Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

Hiruzen Prime vs Itachi


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9jakakashi

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1st of all, i'm not anybody's fanboy,.. But i hate sasuke and itachi haters... Hiruzen cant beat some1 he cant touch, hiruzen cant beat some1 wit yata mirror and tosuka sword.. He cant beat some1 who took out his WHOLE clan...a clan feared 4 its strenght and skill, he cant beat itachi who made orochimaru seem lyk a featherless chicken, he cant beat some1 who held off 3 strong konoha jounins and didnt break a sweat, you cant beat some1 whose fire techs were unmatched in a clan full of fire element users, some1 whose speed seemed lyk teleportation,.... AND I DONT THINK THE 1ST AND 2ND WERE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN OROCHIMARU SUMMONED THEM
 

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1st of all, i'm not anybody's fanboy,.. But i hate sasuke and itachi haters... Hiruzen cant beat some1 he cant touch, hiruzen cant beat some1 wit yata mirror and tosuka sword.. He cant beat some1 who took out his WHOLE clan...a clan feared 4 its strenght and skill, he cant beat itachi who made orochimaru seem lyk a featherless chicken, he cant beat some1 who held off 3 strong konoha jounins and didnt break a sweat, you cant beat some1 whose fire techs were unmatched in a clan full of fire element users, some1 whose speed seemed lyk teleportation,.... AND I DONT THINK THE 1ST AND 2ND WERE IN THEIR PRIME WHEN OROCHIMARU SUMMONED THEM
What you stated just made you look like a super fanboy. but you should know you made me fell out my chair and lol to unmatched fire lol.
 

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What you stated just made you look like a super fanboy. but you should know you made me fell out my chair and lol to unmatched fire lol.
Lol right? and Hiruzen's Katon Enryudan was nothing to scoff at either.


EDIT *katon karyuu endan
 
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Umm wait u all are arguing saying tsukuyomi, amaterasu or susanoo. but in reality none of the 3 even have to be used. One Koto Amatsukami and its all over. thats all there is to it. For people to seriously say hiruzen wins is just absurd lol. I am sure hiruzen knows about the sharingan and has heard of the "amaterasu of legend which never burns out" not sure if he has heard of tsukuyomi to be honest. and i am 100% sure he has heard of susanoo. I am also 100% sure he has heard of the totsuka sword and has heard of the yata mirror and knows what they do. He definitely knows about all of htem. But here is the catch. Does he know itachi has the totsuka and yata? he most likely knows itachi has the amaterasu and tsukuyomi. Remember itachi and hiruzen had many encounters and discussed things on many levels. For Hiruzen to take a 13 year old itachi so seriously though. It should be clear to u that He knew itachi was something else. I do not think sarutobi in his prime has the speed and mobility to fight itachi. If nagato in his prime was stated to not have the mobility to take on itachi then i dont know what to think of sarutobi. He definitely doesnt have the speed to dodge amaterasu and cant beat itachi in taijutsu. Why? because he will be fighting itachi while looking at itachis feet. I dont think he can beat itachi at taijutsu if has to keep looking at itachis feet. while itachi can read his upcoming movements hiruzen cant read itachis movements at all. Itachi will know this obbviously and start juking him lol :p. He also doesnt have the mobility to dodge totsuka. Not a character has dodged it yet lol. Hiruzen is so epic :) i truly love that character. But beating itachi is out of the question. Have a good day everyone
 

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Umm wait u all are arguing saying tsukuyomi, amaterasu or susanoo. but in reality none of the 3 even have to be used. One Koto Amatsukami and its all over. thats all there is to it. For people to seriously say hiruzen wins is just absurd lol. I am sure hiruzen knows about the sharingan and has heard of the "amaterasu of legend which never burns out" not sure if he has heard of tsukuyomi to be honest. and i am 100% sure he has heard of susanoo. I am also 100% sure he has heard of the totsuka sword and has heard of the yata mirror and knows what they do. He definitely knows about all of htem. But here is the catch. Does he know itachi has the totsuka and yata? he most likely knows itachi has the amaterasu and tsukuyomi. Remember itachi and hiruzen had many encounters and discussed things on many levels. For Hiruzen to take a 13 year old itachi so seriously though. It should be clear to u that He knew itachi was something else. I do not think sarutobi in his prime has the speed and mobility to fight itachi. If nagato in his prime was stated to not have the mobility to take on itachi then i dont know what to think of sarutobi. He definitely doesnt have the speed to dodge amaterasu and cant beat itachi in taijutsu. Why? because he will be fighting itachi while looking at itachis feet. I dont think he can beat itachi at taijutsu if has to keep looking at itachis feet. while itachi can read his upcoming movements hiruzen cant read itachis movements at all. Itachi will know this obbviously and start juking him lol :p. He also doesnt have the mobility to dodge totsuka. Not a character has dodged it yet lol. Hiruzen is so epic :) i truly love that character. But beating itachi is out of the question. Have a good day everyone

You mean all the two times it was used? once on a crippled (all be him energized by 8 tails chakra) and the first time on a overly cocky immobile (sitting in a snakes mouth partially in its eso****us) Orochimaru (he also assumed he'd live through being impaled) I'm not trying to underrate Itachi or the sword of Totsuka but that's a pretty insignificant sample size of the effectiveness/speed of an attack.


Edit: Apparently i cant spell out eso-p-h-a-g-us because its too similiar to the word f@g epic phail!
 
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Come on guys even as an old man hiruzen stood against 3kage level shinobi and lasted the battle,even though defeated he didnt his oponets too didnt have full victory. I dought itachi can fight shodai and nidaime together.
 

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Hiruzen is like that guy in the intruder song " he's climbing up the walls he's burnin people up you need to hide ur clan hide brother oh wait itachi kind of already did that;D:D
 

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Because this isn't a traditional match concerning feats, but of hype, I will first refer to their hype. Hiruzen was prestigiously known as The God of Shinobi, and was also titled The Professor, because he knew of every jutsu in Konohagakure.

Itachi, on the other hand, was acclaimed by Yakushi Kabuto to be on clearly on another level to top tiers like Naruto, Nagato, and Kirābī. Moreover, Tobi stated that Itachi (once Tobi's apprentice) never ceased to amaze him. Orochimaru with Edo Tensei also feared approaching Itachi.

The difference in hype is fame. Itachi is indisputably renowned by fewer ninja, but those that do praise him are of extremely high quality. This is a result of Itachi's life in the shadows, which is what Danzō admired most about Itachi while resenting Hiruzen for basking in fame and glory.

There are certain limitations on Hiruzen's hype, however. For one, Hiruzen was unable to stand up against Kinkaku, Ginkaku, and their squad, even with Tobirama, Danzō, etc. He also seemed rather ineffective against Kurama, and didn't appear to worry Sharingan Tobi.

Itachi, in contrast, has maintained his hype considerably well. He butchered the famed Uchiha clan with Tobi's assistance, and easily defeated multiple S-rank ninja, including Sannin, Akatsuki, and ninja that had already defeated Akatsuki members. He is, in fact, responsible for sealing the two past main villains.

From the looks of their databooks, it would appear they're both geniuses in multiple fields, including ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, and sealing, although both characters' marks are likely impaired, because of either old age or sickness. Both Itachi's and Hiruzen's stamina, strength, and speed would be reduced.

However, I find it important to note that Hiruzen's databook entry includes him remarking that his intelligence could not compete with Orochimaru's talent. Personally, I find Itachi to be more talented than Orochimaru, and quite close in intelligence to Hiruzen. Consequently, he should be stronger as well.

Lastly, in terms of known jutsu, Itachi is comfortably ahead with his three Mangekyō eyeballs and legendary items, whereas Hiruzen must rely heavily upon Enma from what we know. Ultimately, I find their hype comparable, but not their feats - I suppose it would be prudent to elaborate on Hiruzen and Edo Tensei?

Most people miss it, but Orochimaru very distinctly taunts Hiruzen by saying how much longer do the Hokages have to toy with you? Orochimaru was purposefully holding back because Hiruzen claimed to know a jutsu that Orochimaru did not, appealing to Orochimaru's lust for knowledge of all jutsu in the world.
 
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Hiruzen Prime
Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime. According to Iruka, he was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had as well as the strongest of all the five Kage during his era. Even in his old age, Kabuto Yakushi considered him the strongest of the Five Kage at the time of his death. Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released; furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth. He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.

Hiruzen was called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha.

Fire Release and Earth Release

Hiruzen Jutsu

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Earth Release Shadow Clone
Earth Release: Double Suicide Decapitation Technique
Earth Release: Earth Dragon Bullet
Earth Release: Earth Flow River
Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Bullet
Fire Release: Fire Dragon Flame Bullet
Roof Tile Shuriken
Shadow Clone Technique
Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique
Summoning Technique (Monkey King: Enma)
Telescope Technique

Tools=Adamantine Staff,Bell

Hiruzen Prime Databook hasnt being release and idk if it even will but old age databook is 35 in total

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Itachi
In addition to being an extremely powerful shinobi, Itachi had equally impressive intelligence, and was shown to be very wise, something even Tobi acknowledged. He was exceedingly sharp and observant to any situation at hand, as he was rarely surprised or caught off guard. He also displayed great intuition, as he was almost never deceived and even then almost instantly realised the truth. This intelligence could also be seen through Itachi's immense foresight, such as examples like the foreknowledge of Sasuke's defeat of Deidara and simultaneous survival, his own pre-meditated fatalist view of death by Sasuke's hand, and most recently the implantation of his own Kotoamatsukami-imbued crow inside Naruto were only some examples seen. Despite his status as a wanted criminal, and having wiped out his clan, Itachi took no enjoyment in violence or combat, instead preferring to avoid battle or, if this was not possible, end it as quickly as he could

Fire Release and Water Release

Itachi Jutsus

Amaterasu
Clone Great Explosion
Crow Clone Technique
Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique
Dusk Crow Genjutsu
Ephemeral
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Fire Technique
Fire Release: Phoenix Sage Flower Nail Crimson
Shadow Clone Technique
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Yasaka Magatama

Tools=Sword,Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror


Databook

Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals
5 4.5 5 5 3.5 5 2.5 5

Total=35.5

So who do you think it could win this battle
Place=where Sannin battle was
NO RESTRICTIONS!

I think Hiruzen got this his a master of genjutsu he most know how to work with genjutsu and not be caught by them and has enma to protect him will a genjutsu and to get him out of a genjutsu

Like Minato i think at his prime he most have know how to make Death reaper release go farther than getting just close

He was consider at old age strongest kage at his time that mean A,Onooki,Mei,Garra Fathers and this was at old age

He was call the profesor for know every jutsu from konoha that include FTG,Rasengan,Fire Ball Jutsu,8 gates and many more that aint from a clan

We know everyone know how strong was the 1hokage and 2hokage and 4hokage and they still consider the Third Hokage "The God Of Shinobi"

BUT IDK WHAT DO YOU THINK! :cool:
Gentleman i can understand,the eagerness of making a new thread and all that jazz,but why not refrain from such threads like this one? U_U

Prime Hiruzen is fan hyped character(invented),and mostly featless,not even a shred of evidence can be brought to support a claim other than side characters subjective statements

I don't want to sound mean,but seriously there's no real objective judgement that can be made,via hype and 0 feats,the only judgement possible is one based on personal bias
 

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itachi would win hands down.


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Do you have any proof that itachi would win hands down?

For all we know Hiruzen in his prime could of had forbidden techs in his grasp more jutsu than itachi could ever dream of but like the posts before this we have only seen Monkey king enma, Death reaper seal, Earth release jutsus... Im not disagreeing with you or trying to make an argument im just pointing out.
 
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