Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

[EliteKakashi]

Why can't everyone just agree that Hashi, Hiruzen and Minato are all on similar, god-like levels?

That's much easier and a much more accurate way of stating things.

 

[Tartarus]

Even then Kishi pretty much clarafied whom was stronger in the fight with Orochimaru,Hashirama and Tobirama vs Hiruzen

ok what that would also imply Oro is literally the most powerful shinobi to live since you claim he had full powered Edos of both Hashirama and Tobirama, and could stomp Madara, yet still say he is weaker than Itachi, and what you are also claiming is that Sarutobi can beat BOTH Hashirama and Tobirama AT THE SAME TIME. If so, that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

 

[SilverSlick]

From what we seen of him he cant which is very littleshrug:

Well I believe almost no one can defeat Tobi(because I'm a fanboy) at the moment. Not taking anything away from Hiruzen, I have massive respect for him.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Same for the thing about Madara
Just cause Kishi didnt say it himself, doesnt mean it shouldnt be considered true
The databook and manga specifically say Hiruzen was strongest Hokage and reconize as such(meaning alot of people)
Hashirama was the strongest of his era
And never was said to be strongest Hokage

Even then Kishi pretty much clarafied whom was stronger in the fight with Orochimaru,Hashirama and Tobirama vs Hiruzen

You are wrong once again! My goodness. Actually, the only way to prove something as true without Kishi saying it is by analyzing feats. Hype is only good to prove that somebody was good enough to earn it in the first place. If you had read my entire long post, you would have realized that. The White Fang was said to be stronger than the Sannin, yet I never see people include him in their top tens or twenties even when I see Oro or Jiraya in them constantly. Obviously, people do not take all hype as definitive.

AND THE MANGA/DATABOOK DO NOT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT HIRUZEN WAS STRONGER!!! People only thought he was. THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS. Look at my American football comparison, as much as you might want to deny it for the sake of your flawed argument, it is right, and comparable.

AND DON'T EVEN TRY TO BRING UP THE FIGHT AGAINST OROCHIMARU. The power levels were entirely different, and even besides that, they technically beat Hiruzen the moment he was under bringer of darkness. At any time while he was under that, he could have been killed. Hence, he was technically defeated at that point. So honestly, the fact that you are using that argument means that you are really clutching at straws now.

 

[Shinozgr8]

Read my comments on this thread, maybe you'll see the light...

sorry, i'd rather stick to my opinions rather than your "light"...nice try though

 

[Stark]

Oh god..

 

[FizzyDrink]

But didnt you your self say Hashirama was better, if you did your being a hypocrite
Cause Kishi didnt say it
Im leaning to what the manga kinda made obvious

Stop assuming things. I do personally think that Hashi is stronger, but I base that belief off of the feats that I have seen. From what I have seen him being capable of (his mokuton, bringer of darkness, control of bijuus) I think that he is stronger. I do not base this belief off of hype. On the positive side, you reverting to this argument means that you agree with my original argument, or at least cannot deny that I'm right. So stop arguing with me and realize that I am right.

 

[FizzyDrink]

sorry, i'd rather stick to my opinions rather than your "light"...nice try though

Haha, my "light" is actually trying to prove that everybody has a right to their opinion on this matter. I am proving those who think that they are 100% right about Hiruzen or Hashi being stronger wrong. If you think that Hashi could still possibly be stronger, then you have a right to your opinion that to you, Hiruzen is stronger. Otherwise, I think you should read my post.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

ok what that would also imply Oro is literally the most powerful shinobi to live since you claim he had full powered Edos of both Hashirama and Tobirama, and could stomp Madara, yet still say he is weaker than Itachi, and what you are also claiming is that Sarutobi can beat BOTH Hashirama and Tobirama AT THE SAME TIME. If so, that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Lol Edos are not Orochimarus power but the power of that shinobi
It was a 3 vs 1 fight not 1 vs 1
Cause they were living shinobi themselves

Get that straight

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Stop assuming things. I do personally think that Hashi is stronger, but I base that belief off of the feats that I have seen. From what I have seen him being capable of (his mokuton, bringer of darkness, control of bijuus) I think that he is stronger. I do not base this belief off of hype. On the positive side, you reverting to this argument means that you agree with my original argument, or at least cannot deny that I'm right. So stop arguing with me and realize that I am right.

Feats huh
Well Hashirama had was capable of all those feats all this time, and yet he lost to someone who was considered stronger than him already

Sorry but it doesnt become any clearer than that

 

[Shinozgr8]

it's amazing how ppl choose to believe what Madara says without even taking into account what everyone else says (including what's been in databooks and such, regardless of part 1/part 2). Hiruzen > Hashi.

what feats has hashi displayed himself? Madara uses hashi's techs, sure. but it's not literally hashi using them. just a super-powered version of Madara with seemingly endless chakra. that being said, he can control the scale of any of his attacks that he wishes. not saying this is the case. i'm just saying...

if i choose to believe Hiruzen is stronger, who's gonna check me boo?

 

[Shinozgr8]

Read my comments on this thread, maybe you'll see the light...

Haha, my "light" is actually trying to prove that everybody has a right to their opinion on this matter. I am proving those who think that they are 100% right about Hiruzen or Hashi being stronger wrong. If you think that Hashi could still possibly be stronger, then you have a right to your opinion that to you, Hiruzen is stronger. Otherwise, I think you should read my post.

however you said "read my comments, maybe you'll see the light" implying that you think my opinion is definitely wrong. i have read your post, and i still believe hiruzen is stronger. Just wondering, have you proved anyone wrong yet??...anywho
hashi has less feats than hiruzen....they have around the same hype. but i've seen hiruzen in action, and it was impressive. i haven't seen hashi in action. only hashi's techniques. which may have possibly been enhanced due to the large chakra boost madara got.

but anywho, i still think Hiruzen is the strongest, until we get more background info on Hashi. i refuse to take Madara's word over an entire village + more just because...

 

[BloodSeed]

Stop posting outdated information you noob. Part 1 Neji > Naruto at some point. So THAT MEANS NEJI > NARUTO NOW? IS THAT YOUR LOGIC? HASHIRAMA WOULD EAT THAT OLD FART AND SHIT HIM OUT. Wow, idiots on here, seriously :sy:​

your name doesnt fits you my avatar would do :rofl:

naruto>neji now coz he become stronger, train controled the fox unlike when he was a kid. you cant compare hashirama and hiruzen like neji and naruto coz hashirama is dead how could a dead person trains to be stronger. the only thing that can make him stronger is when he become edo and hashirama died at his 40's-50's i dont know,,, while hiruzen is not getting any stronger that time coz he's getting older weaker slower' when you edo an old hiruzen thats no good :sy:

 

[SilverSlick]

it's amazing how ppl choose to believe what Madara says without even taking into account what everyone else says (including what's been in databooks and such, regardless of part 1/part 2). Hiruzen > Hashi.

what feats has hashi displayed himself? Madara uses hashi's techs, sure. but it's not literally hashi using them. just a super-powered version of Madara with seemingly endless chakra. that being said, he can control the scale of any of his attacks that he wishes. not saying this is the case. i'm just saying...

if i choose to believe Hiruzen is stronger, who's gonna check me boo?

^Thats what I'm saying. Just because Hashirama's two biggest fanboys, Madara and Kabuto say something should we believe it? We've never seen Hashirama fight anyone outside of Madara, except Hiruzen, who he lost to.

 

[BloodSeed]

^Thats what I'm saying. Just because Hashirama's two biggest fanboys, Madara and Kabuto say something should we believe it? We've never seen Hashirama fight anyone outside of Madara, except Hiruzen, who he lost to.

madara and kabuto are big fanboy of raw power :rofl:

 

[JakeLife510]

I believe a prime hiruzen can give anyone a hard fight, even Madara.

 

[LegendaryAce]

I believe a prime hiruzen can give anyone a hard fight, even Madara.

edo madara?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

They ride the Hashirama hype but disregard Hiruzen's. It makes little to no sense.

I don't give a shit about hashi, I can just use my brain and realise hashi and madara are in a different league from other shinobi and kages. As madara has stated anyway.

But lemme not use my common sense and use hiruzen fan logic hiruzen was called god of shinobi so he is he is above hashi rinnegan madara and is next to the sage of six paths :rofl: _O-

God of shinobi and your hiruzen fans can't realise this is a false title I am even un sure to compare hiruzen to oonki and 3rd raikage but wait god of shinobi I forgot

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Not sure if it was real or not, but someone gave you a link to an interview with Kishi and SJ. That should have been enough if it was real.

And guys, this is just turning into another Hiruzen-Hashirama thread. Hiruzen was strong, and Hashirama was strong. We barely seen Hashirama, and we haven't seen Hiruzen prime. Can't we just let it go? :\

No because kishi does this thing were he makes real rivals around the same level sasuke naruto, hashi madara, kakashi gai. And from this no one is no where nearrrrrrrrrrrr madara but if he says hashi is :shrug: I have to believe him
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Hiruzen > hashi, rinnegan madara,tobirama,kabuto, tobi,oonki,3rd raikage,the list goes on

No hiruzen fan should even argue against me if you dare you contrdict your self because that would me hey ok maybe what he was known as doesn't actually mean he was.

 

[Multiply]

Why is he the strongest, the only evidence there is, is heresay:sy:. That's like someone saying I can lift up the empire state building. Just because others say I can doesn't mean I really can. So right now I'm going to use Hiruzen fanboy logic, Chouji can beat So6p. Tell me i'm wrong, he can just make his hand big and kill him with hammer fist?:rofl::rofl: :sy:

 

[MickNerks]

I believe a prime hiruzen can give anyone a hard fight, even Madara.

i agree, but im biased