Hiruzen is still fighting the good fight.

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It seems that all the great shinobi we presumed to be amazing have been fodderized. There is only 1 man left that has shown us 1% of his power which 1% was the use of ALL 5 elements. A feat No one in this series has shown canonically.

I hope that there is a jutsu that will allow Hiruzen to return to his prime state that way we can see the trully epic battle of Prime Hiruzen vs Sage Madara.

This fight will be trully epic although we can agree that Madara stands no chance against Prime Hiruzen

Lets compare Hiruzen feats to Sage Madara:

Neutralizer > Onyoudon

Enma Staff >= So6p since after all Enma staff 1 shot the God Tree

RDS > Madara

Since Hiruzen can use 5 elements and 5 kage bunshin with 0 difficulty.
And since Manga says he knows all techniques of Konoha
and since Jiraiya was his student

I believe Hiruzen has Senjutsu through Monkey Sage Mode

This means Hiruzen 5 element usage can beat Juubi 4 element usage.

Unfortunately Plot is preventing Hiruzen from fighting Madara

Those who disagree are confirming that they disregard manga facts and feats

Thoughts?
 

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It seems that all the great shinobi we presumed to be amazing have been fodderized. There is only 1 man left that has shown us 1% of his power which 1% was the use of ALL 5 elements. A feat No one in this series has shown canonically.

I hope that there is a jutsu that will allow Hiruzen to return to his prime state that way we can see the trully epic battle of Prime Hiruzen vs Sage Madara.

This fight will be trully epic although we can agree that Madara stands no chance against Prime Hiruzen

Lets compare Hiruzen feats to Sage Madara:

Neutralizer > Onyoudon

Enma Staff >= So6p since after all Enma staff 1 shot the God Tree

RDS > Madara

Since Hiruzen can use 5 elements and 5 kage bunshin with 0 difficulty.
And since Manga says he knows all techniques of Konoha
and since Jiraiya was his student

I believe Hiruzen has Senjutsu through Monkey Sage Mode

This means Hiruzen 5 element usage can beat Juubi 4 element usage.

Unfortunately Plot is preventing Hiruzen from fighting Madara

Those who disagree are confirming that they disregard manga facts and feats

Thoughts?
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Neutralizer? Just deal with the fact that Hiruzen is not that impressive. His basic ninja abilities are top notch but he lacks any special ability or signature ninjutsu (Mokuton, ftg, edo tensei, byakugo etc) that puts you above anyone strong.
 

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Neutralizer? Just deal with the fact that Hiruzen is not that impressive. His basic ninja abilities are top notch but he lacks any special ability or signature ninjutsu (Mokuton, ftg, edo tensei, byakugo etc) that puts you above anyone strong.
Yes Hiruzen is not impressive, and Tsunade's Byakugou puts her on a dimension higher than Hiruzen.
 

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Nice thread man, Agreed.

Juubi Jin uses 4 elements whilst Hiruzen uses 5 elements.

Also tech neutralizer neutralizes Onmyoudon. Hiruzen can anytime resort to RDS and put an end to Madara. Kishi purposly held Hiruzen back by not bringing him in his Prime State back unlike all other Hokages but still he's the only hope of the Shinobi Alliance as said by the manga itself!!
 

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Yes Hiruzen is not impressive, and Tsunade's Byakugou puts her on a dimension higher than Hiruzen.
Actually yes.
Hiruzen loses against Tsunade given she has special abilities that others do not possess, such as byakugo and her awesome strength(paired with her awesome taijutsu skills). Oh, and she is the best in medical ninjutsu too. She even has a lot better summon than Hiruzen.

Again, Hiruzen lacks any speciality. He is like this basic ninja that every normal ninja that does not want to be hokage to should want to be. He uses basic ninjutsus and shuriken. :|
I said he's not that impressive, not that he's not impressive at all.
 

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Actually yes.
Hiruzen loses against Tsunade given she has special abilities that others do not possess, such as byakugo and her awesome strength(paired with her awesome taijutsu skills). Oh, and she is the best in medical ninjutsu too. She even has a lot better summon than Hiruzen.

Again, Hiruzen lacks any speciality. He is like this basic ninja that every normal ninja that does not want to be hokage to should want to be. He uses basic ninjutsus and shuriken. :|
I said he's not that impressive, not that he's not impressive at all.

Enma > Tsunade strength...

5 elements mastery > basic shinobi claim
 

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Enma > Tsunade strength...

5 elements mastery > basic shinobi claim
Umm... : D Enma is just durable in his ADAMANTINE staff form. Nothing suggests strength that's even remotely close to Tsunade.
Orochimaru's smaller snakes could hold Enma down. :D

That's the point! Hiruzen uses basic shinobi skills, elemental ninjutsus, shuriken, clone jutsus and stuff but is way better than any average shinobi in them (using the 5 elements for example)
He's like the model shinobi if you don't want to/can't specialize in anything.
Hiruzen is quite cool this way, being a kage with just using basic ninjutsus and stuff.
And don't push it. Or I'll take it back. :'D
 

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Umm... : D Enma is just durable in his ADAMANTINE staff form. Nothing suggests strength that's even remotely close to Tsunade.
Orochimaru's smaller snakes could hold Enma down. :D

That's the point! Hiruzen uses basic shinobi skills, elemental ninjutsus, shuriken, clone jutsus and stuff but is way better than any average shinobi in them (using the 5 elements for example)
He's like the model shinobi if you don't want to/can't specialize in anything.
Hiruzen is quite cool this way, being a kage with just using basic ninjutsus and stuff.
And don't push it. Or I'll take it back. :'D
He pushed Full Kyuubi out of the village... Also this basic shinobi trained your favorite...
 

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Actually yes.
Hiruzen loses against Tsunade given she has special abilities that others do not possess, such as byakugo and her awesome strength(paired with her awesome taijutsu skills). Oh, and she is the best in medical ninjutsu too. She even has a lot better summon than Hiruzen.

Again, Hiruzen lacks any speciality. He is like this basic ninja that every normal ninja that does not want to be hokage to should want to be. He uses basic ninjutsus and shuriken. :|
I said he's not that impressive, not that he's not impressive at all.
Bantos, I think you're drunk man. Take the night off.
 
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