Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

[FizzyDrink]

however you said "read my comments, maybe you'll see the light" implying that you think my opinion is definitely wrong. i have read your post, and i still believe hiruzen is stronger. Just wondering, have you proved anyone wrong yet??...anywho
hashi has less feats than hiruzen....they have around the same hype. but i've seen hiruzen in action, and it was impressive. i haven't seen hashi in action. only hashi's techniques. which may have possibly been enhanced due to the large chakra boost madara got.

but anywho, i still think Hiruzen is the strongest, until we get more background info on Hashi. i refuse to take Madara's word over an entire village + more just because...

I misread your original comment, forgive me for that. I thought that you were backing up your claim with hype, which is what I'm trying to stop people doing. As long as you can admit that we can't say for sure who is actually stronger, and that up till now it's all opinion, then your good in my books.

Feats huh
Well Hashirama had was capable of all those feats all this time, and yet he lost to someone who was considered stronger than him already

Sorry but it doesnt become any clearer than that

I have told you this already...the fight with Orochimaru is the most pathetic excuse used by Hiruzen supporters of all. To begin with, the power levels are WAYYYY off. So much. Also, Orochimaru, who clearly did not know the full extent of Hashi's power, was in COMPLETE control of Hashi. And finally, they BEAT Hiruzen. They BEAT HIM. Once Hiruzen was in Bringer of Darkness, they could have killed him easily. At that point Oro had won, and could have and should have ended it. So no, Hiruzen did not win. On the contrary, he was toyed with, and the fact that Oro made the mistake of not killing him then had nothing to do with Hiruzen's prowess as a ninja.

And finally, yes, feats. Based off of what I have seen from Hiruzen, and what we have seen of Hashirama's power, I believe that Hashirama is more powerful. BUT, if we were to see the full power of each of them, and it turns out that Hiruzen would win, then I would change my mind. What I'm trying to get across is that Hiruzen is not 100% stronger than Hashirama. It can't be proven until we see exactly how powerful each of them are. The same goes for Hashirama. We also can't prove that he is 100% stronger than Hiruzen.

 

[KingHashirama]

No he did not, show me a manga page. And It has to say "you are.." not it was said.

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He was hailed as the God of shinobi.. in his prime.. So.. he was the God of shinobi..

Its the same in Hashiramas case "people called him the strongest shinobi".

"was" , "called"

 

[DeViliShChild]

Barrack Obama was called the 44th President of the United States of America. However it seems people still find ways to debate this just like the Hiruzen debate

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

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He was hailed as the God of shinobi.. in his prime.. So.. he was the God of shinobi..

Its the same in Hashiramas case "people called him the strongest shinobi".

"was" , "called"

Exactly so it cannot be used. where as madara has said hashi IS and hashi CAN DO and hashi IS THE ONLY ONE and Hashi LANDSCAPE CHANGING ABILITIES you see how that is different from was called we can just look at madara and tell him and hashi where on a different league to other shinobi.

Barrack Obama was called the 44th President of the United States of America. However it seems people still find ways to debate this just like the Hiruzen debate

Barrack obama was not called 44th president he is the 44th president :sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy:

 

[heymrkevq]

What a f****** dumass..did u just start watching naruto???? Are u still on the first season of part 1??? U prolly just watched hiruzen fought 2 very weak edo tensei 1st and 2nd hokage and now u think hiruzen the sh*t!!! I don't think they should allow ppl under the age of 12 to post threads...u failed as a fan kid!!! Lack of proper research!! No wait..lack of common research!!!

 

[Dubbuoo]

No known Hokages or Kages can beat Hiruzen
And the Kages at his era are not stronger than him either

Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had. Even in his old age, he also said to be the strongest of all the five Kage at the time of his death.[8][9] Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released;[10] furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.[11] He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.[

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See that?
Are you denying Kishis words, if Kishi wanted to change his mind and make Hashirama stronger, why not change the data book?
He didnt though cause Hiruzen is still the strongest.
People say that Hashirama learnt new moves in part 2, but that wasnt part 2 new moves. Those were old moves that Hashirama been had just now comming to light
Hashirama and Tobirama been died before part 1, So Hiruzen being stronger than them still holds true



And as you can see in there it says strongest Hokage and strongest of the current Kage in his old age.

So that means stronger than the 3rd Raikage, 3rd Kazekage, 3rd Tsuchikage, and 3rd Mizukage
And this isnt even prime Hiruzen

And we all know how every village commented on how the 3rd in every village is the strongest Kage.(But the 3rd MIzukage is unknown)

But i realize haters gonna hate and just be mad:shrug:

he's been SAID to be the strongest but we haven't seen facts or action to back this up...
don't even think versing the 1st, 2nd and orochimaru was a feat. orochimaru's edo tensei was shit in comparison to kabuto's and the 1st and 2nd weren't going all out it was just taijutsu most of the fight.

things were seening from hashirama is questioning the statement strongest hokage, hiruzen

 

[DeViliShChild]

Exactly so it cannot be used. where as madara has said hashi IS and hashi CAN DO and hashi IS THE ONLY ONE and Hashi LANDSCAPE CHANGING ABILITIES you see how that is different from was called we can just look at madara and tell him and hashi where on a different league to other shinobi.



Barrack obama was not called 44th president he is the 44th president :sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy:

Yes he was called that and why would people call him that if he wasn't it?

 

[Prime Rib]

heck yeah. hiruzen already beat tobirama and hashirama solo in his old ageimagine him younger

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Yes he was called that and why would people call him that if he wasn't it?

He is not called he is there is a big difference.

 

[DeViliShChild]

He is not called he is there is a big difference.

Once again, why would people call hiruzen something he is not.

Ex. Hiruzen was called the demon hidden in the mist = hes the demon hidden in the mist.

 

[Netsui]

I still don't think it matters which one of them is stronger. If Naruto becomes Hokage then the debate wouldn't matter anymore, right? This debate is just like, "Who is the strongest Hokage?" If Naruto becomes Hokage the debate is practically over.

Not to mention, both of them are sealed. Usually when Kishi seals a character, then they're gone forever. Should it really matter since even though we hear of them in the manga, that we probably won't actually see them (not counting flashbacks)?

 

[spideysenses]

Yes Hiruzen is strong but i doubt he can beat Hashi on a full out 1v1. Even Edo Madara still admire Hashi and stole his cells. Hashi can also heal without weaving signs etc. Edo Madara even stated to all the 5 kages that without Hashi they had no chance. Hiruzen did fought Hashi and his brother but they weren't even at near full potential.

 

[Tartarus]

Once again, why would people call hiruzen something he is not.

Ex. Hiruzen was called the demon hidden in the mist = hes the demon hidden in the mist.

Konan called Pain unbeatable. I guess by your logic if my friend called me a millionaire I am.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Once again, why would people call hiruzen something he is not.

Ex. Hiruzen was called the demon hidden in the mist = hes the demon hidden in the mist.

Ok answer this, he was called god of shinobi that means he is at the sage level does that seem right to you that means he is stronger the edo madara because the sage is stronger then edo madara. You will not reply to this.

 

[DeViliShChild]

Ok answer this, he was called god of shinobi that means he is at the sage level does that seem right to you that means he is stronger the edo madara because the sage is stronger then edo madara. You will not reply to this.

Lol i won't? Well i guess this is me defying all logic.
To answer your question, no it does not mean that. I think edo Madara would beat him.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Exactly so it cannot be used. where as madara has said hashi IS and hashi CAN DO and hashi IS THE ONLY ONE and Hashi LANDSCAPE CHANGING ABILITIES you see how that is different from was called we can just look at madara and tell him and hashi where on a different league to other shinobi.



Barrack obama was not called 44th president he is the 44th president :sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy::sy:

Hiruzen is God of shinobi:shrug:

 

[roflcopter11]

Who knows? There's NO solid evidence that makes either kage stronger than each other. In my opinion, Hiruzen is stronger since he's considered the god of shinobi and shit. He even did well as an old man. I mean holding your ground as a 76 year old geezer against a sannin and two former kage is pretty damn good.

Not a Hiruzen fanboy, just stating the facts. Hiruzen is probably stronger than Hashi.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I agree with you but the hashirama fanboys would disagree. Hiruzens powers have not been shown because they are waaaaay too powerful for an anime or a manga page lol

 

[yuan of cruxis]

What a f****** dumass..did u just start watching naruto???? Are u still on the first season of part 1??? U prolly just watched hiruzen fought 2 very weak edo tensei 1st and 2nd hokage and now u think hiruzen the sh*t!!! I don't think they should allow ppl under the age of 12 to post threads...u failed as a fan kid!!! Lack of proper research!! No wait..lack of common research!!!

Childish kids shouldnt post here, so why did you post?U_U

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Lol i won't? Well i guess this is me defying all logic.
To answer your question, no it does not mean that. I think edo Madara would beat him.

Good I said you wont to force you to answer, and well if you don't think so that means you are going against what he was called? so obviously what he was called doesn't mean he is, do you see my point now?

Hiruzen is God of shinobi:shrug:

So he is stronger then edo madara who is only a fragment of the so6p power?