Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage

[DeadManWonderLand]

Why? Because it's my opinion and Hiruzen knew Hashirama and Tobirama personally. He has seen their techniques because they have both taught him. I'm pretty sure Hiruzen would know how to counter his own teachers. Why would they teach him if they knew he was not going to surpass them. Aren't the new generations suppose to pass the old ones? Moreover Hiruzen already admitted that he was once at some point the strongest Hokage. Iruka said he is the strongest Hokage to the Academy students. Hiruzen replied with "Hey, Iruka!! Don't use past tense!!" Yes I know Irkua is weak but Iruka is a teacher in the academy, he should be able to know the History well

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Your opinion is not fact.Not to mention when kabuto spoke of hashirama he said of his generation not "of all time"Being his student can give him insight others would not have if he fights him but that does not mean he wins automatically.Your reasoning is seriously flawed

 

[Kettei]

Hashirama And Minato> Hiruzen

 

[YellowFang]

No, no. three at best...

 

[KidGamer65]

Unbelievable Fairy Tale>Believable "God of Shinobi".

Hiruzen's power was great so he earned the title of God of Shinobi

Hashirama's power was so great that people couldn't fathom it, they couldn't believe it was real.

Tell me, who's power is greater?

 

[oooog]

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[zesto]

ORDER IN WHICH THE ARRIVE

HASHIRAMA-------------PURE HYPE

Tsunade------works her as off and she deserves it.

Tobirama--------HYPED UP BECAUSE OF HIS BROTHER; I'm sure if his brother was a weakling his name wouldn't be mentioned at all since he's weaker than him.

Minato----------EVERYBODY OR MOST PEOPLE THINKS THAT SPEED AND RASENGAN ARE UNSTOPPABLE; continue you wont learn that way

Hiruzen--------- kishi power levels were nothing in part 1 compare to now.........iruka is a weakling, kabuto currently so idk why you people are overrating him so much when all the sannins are stronger than him, he lose to 1 which makes his title lesser.

 

[OnPoint]

A man (Hashirama) ran up the tallest mountain whilst carrying two buckets of weight 2 tonnes. The people who heard of this believed it to be an over exaggerated myth and ultimately labelled it as down right malarkey. Years later, another man (Hiruzen) ran up the mountain, but this time carried buckets weighing 8 tonnes. Yet the people found that this story was far more believable??? That is essentially the kind of logic you express by arguing that Hiruzen's 'believable' strength can be greater than Hashirama's 'unbelievable' might. It's fallacious to claim that a weaker person can have myth like strength.

Until this analogy is debunked, i've nothing more to add to this topic.

 

[Disquiet]

Unbelievable Fairy Tale>Believable "God of Shinobi".

Hiruzen's power was great so he earned the title of God of Shinobi

Hashirama's power was so great that people couldn't fathom it, they couldn't believe it was real.

Tell me, who's power is greater?

Actually, going by this, Hiruzen would be the more powerful one here. People who heard rumors called it a fairytale. People saw Hiruzen's powers and called him a God of shinobi.

 

[Superior]

Disagree.
Stop with this thread please

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually, going by this, Hiruzen would be the more powerful one here. People who heard rumors called it a fairytale. People saw Hiruzen's powers and called him a God of shinobi.

Read the post above yours...it explains it better than I ever could.

 

[markdabomb22]

Hiruzen is the strongest hokage until kishi shows us a page that states otherwise.

 

[Deadai]

read my hokage thread; you will see how she is stronger than these guys..........you believe that if she doesn't spit fire she is weak or if she doesn't clap her hands and yells earth jutsu she is a fodder. what non sense. Her Taijutsu isn't ugly dude........she stomps edo madara clones several times, even with rennigan link vision.

all she does is punch and kick
ugly taijutsu
weak
weak
weak
WEAK

although she is a fantastic medic that is all I can give her.

 

[Owarij]

"There aren't ninjas on the same level as Hashirama around anymore..." ~ Kabuto Yakushi

Words right out of kabuto's mouth.. right after he said the whole unbelivable strength thing..

People seem to think Hashirama was the utmost strongest ninja to have ever existed... yet kabuto stated there have been ninjas who can match his strength...
Obviously excluding himself and tobi

 

[Disquiet]

Read the post above yours...it explains it better than I ever could.

It's not really saying anything different. What needs to be realized that gods are considered fairytails, Hiruzen's powers was actually witnessed.

 

[Disquiet]

If anything, and I'm stretching it by saying this; god is more of a confirmed fairy tale. People who don't "believe" in gods consider them fairy tales/myths, people who do believe them call them gods. I ask you this....if people actually seen Hiruzens carrying 8 tons, why would they still say his powers doesn't exist? It doesn't make sense..

The fact that he earned this title through actual witnesses says a lot.

 

[zesto]

Hiruzen is the strongest hokage until kishi shows us a page that states otherwise.

ok :| hard headed.

 

[Lucidus]

If anything, and I'm stretching it by saying this; god is more of a confirmed fairy tale. People who don't "believe" in gods consider them fairy tales/myths, people who do believe them call them gods. I ask you this....if people actually seen Hiruzens carrying 8 tons, why would they still say his powers doesn't exist? It doesn't make sense..

The fact that he earned this title through actual witnesses says a lot.

"only hashirama is able to defeat me" << words straight from madara's mouth who lived through hiruzens rein.... madara was one of the people to actually witness hashirama's powers and its considered a fairytail because the people who saw it pass it down to the younger generations and because it is so hard to believe they just consider it a fairytail...

 

[zesto]

all she does is punch and kick
ugly taijutsu
weak
weak
weak
WEAK

although she is a fantastic medic that is all I can give her.

calm down man..........R U MAD or jealous that she's better than Hiruzen....... I mean Hiruzen Little fire styles cant harm the OUT POWERFUL BYAKUGOU LOL......please just deal with. she stomps. if you want to discuss there abilities are start a flame war i have all night baby.

 

[OnPoint]

Implying people saw Hiruzen's God-like power and believed it, yet heard of Hashirama's 'weaker' (in comparison) strength and disbelieved it, is creating a clear logical fallacy. It does not follow that someone can disregard a feat lesser than what they've already experienced or come across.

 

[zesto]

Implying people saw Hiruzen's God-like power and believed it, yet heard of Hashirama's 'weaker' (in comparison) strength and disbelieved it, is creating a clear logical fallacy. It does not follow that someone can disregard a feat lesser than what they've already experienced or come across.

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