Hiruzen is way too underrated

[Penguin]

No feats? Laughable.

Orochimaru, easily a Kage level shinobi, had to purposely ambush Hiruzen, set up a home court advantage with the Sound Four barrier, and use two Jounin-level Edos before he could even feel confident about fighting a weak, old Hiruzen that was long gone from his prime.

And the old man still kicked his ass.

No one is disputing that Ausar. We are trying to judge the Edos strength. They were jounin level, but I say somewhere around 10% of their total power.

I disagree because Kabuto said that Oro perfected the Edo Tensei (before Orochimaru got the 4 Hokage back) which would mean Kabuto meant it the first time Oro used it, which is in part 1. They did stink, but as I said last post, Kishi messed up.

Oh, I thought you meant the Edos in part 1 = Edos in part 2.

 

[Trollasaur]

No one is disputing that Ausar. We are trying to judge the Edos strength. They were jounin level, but I say somewhere around 10% of their total power.



Oh, I thought you meant the Edos in part 1 = Edos in part 2.

Jounin level? Please Low kage at least. imo

 

[Chuggs]

Tobirama/Minato rapes Itachi and Hiruzen should be little weaker than them and it's still enough to destroy Itachi.

Itachi died from aids after all.

Tobirama rapes Itachi.
Itachi rapes Minato.
That's how he got aids, from raping fаgs like Minato in the ass.

As for Hiruzen, Iruka solos.

 

[Penguin]

Jounin level? Please Low kage at least. imo

Are you serious?

 

[Trollasaur]

Are you serious?

Yup the current Hashirama is beyond kage level imo.
Keep irate on Hiruzen
Making the old man look bad.

 

[SeriousDogg]

2 months ago everyone said that even Kisame>Tobirama because Tobirama got no feats, but I always said that he is top 10, because he was freaking Hokage, the same with Hiruzen that at age 75 was able to handle Oro + Tob + Hashi, and he perfected it at part one...

u just hate Hiruzen...

 

[Penguin]

Yup the current Hashirama is beyond kage level imo.
Keep irate on Hiruzen
Making the old man look bad.

The current Hashi is Demi God level.
Tobirama is High Kage along with Minato.

The Edo Shodaime and Nidaime are Jounin in part 1.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Oh, I thought you meant the Edos in part 1 = Edos in part 2.

No, though they should be similar in power.

 

[Penguin]

No, though they should be similar in power.

They should, but they are not.

 

[Souji]

No one is disputing that Ausar. We are trying to judge the Edos strength. They were jounin level, but I say somewhere around 10% of their total power.



Oh, I thought you meant the Edos in part 1 = Edos in part 2.

I think they were around 20% in my opinion. Oro perfected the technique in part 1, he just didn't have full knowledge of their full capability. Plus, the fact he was controlling them lowers their combat ability.

 

[SeriousDogg]

The current Hashi is Demi God level.
Tobirama is High Kage along with Minato.

The Edo Shodaime and Nidaime are Jounin in part 1.

Minato,Tobirama,Kabuto,Nagato at the third tier, second tier is Madara and Hashirama, first tier is Obito.

prime Hiruzen is probably the weakest in the third tier.

 

[Trollasaur]

The current Hashi is Demi God level.
Tobirama is High Kage along with Minato.

The Edo Shodaime and Nidaime are Jounin in part 1.

lol kay kay doode3. I simply disagree, I say they showed feats of being low kage level.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kishi set this up for plot. Hashirama Sage Mode to Naruto Sage Mode, at this point? Obito would have been killed by Hashirama. Stupid plot. Anyway, he did his part being nickname the Professor in analyzing Obito's abilities. What else epicness Ninjutsu would have Hurizen performed to injure Obito that Tobimaru or Minato have not pulled off? Nothing. His attack would still mean nothing and scratched off like a fly.



Kishi creativeness has went to the toilet along with his Manga. It is about to be flush by the industry because he is not bring in enough income.

What I mean to say is Hurizen is not showing any great Ninjutsu feat which tops Modes and Kekkei Genkai.

You're missing the point: All the Hokage are doing something except Hiruzen. That's undeniable.

 

[SeriousDogg]

lol kay kay doode3. I simply disagree, I say they showed feats of being low kage level.

Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei in part one, Kishi didn't really created all of there jutsus, he just wanted to show us that Hashi got Mokuton and Tobirama suiton.

Hiruzen was able to fight vs Oro+Tobi+Hashi and almost won at age 75 thats enough for me.

he just hates hate Hiruzen and wank to Tobirama hard.

 

[adeshina365]

He has very little substantial feats.

50%? Link?

 

[Trollasaur]

Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei in part one, Kishi didn't really created all of there jutsus, he just wanted to show us that Hashi got Mokuton and Tobirama suiton.

Hiruzen was able to fight vs Oro+Tobi+Hashi and almost won at age 75 thats enough for me.

he just hates hate Hiruzen and wank to Tobirama hard.

They showed of there mian signaure techs imo they were at 50% of there full power, they were really only missing a few ninjutsu.

 

[SeriousDogg]

They showed of there mian signaure techs imo they were at 50% of there full power, they were really only missing a few ninjutsu.

Thats what I say too, Kishi made this battle like 10 years ago, he just wanted to show the first and the second.

Hiruzen is at the tier of Tobirama and Minato but probably weaker than them, but stronger than Sasuke/Itachi/Kakashi for sure.

 

[HadouKage]

Minato,Tobirama,Kabuto,Nagato at the third tier, second tier is Madara and Hashirama, first tier is Obito.

prime Hiruzen is probably the weakest in the third tier.

Key word, probably. You can't go putting characters in tier list that showcase 0 feats

You're missing the point: All the Hokage are doing something except Hiruzen. That's undeniable.

^This

Your words are poetry, quite the sig you deserve

 

[Multiply]

Everyone saying Hiruzen is this strong, yet he literally has 2 feats. When the wankers saw him as an Edo, they werel ike, ye watch these OP jutsu. Yet, a shuriken jutsu. Hiruzen has no feats, so stop putting him on par with the likes of Tobirama/Minato/Kakashi/Itachi. He's not due to Feats. He literally has like 2 feats.

 

[Vegeto30294]

"Orochimaru said Hiruzen would have defeated him if he was 10 years younger"

How about 15 years younger?

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Where Hiruzen needed a whole squad just to subdue the Nine Tails until Minato arrives.