The case is that kishi messed up the story in the beginning with making hiruzen beat hashi and tobirama. Kishi should have that thought through better. In the beginning the manga said obviously that hiruzen is the strongest even past his prime (oro-fight). But now we know that hashi and minato were stronger. the point is that in Naruto you can't rely on what was said previously and what potential a little jutsu like magnetic force, sand control, chakra strings, kagebunshin, doton jutsus and many more may have. It is sad but true that the logic doesn't fit permanently but Naruto is still the best story and book and manga and everything i've ever read and ever will
Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far
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Actually it's a true fact it was said hiruzen Had very strong jutsus and was great when combining his elements like fire & earth also it was said that hiruzen during his prime had plenty of chakra and was able to use it effectively it's actually true fact if you look it up it says that hiruzen was the greatest when it came to the previous kages and last it was showned him defeating tobirama and hashirama at old age and almost taken out orochimaru I'm not a fan of hiruzen I'm just going by facts that in his youth he was great!
Sageofthesixpaths1
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The 4th is the strongest hokage. Undoubtedly. Is love to see hiruzen fight the nine tails and still have enough chakra to seal it away. And as far as hiruzen being the god of shinobi, we all know that the SO6P would pwn hiruzen
Everything you have for Hiruzen is hype:flaw:. The only thing you have there that isn't is a fail feat, he beat two edo's that didn't have full control over their abilities. :sy:
Also Hashi was the strongest kage of his era, you've left that out. That's why Kakuzu was sent to assassinate him. He defeated Madara and Kyuubi, although ABC logic doesn't apply in Naruto, Hiruzen can't even hold his own in a fight with Kurama:sy:. What does Hiruzen have against his Flower tree world. He has no defense to it, does he? Here's more Hiruzen fanboy logic. He can just summon enma, and enma can turn into an airplane and fly away.
Damn I'm not a fan of hiruzen but why are people putting him out like he is weak!everybody has seen one episode at old age where he fights hashi&tobirama and didn't like his skills lol actually he was smart enough to stop attacking an wasting his chakra on two edos that can regenerate he knew that he's lived a long life so he sacrificed himself using the fourths technique to seal them up but there is not alot that we have seen of him it's like saying that orochimaru acquired I'm guessing 1000 jutsus yeah alot but have we seen them No we havent same with hashi,tobirama,minato but pretty much everyone is assuming shit on the characters that are showned the most like madara,itachi,sasuke but forreal get off there dicks people
Omnislash X SageMode
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It should be said that hiruzen is not the strongest, nor is he the god of shinobi, he was just one of the best kage of all time...i dont think this should even be debated anymore.
l3m0npl3dg3
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Hiruzen Sarutobi (猿飛ヒルゼン, Sarutobi Hiruzen) revered as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami), was the Third Hokage (三代目火影, Sandaime Hokage; Literally meaning "Third Fire Shadow") Narutopedia xd
Well I've read quite allot about that interview on different sites everyone seems to agree that that one was fake, but i have not quite seen any evidence about it. And yeah Minato is strong xd
What most people think is that this was made by a Minato fan 4 years ago, and everyone i read said that it was false since Minato clearly isn't the strongest one, he was the weakest one
so after we seen allot more of him he seems very strong. so i just don't know, Because i can't find any evidence that it is true to... Also we always go by hype in this sorta thing right now, Hiruzen was called the "God of Shinobi" while Hashirama was the strongest of his era, an era of war, Also his power was believed to be a fairy tale. We haven't seen much from both and nothing from the second, a little more from the fourth. All we can say is that Tsunade is the weakest power wise but the strongest support. :shrug:
While many seems to believe that Hashi was/is the strongest, being able to defeat EMS Madara and getting all that hype. Hiruzen has been called the strongest Hokage by Iruka, Kabuto, I believe Oro
, and was the strongest one from the third kages era. Alas all i can say is" Kishi please just settle for one thing" and continue being
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6pathofpain
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:sy: im only gonna say this one more time cause you obviously didnt see my post after the one you quoted.
The 1st an 2nd were mindless drones, the mind is half if not more the battle in the naruto world. The 1st an the 2nd trained the 3rd do you honestly dont think they could counter the the 3rds attacks? They probably help help him with like all off em. He fought 2 mindless dummies that didnt know how an when to use there own attacks which is why the 3rd won. Not to mention he had to kill himself to do so cause he would of died in the bring of darkness jutsu if they werent playing with him as stated by oro. In conclusion he fought them at like 30 to 40% there actual power because they had no mind or thoughts on the battle an if you cant see that please dont bother repling cause i have nothin more to say to you.
KingHashirama
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only Iruka called him the Strongest hokage.. Well he didn't call him that.. he stated it had been said.Hiruzen Sarutobi (猿飛ヒルゼン, Sarutobi Hiruzen) revered as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami), was the Third Hokage (三代目火影, Sandaime Hokage; Literally meaning "Third Fire Shadow") Narutopedia xd
Well I've read quite allot about that interview on different sites everyone seems to agree that that one was fake, but i have not quite seen any evidence about it. And yeah Minato is strong xd
What most people think is that this was made by a Minato fan 4 years ago, and everyone i read said that it was false since Minato clearly isn't the strongest one, he was the weakest one
Also we always go by hype in this sorta thing right now, Hiruzen was called the "God of Shinobi" while Hashirama was the strongest of his era, an era of war, Also his power was believed to be a fairy tale. We haven't seen much from both and nothing from the second, a little more from the fourth. All we can say is that Tsunade is the weakest power wise but the strongest support. :shrug:
While many seems to believe that Hashi was/is the strongest, being able to defeat EMS Madara and getting all that hype. Hiruzen has been called the strongest Hokage by Iruka, Kabuto, I believe Oro
Alas all i can say is" Kishi please just settle for one thing" and continue being
Thx 4 me-
But Madara knows everyone up to Nagato's time period.. Yet he only thinks Hashirama can only stop him
kishi didn't change his mind! UGH just because MADARA said it doesn't mean his word > the entire leaf village's word (past and present). DEAL WITH IT! hashi was the strongest of his time!
hiruzen was arguably the strongest kage! all 3rd kages were incredibly strong. but anyway, i'm not gonna get into that
HIRUZEN WAS THE STRONGEST HOKAGE! deal with it. kabuto didn't even say hashi was the strongest. he said there's not a shinobi alive that can deal with edo madara.
if you take Madara's word over the entire leaf village's + databooks' word, then you're just ignorant! it may be hard to believe, but just face it lol. hiruzen doesn't need feats to be able to defeat certain ppl to prove he's strongest. he just is. we might not ever know how, but HE IS! drop it ppl, cuz trying to prove your point by saying "hiruzen can't beat madara/madara said/etc etc" only makes you look ignorant
hiruzen was arguably the strongest kage! all 3rd kages were incredibly strong. but anyway, i'm not gonna get into that
HIRUZEN WAS THE STRONGEST HOKAGE! deal with it. kabuto didn't even say hashi was the strongest. he said there's not a shinobi alive that can deal with edo madara.
if you take Madara's word over the entire leaf village's + databooks' word, then you're just ignorant! it may be hard to believe, but just face it lol. hiruzen doesn't need feats to be able to defeat certain ppl to prove he's strongest. he just is. we might not ever know how, but HE IS! drop it ppl, cuz trying to prove your point by saying "hiruzen can't beat madara/madara said/etc etc" only makes you look ignorant
probably because hashi was the only one equipped to do the job. hiruzen is stronger than hashi. but he can't beat madara, while hashi can. how is that so hard to fathom? you can't use dbz logic here, so i don't see how you can't understand
Naruto king of Shinobi
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KingHashirama
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Sorry buddy. Hashirama can change the battle field to his advantage.. Has regeneration..
And im not using Dbz logic.. im using common fighting style logic.. MADARA SAYS IF ITS JUST HIM THE FIELD WILL TAKE LESS DAMAGA.. Also, Onoki is doing better then what Sarutobi did against Oro.....
And also Sarutobi knew ALLL of Konoha's jutsu.. lol. Hashirama can seal madara... which makes hashirama stronger.. Unless you have a example to cancel my claim
Also idk if you count the Anime canon like i do. But Kabuto does call hashirama "the best ninja".
So you're telling me if i say you can beat Muhammed Ali in a fight, everyone should listen to me rather than you saying you can't? Just stop, this argument is over. Hashi > Hiruzen, it's over please just stop U_U
