It's not a summon, It's a mokuton jutsu. Since it's a Jutsu it's strength differs between users.
Simply because one Shin Susenju from a different user used all 5 elements doesn't mean all versions of it can no matter the user.
Hiruzen IS the God of Shinobi
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Simply because one Shin Susenju from a different user used all 5 elements doesn't mean all versions of it can no matter the user.
Kakashi Hatakeo
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I know, but you get the point when he was brought back with Edo tense I people wanted to see new jutsu. I have the most respect for hiruzen as a character but I laughed when I saw him use shurikens against juubito. Now we know the hype is real and hopefully he shows more with shikamaru stating only the third can do anything
Let's be more logical here; what makes you believe that a "failed" clone from the original can do a certain jutsu better than the original?
Other than that, Hashirama's Shinsuusenju also has those 5 heads where those elemental jutsus came from.
I'm sorry, but you're being illogical and bias, all the more reason for me to dislike Hiruzen fanboys.
@Bold, indeed. All the other hokage have had their spotlight. Now it's Hiruzen's turn.I know, but you get the point when he was brought back with Edo tense I people wanted to see new jutsu. I have the most respect for hiruzen as a character but I laughed when I saw him use shurikens against juubito. Now we know the hype is real and hopefully he shows more with shikamaru stating only the third can do anything
Thundercles
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Thundercles
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Well obviously not anymore. That was established in the Orochimaru fight. Madara also has KKG to help him. Hiruzen has no known KKG to allow him to ass-pull.
You know Kakashi used Water, earth, lightning and Fire (anime) right? Mei has Water, earth, Fire, Boiling, lava and Oonoki has Wind, earth, fire and dust. Learning an element can take weeks to months to master, Naruto learned wind using clones to speed up his learning and Hiruzen knew Shadow clone and was said to have enormous chakra in his prime and even when he was old it was large enough to crack the roof with Orochimaru's chakra. Rinnegan allows you to master all elements but also lets you use any jutsu so you can use wood, lava, dust, ect with the Rinnegan.
Hashirama was Hiruzen's teacher along with Tobirama and in his old age effectively countered their attacks. The Sage and his mom were seen as myth and legends as many ninjas didn't know about them, even Kakashi called the Sage a myth. Jiraiya had some info on it and so did Orochimaru, Nagato, Konan, Ebiki (the torture guy) all shown to have some info on the Sage. Madara was never called the God of Shinobi, Hashirama and Hiruzen were by other Ninja and we learned the Sage was the like an actual god.
You do know we only seen Hashirama summon it in SM so we don't know if the size would be larger and if it is the same saiz then it could be his high chakra that allows it. Old Hiruzen who is an Edo Tensei so not at full power in his old age is who split his chakra 1/5 with his four clones effectively countered the attacks.
Well we seen a SM use it, we don't know if it's the same size in his base, I'm sure it's larger than Zetsu's but it might not be the same as his SM one. Look at Hashirama's/Madara's wood jutsus compared to Yamato's, Yamato's not close to it.
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KingHashirama
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YEEEE FINALLYY!!!!!!
(I still wanted more from Tobirama though lord no X_X)
But lets go Hiruzen!!
(I still wanted more from Tobirama though lord no X_X)
But lets go Hiruzen!!
patrickscott
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When I read the latest chapter I was shocked. Not because of Hiruzen, but how the hell did the Thousand Hand Buddha Suddenly appear? My perspective on Hiruzen has changed however..........HE IS NOT THE GOD OF SHINOBI. HAGOMORO IS!!!!!
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Any idiot who read the manga and still thought hiruzen couldn't use 5 elements must have something wrong with them , though i understand why they would think hiruzen was a bit weaker than the other 2 god of shinobi for the fact that we dont really have an idea on whether he was strong or weak all we have to compare is old hiruzen and an old hiruzen edo which still doesn't give us much , though this is kishimoto's fault with some terrible display of hiruzen , i dont blame anyone who think hiruzen is weak i too infact think he could be better with a few more unique jutsu.
I still think the GoS list goes like this SO6P > Hashirama > Hiruzen
while the hokage list as of now goes Hashirama > Minato> Tobirama/Hiruzen>Tsunade , it can be changed when kishimoto gives him more feats because in terms of feats the top 3 hokage can beat hiruzen, But nice for hiruzen finally showed something quite awesome.
I still think the GoS list goes like this SO6P > Hashirama > Hiruzen
while the hokage list as of now goes Hashirama > Minato> Tobirama/Hiruzen>Tsunade , it can be changed when kishimoto gives him more feats because in terms of feats the top 3 hokage can beat hiruzen, But nice for hiruzen finally showed something quite awesome.
