that doesn't change what I said. They are his Edo's, his summons, his shinobi to control. So yes, by your logic Oro would be the strongest character in Naruto. You need to get 1 thing straight too, Hiruzen never beat Hashirama or Tobirama. He used a suicide tech that he didn't even know in his prime to take them down, and by all means he lost to Oro. Hiruzen died and Oro lived. He lost.
Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far
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KingHashirama
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Madara himself says Hashirama is the only capable of stoping him.. (capable does not mean he is stronger then edo madara). but Hashirama posses power close to that of Edo madara's.
Now Sarutobi supporters arguement towards this is " Madara never knew of sarutobi". Well he knows about Nagato,who is like 40 years younger then Sarutobi.. lmao. How the hell would he not know Sarutobi.
Now Sarutobi supporters arguement towards this is " Madara never knew of sarutobi". Well he knows about Nagato,who is like 40 years younger then Sarutobi.. lmao. How the hell would he not know Sarutobi.
LegendaryAce
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OMG i said that ages ago but people said ...he kept away from konoha ...ect ..i think he would have intel on what was going on in the world..he would just hide for the rest of his life i am sure he knew since he came from there
KingHashirama
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People don't pay attention to the whole manga sometimes. Also, there were ninja wars going on and Sarutobi was known as the "god of shinobi" in that time so why would madara not know about that.
i guess i just backed up your statement then , since you already said this
The Hidden Shinobi
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I am not reply to you idiots any more I said show me one scan where someone said hiruzen IS the strongest kage IS god of shinobi or IS anything I don't want is called. Because I have heard IS and CAN DO and ONLY ONE WHO CAN STOP ME and much more from edo madara one of the most OP characters around. If you can't even show me one scan of someone decent on power saying hiruzen IS anything you all are a disgrace and you have no intelligence, well in this matter anyway.
You scream the manga the manga yet I have re read the manga and found out everything you have told me is false.
I will say it again show me one scan so I can shut up, please shut me up.
You scream the manga the manga yet I have re read the manga and found out everything you have told me is false.
I will say it again show me one scan so I can shut up, please shut me up.
KingHashirama
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Orochimaru called him the Proffesor?
and the God of shinobi lol. Just tought you should know
The Hidden Shinobi
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No he did not, show me a manga page. And It has to say "you are.." not it was said.Orochimaru called him the Proffesor?
Just tought you should know
This is still going? Can't we just let it go, like I asked earlier?
People who think Hashirama > Hiruzen, you claim that only the characters said they were known as that and such, which is true. But did Kishi himself ever state Hashirama was the strongest? No. Have we seen everything from Hashirama? No. Did we see Prime Hiruzen? No. Did Madara know of Hiruzen? Probably not.
We're comparing characters that we don't know much about, and everyone is just using the same tactics. Kishi never stated that Hashirama was the strongest, but we assume he is because of Madara. If you're not going to use Hiruzen's hype, then why are you using Hashirama's hype? Madara is hyping Hashirama, as were the ninja that called Hiruzen God of Shinobi. If you're going to tell them for a manga scan of where Kishi said he was the strongest, then shouldn't we ask you for a page of where it said Hashirama was the strongest? Or should we ask you not to use what Madara and Kabuto said about Hashirama, since you won't listen to what they called Hiruzen?
Remember A>B>C logic? Doesn't always work. If it goes Hiruzen>Hashirama>Madara it doesn't mean Hiruzen>Madara. There are things called bad match ups, and disadvantages.
I'm not on anybodies side in this, I'm just pointing out some things. Until Kishi states which one is the strongest, how about everyone just stops arguing about it, and let it go? Kind of like with Tobi. Wait until Kishi reveals Tobi. And if he doesn't state who was the strongest Hokage, how about we just keep our opinions? Not like it would matter, because if Naruto becomes Hokage then it wouldn't matter which of the two were stronger, right?
People who think Hashirama > Hiruzen, you claim that only the characters said they were known as that and such, which is true. But did Kishi himself ever state Hashirama was the strongest? No. Have we seen everything from Hashirama? No. Did we see Prime Hiruzen? No. Did Madara know of Hiruzen? Probably not.
We're comparing characters that we don't know much about, and everyone is just using the same tactics. Kishi never stated that Hashirama was the strongest, but we assume he is because of Madara. If you're not going to use Hiruzen's hype, then why are you using Hashirama's hype? Madara is hyping Hashirama, as were the ninja that called Hiruzen God of Shinobi. If you're going to tell them for a manga scan of where Kishi said he was the strongest, then shouldn't we ask you for a page of where it said Hashirama was the strongest? Or should we ask you not to use what Madara and Kabuto said about Hashirama, since you won't listen to what they called Hiruzen?
Remember A>B>C logic? Doesn't always work. If it goes Hiruzen>Hashirama>Madara it doesn't mean Hiruzen>Madara. There are things called bad match ups, and disadvantages.
I'm not on anybodies side in this, I'm just pointing out some things. Until Kishi states which one is the strongest, how about everyone just stops arguing about it, and let it go? Kind of like with Tobi. Wait until Kishi reveals Tobi. And if he doesn't state who was the strongest Hokage, how about we just keep our opinions? Not like it would matter, because if Naruto becomes Hokage then it wouldn't matter which of the two were stronger, right?
The Hidden Shinobi
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Ok hiruzen fans say because he was called god of shinobi he is stronger then hashi. So that means hiruzen>every other ninja apart from sage of six paths??? it is obviously a false title and from what we have seen only weak fodders have said that.
Compare hiruzen to oonki yes. Compare him to hashi and madara??? are we reading the same manga??
Hiruzen fans can think hiruzen>hashi,rinnegan madara, tobirama, 3rd raikage,muu,oonki and all other shinobi if they want but sorryyyyyyy I have a brain and can read and understand a manga.
I know you understand the manga. I understand it too, which is why I'm not on anybodies side whenever it comes to Hiruzen and Hashirama. It wasn't stated by Kishi who was stronger, so should we really argue about it? Both of them are characters we don't know much about. Sure we saw both of them fight, but we didn't see Hashirama fight as himself, and we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen. No ninja is comparable to the SO6P.
I just think that we shouldn't argue about this until Kishi clearly states who is stronger, because it always ends up as a flame thread, and eventually gets closed.
And that's not the only reason why they think that.
narutownsyouall
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He is stronger than Hashirama. Or do you not believe your own eyes when you saw Oro vs. Hiruzen?
And No! Naruto is about match ups. Hashirama is the best person to deal with Madara due to his Mokuton and ability to control tailed beasts.
Those weak fodders who said it were written by Kishi, They are fictional characters who are written into existence and made to serve Kishi's purpose and Iruka's purpose was to state kishi's mind on who was the strongest Hokage.
He would beat Oonoki, And he would beat Hashirama, Madara would be a terrible match up but an argument could be made that he could win. (only EMS) but nobody is comparing him to edo due to the fact that virtually no one could beat him.
Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage which are the strongest Kage, but it does not mean he was the strongest ever.
The Hidden Shinobi
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Are you tell me what we saw from hashi when oro was controlling him in part 1 is anywhere near what he can do:sy::sy::sy: and you are telling me iruka was stating kishi's mind of the **** do you know when tenten said neji is the strongest genin and he can't be beat yet he was beat. You can't just decide from characters what kishi's thinks. The anbu that knew about hashi that was watching the fight said hashi was called the strongest so stfu
Hashirama Senju 48
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JACKASS JACKASS....
Thats all I can say abt you for thinking that Hiru was strongest Kage to exist.
The Hidden Shinobi
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so they really think all this stuff about rinnegan sage body sage eyes is all bs and hiruzen can be above people like madara hashi and nagato.
just because hiruzen > hashi, doesn't mean he can beat madara. but yes, he is the strongest hokage.
don't bother mentioning the power scale.
just because hashi didn't use the flower forest thing against hiruzen shouldn't make a difference. hiruzen could counter it, if need be.
why do ppl get upset when someone says they think hiruzen > hashi? it's just an opinion. but just because hashi beat madara doesn't mean hiruzen isn't as strong or stronger because he may not be able to beat Madara. hashi was just more capable of getting the job done with his fighting style...
anyway, i will continue to believe what kishi implies and what countless others have said over what madara and kabuto say...
don't bother mentioning the power scale.
just because hashi didn't use the flower forest thing against hiruzen shouldn't make a difference. hiruzen could counter it, if need be.
why do ppl get upset when someone says they think hiruzen > hashi? it's just an opinion. but just because hashi beat madara doesn't mean hiruzen isn't as strong or stronger because he may not be able to beat Madara. hashi was just more capable of getting the job done with his fighting style...
anyway, i will continue to believe what kishi implies and what countless others have said over what madara and kabuto say...
The Hidden Shinobi
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I just think it was quite cleat that madara and hashi were in a different league from other shinobi. Madara has said countless things about hashi and also about their landscape changing abilities I thought it was quite cleat that kishi is saying they were the chosen sage son descendants and the only one that will surpass them is naruto and sasuke.
Hiruzen was just praised as the god of Shinobi among the people who actually believed in his strength. Some could eventually say that no one could really believe in Hashirama because his strange was beyond all imaginations and was thus considered nothing but a fairy tale. Hiruzen was hyped much in part 1 and in my opinion this was at some point a fail by Kishimoto who didn't consider to what his Manga would actually turn to. Hashirama is the strongest Hokage in my opinion.
Rikoudou Emmandre
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please, stop saying hiruzen mastered or can do all justus in konoha as at that time. He knows them, that means he knows their names, what they are about and stuffs like that. 1. Those bloodline moves of uchiha, senju or other clans are konoha justus. 2. FTG was famous in konoha, he cant do them