[Discussion] Hiruzen is the strongest Kage of his time?

[Meowazziel]

So that would mean that he was considered the strongest, compared to:

*3rd Raikage,
*Onoki, the 3rd Tsuchikage,
*Yagura, the 3rd Mizukage,
*and the Iron sand user, the 3rd Kazekage.

These Kages are quite something. All of them have special powers.
The 3rd Raikage has a special body, Onoki has a kekkei genkai tota called Jinton, Yagura is a jinchuriki and the Kazekage can use Iron sand with the magnet release kekkei genkai.

The 3rd Hokage Hiruzen, has no special ability. That means all his power comes from training and talent.
I am curious to see what kind of jutsus he will show in the war.
We have already seen, that he has great intellect, figuring out Juubito's jutsu within a few seconds, by observing how it handles a jutsu like kage shuriken.

Being the strongest kage of his time=being able to take all the other 3rd kages 1 on 1?

How would he handle the 3rd raikage with his speed?
Or a flying Onoki with Jinton?

I can imagine him taking on the 3rd Kazekage with Iron sand and the same goes for Yagura, seeing how Hiruzen tried to stop Kurama during Obito's time, when he attacked the village.

I still wonder if Hiruzen can use jutsus like Kage mane no jutsu, shintenshin no jutsu and other hidden jutsu like that.
He knew all jutsu that existed in the village but obviously he cant use every single one, seeing how Sharingan, and Byakugan require the eye for example and Aburama jutsus require bugs. So how many jutsu did he knew as in, he could use them and how many jutsu did he knew as in, only had knowledge from.

What do you think?

Edit: Correction about the 3rd Mizukage. Yagura is the fourth Mizukage and 3 tails jin and he is not the 3rd Mizukage. That one is unknown.

He he he 3tails Jin isn't 3rd Mizukage he is 4th Mizukage he became 3 tails Jin after Rin's death and I agree that he is stronger than them.................!

True. He is 3 tails jin and 4th mizukage, not 3rd mizukage. Ill correct it.

 

[NagatoSolos]

3rd Raikage > Hiruzen due speed .

 

[itachi4real]

yea I guess so

 

[jorgelius]

most those kages have defences much higher levels than shuriken bunshin is needed, yet it was move hiruzen charged to ten tails host..

at best he can draw few of them, only win againts kazekage

 

[S A G E]

He was trained by the first and second hokage so he has immense battle experience.
That and his 1000 jutsus, including his bad-ass summon enma, and possibility of a sage mode would allow him to defeat any of those other kages.
It is a fact that the Hokages were the strongest shinobi of their time, and kishi wouldn't state this unless he has already planned for them to be very OP beyond other village ninjas.

 

[AlexXx]

The 3rd Hokage Hiruzen, has no special ability. That means all his power comes from training and talent.

because of that i like him.

 

[Meowazziel]

most those kages have defences much higher levels than shuriken bunshin is needed, yet it was move hiruzen charged to ten tails host..

at best he can draw few of them, only win againts kazekage

He didnt threw shuriken kage bunshin to damage Juubito. He probably only threw it to analyze the jutsu that Juubito was using.
That is what I believe at least.

He was trained by the first and second hokage so he has immense battle experience.
That and his 1000 jutsus, including his bad-ass summon enma, and possibility of a sage mode would allow him to defeat any of those other kages.
It is a fact that the Hokages were the strongest shinobi of their time, and kishi wouldn't state this unless he has already planned for them to be very OP beyond other village ninjas.

Yeah. I am so interested in the jutsus that Hiruzen will show.
I hope he will use abilities like kage mane no jutsu or other jutsus from konoha and than follow it up with something new and awesome that we havent seen.

because of that i like him.

Me too and that is why I wonder what kind of jutsus he will use. Cause you need some awesome jutsu useage to be that great, without special abilities.

 

[AlexXx]

man i forgot enma, i would love to see him again. reminds me on dragonball

 

[blazekev90]

most those kages have defences much higher levels than shuriken bunshin is needed, yet it was move hiruzen charged to ten tails host..

at best he can draw few of them, only win againts kazekage

Kazekage would rape easily, especially if he attempted to use shuriken. That would be dumb to use.

 

[NarutoChangeSasuke]

I'd have really loved to learn more about the 3rd kazekage ae. Oonoki in is prime would be interesting too. Because atm he is just farting around with his back but his ****ing dust jutsu thing is OP haha. Raikage takes speed obviously, and brute strength. Mizukage we know like nothing about. The only thing I can say is I THINK Hiruzen is probably the wisest and has the most will power. But I don't know if I think he was the best of the 3rd Kages..

 

[SeBa]

that's what she said.
yes yes it is ... but don't really know how can he beat the 3rd raikage. for the other's hiruzen solos.

 

[MickNerks]

Yeah Hiruzen was the strongest of all the kages during his reign.

What people dont realize is that Hiruzen hasnt shown us his full arsenal yet. Even the stuff we do know he has, he hasnt displayed it (ex. Mud Wall, Dragon flame Bomb, Mud Clone, Shadow clone, Enma). If you are a true hiruzen fan you would know that hiruzen doesnt go out guns-a-blazing. He doesnt use any jutsu that he doesnt feel is necessary, which is why we havent seen most of his jutsu yet (as he explained when he fought orochimaru).

I greatly believe that he could have easily defeated Oonoki, 3rd Raikage, Mizukage, Kazekage, and the other kages that reigned at the same time as him. Hiruzen is far from a push over.

I find it funny that most people respect Hashirama as God of Shinobi becuase orochimaru stated it. Yet, orochimaru also stated that Hiruzen was stronger than Onoki, 3rd Raikage, and 3rd kazekage and people still dont want to believe it. So, basically you choose what orochimaru is right about and what he isnt right about?

SMH, one day this base will learn. Hiruzen is about to show out and when he does most people will try to claim fandom and ride him, its sad really.lol


But to answer OP, yeah hiruzen most likely could defeat them all, as we saw in the last chapter he was fully aware on oonoki and his dust release and even knew the machanics behind it. And if he could compleletly break down juubito's jutsu in less then 10 seconds of seeing it then its highly possible that he was able to MASTER all the jutsu in the leaf just by seeing it performed once. He only saw minato use death reaper seal once (at a distance) and was able to replicate it immediately after. The man is simply a Master of Jutsu.​

 

[Meowazziel]

But to answer OP, yeah hiruzen most likely could defeat them all, as we saw in the last chapter he was fully aware on oonoki and his dust release and even knew the machanics behind it. And if he could compleletly break down juubito's jutsu in less then 10 seconds of seeing it then its highly possible that he was able to MASTER all the jutsu in the leaf just by seeing it performed once. He only saw minato use death reaper seal once (at a distance) and was able to replicate it immediately after. The man is simply a Master of Jutsu.​

Do you think he could use the lightning armor from Raikage too, by just seeing it once or so? Or do you think he battled him in some other way? Like using other ways to handle the speed. FTG as well like Minato? Some other jutsu?
How do you picture some of the battles like Raikage vs Hiruzen and Onoki vs Hiruzen?
I want to believe that Hiruzen could take them all on, but I just wonder how he fought a few like 3rd Raikage and Onoki. Would he use kage mane to trap Onoki's shadow that is on the ground? (would be cool)
Hiruzen cant use jinton that is for sure.

I think MInato told Hiruzen about the deathgod jutsu though. Since he knew the name, recognized it when Minato used it, so he heard of it before.

 

[MickNerks]

Do you think he could use the lightning armor from Raikage too, by just seeing it once or so? Or do you think he battled him in some other way? Like using other ways to handle the speed. FTG as well like Minato? Some other jutsu?
How do you picture some of the battles like Raikage vs Hiruzen and Onoki vs Hiruzen?
I want to believe that Hiruzen could take them all on, but I just wonder how he fought a few like 3rd Raikage and Onoki. Would he use kage mane to trap Onoki's shadow that is on the ground? (would be cool)
Hiruzen cant use jinton that is for sure.

I think MInato told Hiruzen about the deathgod jutsu though. Since he knew the name, recognized it when Minato used it, so he heard of it before.

I dont think he knew knew lighting armour, as it wasnt a jutsu in the hidden leaf. But there are many ways he could have slowed raikage down. For instanse he could have use genjutsu (which he is know for having 1000 types of), and as far as onoki I think Enma could have played a large role in defeating him. Also, since we know that Hiruzen knows the mechanics behind Jinton, its very likely he has a counter for it. As itachi stated many times, "every jutsu has a weakness'.

 

[Meowazziel]

I dont think he knew knew lighting armour, as it wasnt a jutsu in the hidden leaf. But there are many ways he could have slowed raikage down. For instanse he could have use genjutsu (which he is know for having 1000 types of), and as far as onoki I think Enma could have played a large role in defeating him. Also, since we know that Hiruzen knows the mechanics behind Jinton, its very likely he has a counter for it. As itachi stated many times, "every jutsu has a weakness'.

Underlined part is very true.
Hiruzen having 1000+ jutsus doesnt mean that he has 1000+ genjutsus though, but you probably meant some genjutsus are in the 1000+ jutsus Hiruzen has. It looks a bit like you are saying that he has 1000+ genjutsus, the way you typed it. Or do you actually mean he has 1000+ genjutsus?

 

[Avinash012]

He he he 3tails Jin isn't 3rd Mizukage he is 4th Mizukage he became 3 tails Jin after Rin's death and I agree that he is stronger than them.................!

 

[jorgelius]

I dont think he knew knew lighting armour, as it wasnt a jutsu in the hidden leaf. But there are many ways he could have slowed raikage down. For instanse he could have use genjutsu (which he is know for having 1000 types of), and as far as onoki I think Enma could have played a large role in defeating him. Also, since we know that Hiruzen knows the mechanics behind Jinton, its very likely he has a counter for it. As itachi stated many times, "every jutsu has a weakness'.

we have seen defences.. dont tell me againts 1st and 2nd he dont use very best he have? even if we assume and im flexible now, he at his old age can utilize 50% chakra he once had it dont make any difference againts someone like onoki, his ability to fly is worst possible defence againts hiruzen and his gorilla..
raikage .. yeah genjutsu is only way to go, but still i assume he dont have tsykuomi so putting raikage inside genjutsu dont serve any purpose while in v2 armor
jinchuuriki yagura.. hard to say since we know near to nothing about his abilities, could go eitherway
kazekage he can win.

to me its kinda weird everyone didnt grasp at the end of part one who and really strong madara and hashirama was.. it was hinted thorought the first part of series..

hiruzzen just isnt that big of a deal, now that strongest are gathered at one battlefield

 

[MickNerks]

Underlined part is very true.
Hiruzen having 1000+ jutsus doesnt mean that he has 1000+ genjutsus though, but you probably meant some genjutsus are in the 1000+ jutsus Hiruzen has. It looks a bit like you are saying that he has 1000+ genjutsus, the way you typed it. Or do you actually mean he has 1000+ genjutsus?

The manga stated that hiruzen knew all the jutsu that exist within the leaf, which is proballyu MORE than 1000.
Ebisu stated that hiruzen knew over 1000 illusions (genjutsu), or we could just say he knew more than 1000 ninjutsu.

Either way in his entire arsenal, im sure hiruzen has genjutsu that could restrain the raikage.

 

[thegame]

First of all, Yagura wasn't the 3rd Mizukage, just to get your facts straight. He was the 4th. The 3rd is unknown.

Also, it was said that the hokage was always the strongest of the 5, however, your logic that it would mean he can defeat the others 1 on 1 is simply stupid.

The - by far - most important ability for a kage is knowledge. Not about his enemies, but about his village and fellow shinobi. This knowledge would allow him to use their abilities as a whole to win wars. The strength of a single individual do not decide wars. With the correct ambush even a fodder shinobi could kill Hashirama.

So back to my main point. We don't know much of Hiruzens abilities. If he has some jutsu we haven't seen yet, it would be interesting, but I doubt it, simply because it would question his fight against Orochimaru. Also, the thing is, even that bad ass attack from the 2nd didn't even damage Jubito. However, it may be, that with knowledge alone, Hiruzen could be the one to form a strategy to defeat Jubito, and thus in that manner giving him more credit than anyone on the battlefield.

 

[Meowazziel]

He he he 3tails Jin isn't 3rd Mizukage he is 4th Mizukage he became 3 tails Jin after Rin's death and I agree that he is stronger than them.................!

True. He is 3 tails jin and 4th mizukage, not 3rd mizukage. Ill correct it.