Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[cooltony]

Ok well if he knew every jutsu in konoha than why didn't he use FTG against Oro during their fight? Jus saiyin!

well he knew how to use genjutsu too, but he didn't use it in their fight

 

[Blaze Release]

I was joking with the picture- merely a symbol for the outcome of the battle .The official fanbooks are also written by Kishi (look it up).

Hashirama and Tobirama successfully fought uchihas for decades and they were both regarded ( at that time) as the best shinibo the leaf had ever produced. How can you say so what? They obviously created counters for the mangekyou sharingan which they then passed down to Hiruzen, along with the rest of their abilities; so naturally, they created a beast in Hiruzen. Itachi didn’t show us anything Madara couldn’t do, which means Hiruzen has the clear advantage in the battle.

Hiruzen was the longest reigning Hokage in history while maintaining Konoha’s position as the number village in the world. Do you the significance of this? Three wars (two as a leader) and he still kept Konoha from being invaded. When Minato died he was reinstated as hokage because he was still the best in the village. He defeated three Kage level fighters in his old age- even though they labeled him pathetic and a far cry from his prime. Oh, not to forget that guys like third raikaga and onoki were inferior to him.

No higher praise than to be called God of Shinobi.

Edit: I'm obviously basing this on hype/stats since his feats are limited.

Whilst its true that tobirama and hashirama arguably has counters for ms, why would they teach sarutobi this. Afterall there was no need anymore since there was a treaty between the uchiha and senju. A village has been established. Im not doubting his power and tbh ill admit that he is the favourite, not just because of the hype but because his data book stats speaks for it self. He gets a 5/5 for all forms of ninja art therefore, whilst the only itachi's stats are also very impressive his taijuts stats of 4.5/5 lets him down against sarutobi, but data book stats do not tell the whole story.
Ill challenge the bold part. Firstly in his old age oro couldve defeated him if he was serious. Oro the fool greatly underestimated him. Also although the 1st and 2nd were summoned they were no where near their prime. You could argue they were either high chunnin or low jonin level. Do not for a second believe that what we saw from the edo hokages showed their true powers.

What i will also say is that the 3rd raikage is something else. I believe even if sarutobi was in his prime if he was to win this fight against the 3rd raikage he wouldve had to have pulled out all the stops and maybe even use the death god tech.

What i will also say is that onoki in his old age seems more impressive than sarutobi in his old age.

Btw can you link me to the fan book plz

I go by Hiruzen Clan KKG---The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen Sarutobi was revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru Sarutobi managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age. And i don't go by what oroch says alone;The reason why i believe he could beat Itachi and he has over 1000 jutsu(and master all of leaf highest jutsu) is simple because kishi made alot of his support characters state how Hiruzen was in his prime--you have the monkey stating that sarutobi is nothing like he use to be in his prime, you have the anbu stating that in sarutobi prime he had high chakra and was able to do combos and combine his elements along with spamming the Shuriken clones.
you have eruka-stating that he was a genius etc- you have the 3 elders saying he was the strongest of all 5 kage's, even Kakashi said something how great he was. I don't think kishi would hype it out if he didn't want it to be the case. ( if this was old Hiruzen then maybe itachi could ok, but prime Hurizen is like the first hokage 1/2 of a twin lol if that made sense)

(kishi favored Sarutobi which is why he made him so op, (this has nothing to do with it but even now sarutobi voice's is still used in game and is mention throughout the manga by Kakashi)

(i hope everyone realize that sarutobi mastered the death seal better than the 4th? cuz he sealed the other hokage by using the clones, and the only reason why he ending up sealed cuz he use himself to seal orochi jutsu. if Minato knew of this i think he would have use clones instead of himself, and if he did he might have did it cuz he can't live without his wife.

Im not doubting his calibre as a ninja and i do believe in his prime he can beat anyone. I am doubting that he knows all the techniques in konoha, excluding kg and hidden techniques and ive explained why

 

[Blaze Release]

I think it is pointless as well because there are so many people that because of Hiruzen's nickname, think he is the strongest to ever exist, and that ever will exist.

Hell Nagato was called a God, but he died at the hands of an inexperienced Naruto, and who Bee literally didn't do anything that fight other than get his chakra stolen (he might actually have hurt their chances because of that) and a TBB at the end so that Itachi could win it for them.

EDIT: I wonder what the Hiruzen fans would say about Nagato vs. Hiruzen.

If they answer Hiruzen then you know you have a fanboy.

Sarutobi might be called god of shinobi but he cannot champion a healthy nagato. Thats too much. He would put up a great fight and maybe push nagato to the limits but nagato will take this.

I will vote for sarutobi with high difficulty in his prime because of the hype.
What i will say is that if its against a blood lusted healthy itachi, who we can safely argue that his chakra level would get a boost of 1, therefore going from 2.5 to 3.5 should beat sarutobi with high difficulty

 

[The 7th path]

He absolutely was not alive then. The village was already well under way by the time Hiruzen was born. The fight between Madara and Hashirama happened right after the village was formed, and it was only Uchiha and Senju at that time.

actually he may have been alive durning that time prob very very young but he was most likely alive because he was part of team hashirama and tobirama and both kages were young durning that time

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also hashirama died almost right after konoha was found so his time with sarutobi had to be near or between these events

Narutopedia: Hashirama died shortly after the founding of Konoha in one of the many wars that were raging during this revolutionary era, but not before passing on the title of Hokage to Tobirama.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Too much epic to decide

 

[Blaze Release]

interesting, you can have this win i guess,

I dont get why kishi would give hiruzen exaggerated hype, and back it up in databooks though... meh need to see more of him

Its about time somebody put you in your place. Only a few can though, ill give you that

 

[Uchiha seeker]

yah Kishi made Itachi to OP and then said Hiruzen was the God of Shinobi in his prime

 

[Saw Pipee]

First of all I don't think that the 3rd knew FTG. Even if he did it was not even close to the 4th.

The 3rd does know 1000 jutsu but itachi has the sharingon. Not talking about the MS just the regular one. Its ability is to see and understand all jutsu then allow the user (if he/she is smart enough which Itachi is) to create a counter for it. with that Itachi could take on most anything that the 3rd had to throw at him. His speed and intelligents seem to be about on level with a kage. Though i don't know anything about the 3rds strength or how close their chakra levels would be. Also susanoo is a nici thing to have in your pocket but honestly i think hed do better putting all that energy into other jutsu because it's way too overrated.

The 3rd has over at least 1000 justu so that means something for any situation. He does have the title of GOS and that does count for something. Still I agree that there just isn't enough info on his younger days to say one way or the other.

It would come down to who could last the longest in chakra. 1000 jutsu v.s. sharingon (free counter pass to most all jutsu) and then even in most other ways. It would be ONE HELL OF A FIGHT and I'd love to see it. I chose draw but any who I'm just glad this wasn't about the 4th again lol.

 

[Koibito]

Sarutobi Hiruzen by a land slide, would be a great batt

 

[Uchiha seeker]

First of all I don't think that the 3rd knew FTG. Even if he did it was not even close to the 4th.

The 3rd does know 1000 jutsu but itachi has the sharingon. Not talking about the MS just the regular one. Its ability is to see and understand all jutsu then allow the user (if he/she is smart enough which Itachi is) to create a counter for it. with that Itachi could take on most anything that the 3rd had to throw at him. His speed and intelligents seem to be about on level with a kage. Though i don't know anything about the 3rds strength or how close their chakra levels would be. Also susanoo is a nici thing to have in your pocket but honestly i think hed do better putting all that energy into other jutsu because it's way too overrated.

The 3rd has over at least 1000 justu so that means something for any situation. He does have the title of GOS and that does count for something. Still I agree that there just isn't enough info on his younger days to say one way or the other.

It would come down to who could last the longest in chakra. 1000 jutsu v.s. sharingon (free counter pass to most all jutsu) and then even in most other ways. It would be ONE HELL OF A FIGHT and I'd love to see it. I chose draw but any who I'm just glad this wasn't about the 4th again lol.

lol yeah and i hav to agree with this and Welcome to NB

 

[Amantius]

I think it is pointless as well because there are so many people that because of Hiruzen's nickname, think he is the strongest to ever exist, and that ever will exist.

Hell Nagato was called a God, but he died at the hands of an inexperienced Naruto, and who Bee literally didn't do anything that fight other than get his chakra stolen (he might actually have hurt their chances because of that) and a TBB at the end so that Itachi could win it for them.

EDIT: I wonder what the Hiruzen fans would say about Nagato vs. Hiruzen.

If they answer Hiruzen then you know you have a fanboy.

No, Nagato called himself a god; He reported to Tobi. Hurizen was called a god buy other's. you talk about scenarios if indeed if he use Bringer of Darkness Sharingon become's nothing. i don't see how you can compare Itachi ms abilities to Sasuke and Madara, they are two different people and it has been establish that Sasuke was skilled than his brother when it comes to MS-and between the two Madara ms is far beyond both, he is a legend. The only thing Itachi has over his brother is Gen jutsu and that's about it; It was also shown that Itachi stamina is shit, and he use's MS at the last min which he connot keep on very long-you can go back to every single one of his battles and see that for your self, even if you add a healthy itachi is Stamina to hold out isn't every long which is probably why he focus on Gen Jutsu.( His Amats ability is not like Sasuke either. the thing i don't understand is why you guys skip out on Hiruzen clone ability, if he use's shirken transformations and those clones are destroyed double the amount is made which he can always use one of them for the offering for RDS.( what i am saying is Itachi Sharingon ability is assume, but one's bringer of Darkness is cast, there goes his greatness, and the only reason why he is getting all this hype and ppl skipping over his fatigues is because "while Naruto and bee distracted nagato he was able to sealed him, but one on one that would have been a different story. Kishi as already establish Sharingon can be between by mare Tai jutsu "bee vs Sasuke" Sasuke got floored 2 to 3 times and kept on getting help.( kishi always showed and made it clear to be kage you have to be able and have a good mastery of ninjutsu, gen jutsu, and tai jutsu what i mean is if you can't tell your in a genjutsu at kage level then why are you kage? if you can't cast a ninjutsu, why are you kage? (no offence to lee's fans) if you can't do tai jutsu why are you kage?) what i am saying is If gen jutsu was so easy to cast on a kage by someone who is not of that rank then why has it not been showed that a kage can be trap in gen jutsu? if this was so easy to do i am sure no village would be hard to capture and the uchiha's would have had a easy time taking over.( Sasuke would have trap raikage in gentjusu instead of the other guy.)

 

[Uchiha seeker]

but Itachi can control his MS properly... Sasuke spams his and goes blind.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

NO, Nagato called himself a god, but reported to Tobi, Hurizen was called a god buy other's. you talk about scenarios if indeed if he use Bringer of Darkness Sharingon become's nothing. i don't see how you can compare Itachi ms abilities to Sasuke and Madara, they are two different people and it has been establish that Sasuke was skilled than his brother when it comes to MS-and between the two Madara ms is far beyond both, he is a legend. The only thing Itachi has over his brother is Gen jutsu and that's about it; It was also shown that Itachi stamina is shit, and he use's MS at the last min which he connot keep on very long-you can go back to every single one of his battles and see that for your self, even if you add a healthy itachi is Stamina to hold out isn't every long which is probably why he focus on Gen Jutsu.( His Amats ability is not like Sasuke either. the thing i don't understand is why you guys skip out on Hiruzen clone ability, if he use's shirken transformations and those clones are destroyed double the amount is made which he can always use one of them for the offering for RDS.

I'm going to go ahead and say that I didn't understand any of this. :shrug:
It might have been because you didn't use paragraphs, or it might have been because you kind of jumbled ideas and sentences together.

Either way the death reaper seal can be exploited to take out multiple people, but Hiruzen isn't going to stay alive afterwards. Even if he only takes out one person he will still have his soul sealed for eternity.

 

[Gouryuuka]

I said without FTG. my post earlier said give him those jutsus OTHER than FTG, KG, hidden clan jutsus, and jutsus that would require KG or unique stuff like a toad summons, etc.

Other than that you can let him have all the jutsu.

Owarij's is an ok scenario, but he then says Hiruzen gets around Susanoo. How? By hitting Susanoo in the back? What would that do? If he makes any noise at all Itachi would know where he is and be able to use the Totsuka sword. Don't forget that Itachi doesn't need to be able to see him to be able to put him in a genjutsu, Hiruzen just needs to see him.

I am unsure if I read your conditions wrong. I did read to omit KKG or Hidden Clan Jutsus from the scenario but I didn't read to also omit FTG. However despite in my response concerning my scenario, FTG would be the only thing that would keep Hiruzen alive for a while. Regardless, I believe even if he did have it it wouldn't do much good either way against Susanoo.

Hitting Susanoo in the back would only be effective if he had a jutsu that simulated the caliber of A/Tsuchikage combo. I doubt that a jutsu that could properly emulate that kind of force would be in Hiruzen's disposal. Even so, it would only take a little bit for Itachi to realize where hes at until he is able to deflect with Yata Mirror.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

I am unsure if I read your conditions wrong. I did read to omit KKG or Hidden Clan Jutsus from the scenario but I didn't read to also omit FTG. However despite in my response concerning my scenario, FTG would be the only thing that would keep Hiruzen alive for a while. Regardless, I believe even if he did have it it wouldn't do much good either way against Susanoo.

Hitting Susanoo in the back would only be effective if he had a jutsu that simulated the caliber of A/Tsuchikage combo. I doubt that a jutsu that could properly emulate that kind of force would be in Hiruzen's disposal. Even so, it would only take a little bit for Itachi to realize where hes at until he is able to deflect with Yata Mirror.

I agree. And this whole scenario is only if he knows the bringer of darkness genjutsu, and uses it.

Odds are unlikely that he would.

That is the problem with having too many options, you might be stuck deciding on what would be best to counter with, whereas a person with fewer jutsus would know what they have to use and just try and find a way to make that work.

I've always found that the people with less jutsus are more creative then those with more.

 

[Oldspiceman]

What it will come down to is the fact no one knew itachi had the sword and the yata mirror. Those 2 alone would tip the battle into Itachi's favor. Plus the fact he used susanoo. I say Itachi would win with HUGE difficulty. Plus since this is a talk of primes a healthy itachi would have been able to sustain susanoo a much longer period and in my opinion would have wither down Hiruzen.

 

[Ray Ray Uzumaki]

Do you think he would use the eight gates? Practically everybody knows about the eight gates but no one uses them except Guy and Lee. Lee because he has to, and Guy because he is crazy.

I don't believe that in any lifetime Hiruzen would have ever used the eight gates.

ha ha bold part is very true

 

[Might Who]

If Sasuke would lose to him, Itachi will as well.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

If Sasuke would lose to him, Itachi will as well.

Do you think Hiruzen can beat EMS Sasuke?

Because MS Sasuke still couldn't compare to MS Itachi.

Itachi was faster, smarter, had better genjutsu, had legendary weapons, and didn't whine about how much pain Susanoo caused him.

 

[SandBurialRasengan]

Hiruzen with ease hands down