Hiruzen in his Prime The God Of Shinobis Vs Itachi Uchiha

[The Eye]

never seen him in his prime.
i would have to judge him from his old self.

 

[siyo]

All youve said can easily be countered.
Obviously since he is the hokage and itachi being an anbu would make sarutobi his boss since the anbu report straight him. Him kneeing is a sign of respect and nothing more.

Hiruzen trained under tobirama and hashirama, so what?. That merely shows how old he was. He survived three was, thats impressive but again so what?. Itachi wasnt alive during the first 2 wars and the 3rd war he was a kid. This is what led him to become a pacifist.

Also lol at the highlighted part. Fanbook

I was joking with the picture- merely a symbol for the outcome of the battle .The official fanbooks are also written by Kishi (look it up).

Hashirama and Tobirama successfully fought uchihas for decades and they were both regarded ( at that time) as the best shinibo the leaf had ever produced. How can you say so what? They obviously created counters for the mangekyou sharingan which they then passed down to Hiruzen, along with the rest of their abilities; so naturally, they created a beast in Hiruzen. Itachi didn’t show us anything Madara couldn’t do, which means Hiruzen has the clear advantage in the battle.

Hiruzen was the longest reigning Hokage in history while maintaining Konoha’s position as the number village in the world. Do you the significance of this? Three wars (two as a leader) and he still kept Konoha from being invaded. When Minato died he was reinstated as hokage because he was still the best in the village. He defeated three Kage level fighters in his old age- even though they labeled him pathetic and a far cry from his prime. Oh, not to forget that guys like third raikaga and onoki were inferior to him.

No higher praise than to be called God of Shinobi.

Edit: I'm obviously basing this on hype/stats since his feats are limited.

 

[ImNoOne]

I have no info to make a decision.
Based on what we have seen from the Manga I'd say Itachi makes soup out of Hiruzen, but based on what has been said but never concretized about Hiruzen in his prime I'd have to say Hiruzen would slap Itachi for being a bad boy.
So as you see you can't make an actual prediction without using speculation and false arguments on any side. So I say this thread is pointless.
It would be nice if people would stop making these vs threads about Itachi and characters that we have really never seen in action or have little information in, because all these threads do is to fuel flame wars between fan boys and haters.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Itachi is out of Hiruzen's league!
People just fail to realize it because of all the hype behind his name.
He was praised so much in part 1 because undoubtedly hecwas the strongest shinobi we have seen.
Continuing to part 2 Kishi knew that he had to introduce stronger characters with stronger jutsu even If they conflicted with Hiruzen's place in the ninja world.

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in the world all the way to his death in Part 1.

In Part 2 with the introduction of the 3rd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and Onoki it's safe to say that all three were stronger than Hiruzen when they were alive, these people contradict the statements made about Hiruzen being the strongest Kage alive in part 1.

 

[siyo]

Itachi is out of Hiruzen's league!
People just fail to realize it because of all the hype behind his name.
He was praised so much in part 1 because undoubtedly hecwas the strongest shinobi we have seen.
Continuing to part 2 Kishi knew that he had to introduce stronger characters with stronger jutsu even If they conflicted with Hiruzen's place in the ninja world.

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in the world all the way to his death in Part 1.

In Part 2 with the introduction of the 3rd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and Onoki it's safe to say that all three were stronger than Hiruzen when they were alive, these people contradict the statements made about Hiruzen being the strongest Kage alive in part 1.

Hello, Kishi :|

 

[Owarij]

Itachi is out of Hiruzen's league!
People just fail to realize it because of all the hype behind his name.
He was praised so much in part 1 because undoubtedly hecwas the strongest shinobi we have seen.
Continuing to part 2 Kishi knew that he had to introduce stronger characters with stronger jutsu even If they conflicted with Hiruzen's place in the ninja world.

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in the world all the way to his death in Part 1.

In Part 2 with the introduction of the 3rd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and Onoki it's safe to say that all three were stronger than Hiruzen when they were alive, these people contradict the statements made about Hiruzen being the strongest Kage alive in part 1.

yea cause you're kishi right? making decisions for him? claiming its safe to say they were stronger? total and absolute bs, you don't know what he was capable of.....

 

[StrifeMaccy]

We've never seen Itachi full out, and who knows wether he'd truly reached his full potential, he may of used up his MS as part of his plan to empower Sasuke, wasting his MS on pointless acts like torturing sasuke etc...As we know however, many ninja have stated how strong he is.
I'm going to stick with what Iruka said, that Hiruzen was the strongest kage of his generation, in his prime, i dont see how he was at his old age. But in his prime, im happy to accept and believe that he was a very powerful.

As Itachi was before he fought Sasuke, and prime Hiruzen, i believe Hiruzen would win coming out exhauted, badly injured, maybe even forfeiting an arm or something.
However, if Itachi had the chance to live longer to train, and with a fully working MS, I think the fight would be a deadly stalemate...
StrifeMaccy has spoken (Doesnt that make me sound like an ass )

 

[uchiha i t a c h i]

Hiruzen, but it will be a very difficult battle for him!

 

[Narubro]

hiruzen. i just cant accept the freaking tsukuyomi one shotter

 

[Amantius]

All youve said can easily be countered.
Obviously since he is the hokage and itachi being an anbu would make sarutobi his boss since the anbu report straight him. Him kneeing is a sign of respect and nothing more.

Hiruzen trained under tobirama and hashirama, so what?. That merely shows how old he was. He survived three was, thats impressive but again so what?. Itachi wasnt alive during the first 2 wars and the 3rd war he was a kid. This is what led him to become a pacifist.

Also lol at the highlighted part. Fanbook

I go by Hiruzen Clan KKG---The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen Sarutobi was revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru Sarutobi managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age. And i don't go by what oroch says alone;The reason why i believe he could beat Itachi and he has over 1000 jutsu(and master all of leaf highest jutsu) is simple because kishi made alot of his support characters state how Hiruzen was in his prime--you have the monkey stating that sarutobi is nothing like he use to be in his prime, you have the anbu stating that in sarutobi prime he had high chakra and was able to do combos and combine his elements along with spamming the Shuriken clones.
you have eruka-stating that he was a genius etc- you have the 3 elders saying he was the strongest of all 5 kage's, even Kakashi said something how great he was. I don't think kishi would hype it out if he didn't want it to be the case. ( if this was old Hiruzen then maybe itachi could ok, but prime Hurizen is like the first hokage 1/2 of a twin lol if that made sense)

(kishi favored Sarutobi which is why he made him so op, (this has nothing to do with it but even now sarutobi voice's is still used in game and is mention throughout the manga by Kakashi)

(i hope everyone realize that sarutobi mastered the death seal better than the 4th? cuz he sealed the other hokage by using the clones, and the only reason why he ending up sealed cuz he use himself to seal orochi jutsu. if Minato knew of this i think he would have use clones instead of himself, and if he did he might have did it cuz he can't live without his wife.

 

[lord mizukage]

I was joking with the picture- merely a symbol for the outcome of the battle .The official fanbooks are also written by Kishi (look it up).

Hashirama and Tobirama successfully fought uchihas for decades and they were both regarded ( at that time) as the best shinibo the leaf had ever produced. How can you say so what? They obviously created counters for the mangekyou sharingan which they then passed down to Hiruzen, along with the rest of their abilities; so naturally, they created a beast in Hiruzen. Itachi didn’t show us anything Madara couldn’t do, which means Hiruzen has the clear advantage in the battle.

Hiruzen was the longest reigning Hokage in history while maintaining Konoha’s position as the number village in the world. Do you the significance of this? Three wars (two as a leader) and he still kept Konoha from being invaded. When Minato died he was reinstated as hokage because he was still the best in the village. He defeated three Kage level fighters in his old age- even though they labeled him pathetic and a far cry from his prime. Oh, not to forget that guys like third raikaga and onoki were inferior to him.

No higher praise than to be called God of Shinobi.

Edit: I'm obviously basing this on hype/stats since his feats are limited.

Exactly! now im going to rep you. you have earned my praise with this post. i was incorrect about the info on hiruzen having counters for sharing and ms sharingan and technique coming from the databook. but i've been trying to tell these itachi-nerds this.

now this post right here should keep these itachi-nerds away from this thread once and for all.

Itachi is out of Hiruzen's league!
People just fail to realize it because of all the hype behind his name.
He was praised so much in part 1 because undoubtedly hecwas the strongest shinobi we have seen.
Continuing to part 2 Kishi knew that he had to introduce stronger characters with stronger jutsu even If they conflicted with Hiruzen's place in the ninja world.

Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Kage in the world all the way to his death in Part 1.

In Part 2 with the introduction of the 3rd Mizukage, 3rd Raikage, and Onoki it's safe to say that all three were stronger than Hiruzen when they were alive, these people contradict the statements made about Hiruzen being the strongest Kage alive in part 1.

this is nothing but a absurd opinion.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

The basis that I made earlier with him using FTG was purely through the conditions stated by Itachi Namikaze. It gave the assumption that he knew
how to use FTG, so by complying with the conditions I made the response concerning him using the technique. However, I don't believe that Hiruzen would have FTG at all thus hindering him much more than he was in my arguement. Most of the responses here that concern Hiruzen using FTG would most likely be caused by the conditions of his request stated in the thread.

I said without FTG. my post earlier said give him those jutsus OTHER than FTG, KG, hidden clan jutsus, and jutsus that would require KG or unique stuff like a toad summons, etc.

Other than that you can let him have all the jutsu.

Owarij's is an ok scenario, but he then says Hiruzen gets around Susanoo. How? By hitting Susanoo in the back? What would that do? If he makes any noise at all Itachi would know where he is and be able to use the Totsuka sword. Don't forget that Itachi doesn't need to be able to see him to be able to put him in a genjutsu, Hiruzen just needs to see him.

 

[DivineIllusion]

I have to say Itachi reason:
Everybody is crying, that fanboys give minato abilties he hasnt shown.
But now, you are giving Hiruzen hundreds of techs he hasnt shown.
I m not saying he hasnt got those techs, but knowing a technique and being able to use it are quite different things.
Nearly everbody in konoha knows FTG. How many can use it? Yes three people if they work together!

I admit, that Hiruzens was strong in every section of NInjaarts.

But I dont see him breaking Tsukuyomi, doging Amaterasu...
Maybe he can avoid the eyecontact, but still he has to use his earthwall to protect himself. Are handsigns faster, than Amaterasu?

Hiruzen, mayve been very strong, but some declaimed Minato the strongest Hokage, some are shouting Hashirama and some are shouting Hiruzen. Since they dont fought against each other we cant say.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Ok well if he knew every jutsu in konoha than why didn't he use FTG against Oro during their fight? Jus saiyin!

Dude I am saying that he didn't know it!

I am the one disagreeing with the manga. I think it is blatant exaggeration.

There is no way he could have known FTG. Do you know why?

Because Minato incorporated himself into the design of FTG. FTG is based off of reverse summoning jutsus, so to summon you have to have a contract and all that other stuff and if you are trying to summon a unique summon you have to keep that in mind.

Minato created the seals for FTG. So only he can use it like it is meant to be used.

Minato's three guards that do FTG, well first off it requires three of them, and second they cannot place seals anywhere to travel wherever they want to go like Minato could.

They are using Minato's FTG kunai, and only the things in the circle are being transported. This is different from Minato not having to have anything in his hand to teleport to wherever he has a seal. In reality it is like they are actually doing Minato's space-time barrier.

And the reason they were able to teleport to Tsunade is because she had a tattoo of the seal on her body.

She is not incorporated into the design of FTG, and cannot use it either.


P.S. This is why if Naruto were to try learning FTG, he would have to completely remake the seals allowing for him to use FTG like his father, or perhaps he could improve on it, who knows?

This is also why it is impossible for people to just pick up Minato's kunai and use FTG. It wouldn't work.

No one as of right now except for Minato can do FTG.

 

[Rayder]

Hiruzen.

 

[The 7th path]

well hiruzen prob knew quite a lot about the sharingan he did live through the madara vs 1st hokage fight and his rival (danzo) has like 100 sharingans so he is most likely to have known more about the sharingan then any1 else. he also had some affiliations with the uchiha massacre he may have more info then we all know. i think if he can get by the totsuka sword he would win hands down, especially if it is in his prime. but considering it is itachi he will have a near death match. Hiruzen by a hair

 

[tsunademan]

hiruzen would kill itachi

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

well hiruzen prob knew quite a lot about the sharingan he did live through the madara vs 1st hokage fight and his rival (danzo) has like 100 sharingans so he is most likely to have known more about the sharingan then any1 else. he also had some affiliations with the uchiha massacre he may have more info then we all know. i think if he can get by the totsuka sword he would win hands down, especially if it is in his prime. but considering it is itachi he will have a near death match. Hiruzen by a hair

He absolutely was not alive then. The village was already well under way by the time Hiruzen was born. The fight between Madara and Hashirama happened right after the village was formed, and it was only Uchiha and Senju at that time.

 

[Blaze Release]

Its already been established that sarutobi cannot learn all the techniques in konoha even if you exclude kkg and hidden techniques. Tbh we are all pointlessly debating because nobody knows what moves he has and but also itachi constantly keeps on putting techniques out of no where

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Its already been established that sarutobi cannot learn all the techniques in konoha even if you exclude kkg and hidden techniques. Tbh we are all pointlessly debating because nobody knows what moves he has and but also itachi constantly keeps on putting techniques out of no where

I think it is pointless as well because there are so many people that because of Hiruzen's nickname, think he is the strongest to ever exist, and that ever will exist.

Hell Nagato was called a God, but he died at the hands of an inexperienced Naruto, and who Bee literally didn't do anything that fight other than get his chakra stolen (he might actually have hurt their chances because of that) and a TBB at the end so that Itachi could win it for them.

EDIT: I wonder what the Hiruzen fans would say about Nagato vs. Hiruzen.

If they answer Hiruzen then you know you have a fanboy.