HIRUZEN is still elite jonin.

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Best feat is still B ranked ninjutsu it was impressive but not really. The clones have infinite chakra and the best he could do was match mini wood goddesses attack. Speaking of which anyone else notice hiruzen can only fight weakend enemies? Hashi and tobirama at 30%, incomplete juubito, mini wood goddess... and he always comes up short anyway! UCHIHAHAHAHA #Spiralzetsusoloes
 

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Are you fking kidding me? Gtfo ya stupid troll
 

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Hiruzen ain't shit without his walking stick.
 

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you're dumb.

hiruzen will own poop zetsu with enma adamantine staff shinsuusenju gots nothing against a weapon that is able to extend meters upon meters in length and more durable than diamond x100. it cuts it up like a sharpened katana sword cutting paper.

theres no beating god of shinbo bru
 

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well he just accomplished 2 great feats...

1. matching senjutsu from the buddha with his own chakra/jutsu...senjutsu is the highest form off chakra it is > all but hiruzen just matched it with his own normal chakra/jutsu, so he just proved hiruzen chakra/jutsu = senjutsu


2. He is 1 of 3 shinobi ever capable of using all 5 elements, nagato and kakuzu are the other 2 but unlike them hiruzen doesnt need a jutsu thats steal elements or a dojutsu that automatically gives u this ability he does them himself naturally off his own skills
 

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you're dumb.

hiruzen will own poop zetsu with enma adamantine staff shinsuusenju gots nothing against a weapon that is able to extend meters upon meters in length and more durable than diamond x100. it cuts it up like a sharpened katana sword cutting paper.

theres no beating god of shinbo bru
didnt orochimaru beat him? Also if he was so strong why hasnt he just killed spiral zetsu? Sasuke, nardo, hashi, AND tobirama have all died no reason to "hold back".
 

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well he just accomplished 2 great feats...

1. matching senjutsu from the buddha with his own chakra/jutsu...senjutsu is the highest form off chakra it is > all but hiruzen just matched it with his own normal chakra/jutsu, so he just proved hiruzen chakra/jutsu = senjutsu


2. He is 1 of 3 shinobi ever capable of using all 5 elements, nagato and kakuzu are the other 2 but unlike them hiruzen doesnt need a jutsu thats steal elements or a dojutsu that automatically gives u this ability he does them himself naturally off his own skills
Rinnegan doesnt give all five elements this is a common misconception. Whose to say kakuzu fidnt already know all five?
 

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didnt orochimaru beat him? Also if he was so strong why hasnt he just killed spiral zetsu? Sasuke, nardo, hashi, AND tobirama have all died no reason to "hold back".

hashirama and tobirama have been dead for many years...


that hiruzen who lost to oro was old and barely had any chakra because of that...u just dnt like him and want to hate on him...in the words of Wayne " Stop hating on a ***** that is a weak emotion the lady of a ***** "

also oro and kabuto both noted that if hiruzen was younger things would have been different and the manga said if it had been 10 years earlier things would have been different...so from just 69 to 59 he would have had a little more chakra and would still be alive...


even danzo with 1000 sharingans and hashirama dna just before he died said that he was still behind hiruzen and that hiruzen's skill performing any jutsu is unsurpassed...that means whatever jutsu hiruzen does is of the highest quality and that it doesnt get any better than his which is why he just matched senjutsu with his own chakra/jutsu from the buddha
 

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Rinnegan doesnt give all five elements this is a common misconception. Whose to say kakuzu fidnt already know all five?

okay it doesnt matter if it does he still 1 of 3 shinobi to have ever done this..so quit hating

and kakuzu said how he got those abilities so what the **** are u talking about...just stop hating on that man, people hate what they dnt understand
 

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okay it doesnt matter if it does he still 1 of 3 shinobi to have ever done this..so quit hating

and kakuzu said how he got those abilities so what the **** are u talking about...just stop hating on that man, people hate what they dnt understand
Hes a elite jonin at best still not hating its just a fact.
 

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Well i've been seeing comments like hiruzen weak he's fodder all he does is Shadow shuriken when being reanimanted he has no features he only fought a weak edo version of Tobirama & Hashirama like what manga are you reading? The feature of edo gives you unlimited chakra,stamina,and undieing body on top of that he's fighting 3 vs 1 how in god name is that even a fair fight ?


No features really his best feature was shown while being revived.


A Giant Juubi tail beast bomb Killer bee in his bijuu form shooting countless beast bomb couldn't stop it with the help of a whole army using how many earth style barrier walls.
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Hiruzen side of the Four Red Suns Battle Encampment barrier was still held up now so im guessing that wasn't a feature on that of that Hiruzen was using earth style barriers since part one lmao So please people at this point who would of had a technique to stop a tail beast bomb of that level and not have a scracth on them the 3rd raikage,4th raikage, 5th Hokage, 2nd Mizukage, 4th mizukage, 5th Mizukage, 3rd Kazekage ,4th Kazekage, 5th Kazekage 2nd Tsuchikage, 3rd Tsuchikage , Kakashi,Might Guy,Yamato,Darui,Hanzo ,Mifune ?


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Well here's another comment that he got 1 shotted lol for real ? Who wouldn't get one shotted by Juubito at this point ?
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Juubito would have one shotted KCM naruto if Sasuke hadn't gone saved him? Or how about when Minato had to warp both naruto & Sasuke out of the way , Lets not forget KCM Minato who was rescued by Tobirama?

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Hiruzen was the guy who was able to seal Orochimaru arms away in a fight already taking a edo Tobirama & Hashirama yes they were not a full power but still had unlimited Chakra ,Stamina, and a undieing body. The same Orochimaru who took on a 4 tail Kurma Naruto mode will his body was weaken with no arms. He's shown to have 2 elements at a good scale, 2 S- Rank techinques one a Barrier & another a sealing , Summoning Technique , Great intelligence and knowledge. Now he's a shown to stop 5 elemental jutsu with his 5 elements justu he's Elite Jounin level most jounin can barely use to element yet one
 

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okay it doesnt matter if it does he still 1 of 3 shinobi to have ever done this..so quit hating

and kakuzu said how he got those abilities so what the **** are u talking about...just stop hating on that man, people hate what they dnt understand

Their's also that hair girl in the anime if she counts.
 

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Old Hiruzen was elite jounin-low Kage but only due to his stamina issues. With higher chakra levels he is mid Kage.
 

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Best feat is still B ranked ninjutsu it was impressive but not really. The clones have infinite chakra and the best he could do was match mini wood goddesses attack. Speaking of which anyone else notice hiruzen can only fight weakend enemies? Hashi and tobirama at 30%, incomplete juubito, mini wood goddess... and he always comes up short anyway! UCHIHAHAHAHA #Spiralzetsusoloes

I've already told you Ranks are the jutsu's strength, They are ranked on how hard they are to learn not how strong they are.
Also i love how you're calling the mini Shin Susenju weak when it's owning the 5 kage and some of the army.

Haters gonna hate i guess.

Old Hiruzen was elite jounin-low Kage but only due to his stamina issues. With higher chakra levels he is mid Kage.

By your logic itachi is must be a Elite Jonin-Low kage.
 

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By your logic itachi is must be a Elite Jonin-Low kage.

Not really. MS Itachi is high Kage stamina issues or not. Hiruzen only has regular elemental attacks.
 

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Not really. MS Itachi is high Kage stamina issues or not. Hiruzen only has regular elemental attacks.

Even without Ms he beat Orochimaru with a "regular" genjutsu and a kunai did he not?.

You say it like the attacks were weak.
"Regular" or not the attacks were quite large even with his chakra split into 1/5th of it's normal size. The fact he can use all 5 on that scale puts him above the likes of elite jonin.

You also seem to forget he has mastery over both Tai and gen and 5 intel to back up on and even Enma.
 

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lol? A Hokage being Elite Jonin level? Please slap yourself.
 

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Best feat is still B ranked ninjutsu it was impressive but not really. The clones have infinite chakra and the best he could do was match mini wood goddesses attack. Speaking of which anyone else notice hiruzen can only fight weakend enemies? Hashi and tobirama at 30%, incomplete juubito, mini wood goddess... and he always comes up short anyway! UCHIHAHAHAHA #Spiralzetsusoloes


And obito is a gennin, manga fact that without the cheap kamui he is a fodder, he could not beat the likes of chouji
 
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