.
*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin)
Databook 1, p 197
This various shunshin's are not exclusive to the villages but again im trying to show you that there are technique that is derived from the village. We see kakashi using the konoha shunshin at the chunnin exam with sasuke [
You must be registered for see links
]
Hayate demonstrates the Mikazuki no Mai which again hints to being a konoha jutsu [
You must be registered for see links
,
You must be registered for see links
]
I believe and im certain techniques with konoha or 'leaf style' possible hints to being konoha jutsu which could possible mean that these other like:
Konoha Tsumuji Senpu
Konoha Reppu
Konoha Kaigansho
Konoha Senpu
In fact i believe Gai and Lee's Goken fighting style and the ability to use Hachimon were not developed by Gai, but rather these are techniques developed by the clan with a thousand hands, who had mastery of the 3 forms of ninja art, the senju. Im not saying Hiruzen can now use the Hachimon or Goken even though he commands a 5 for taijutsu,. im saying its very possible that he knows of such techniques and might be able to.
However Hiruzen's mastery of ninjutsu isn't just about the scrolls that was left behind. Hiruzen is also a ninjutsu developer. He created the Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu [
You must be registered for see links
] As the DB says:
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique (手裏剣影分身の術, Shuriken Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
A Ninjutsu, A-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Sandaime Hokage
Multiplying the shuriken with the power of chakra
A formation of iron blades from which there's no escape!!
From one shuriken a thousand Shadow Clones¹ are brought forth, striking down on the enemy. A technique combining ninja tools with ninjutsu, Compared to normal Shadow Clones, Shadow Clones of material objects are said to be on a far higher level. There is no need for preparations beforehand, like stocking up on shuriken, yet since the Shadow Clones are real and not illusions, all the shadow blades that fly around are equally lethal. As a technique invented by the Third Hokage, its conceptualisation and efficiency can certainly be said to be unique to the "Professor".
Databook 1, p 196
Again ill quote the important part "As a technique invented by the Third Hokage, its conceptualisation and efficiency can certainly be said to be unique to the "Professor"."
Even in the latest DB, his hype for ninja is still echoed [
You must be registered for see links
]
So that ive shed light on this hype which is legit and his alias 'Professor', ill shed light on other hypes relating to this topic. Majority have tried to state that his hype 'Shinobi no Kami' or God of shinobi stems from his strength. This is partly true however this hype relates to his mastery of the 3 forms of ninja art and not because he commands power so great that he was given this hype. He is a god of the shinobi in the sense that in each category of the shinobi art his skill is very high. You can say Hiruzen's skill in these art on the level of Kakashi for ninjutsu, Kurenai for genjutsu and Gai for taijutsu. All 3 ninja's are the embodiment of skill in this art in konoha.
This hype shinobi no kami doesn't contradict Hashirama's fairytale hype. Hashirama's hype is to do with his mokuton ability which gave him the powers to control bijuu and and rewrite maps. These two hypes are different. One is for extreme versatility in all 3 forms of ninja art, the other is the power to control bijuu and change landscapes.
